Recommend representantive tracks (&mp3s?) for a one hour "history of dance music" class next week?

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It's not super serious - mostly just an excuse to play records and chat abt them - but any suggestions? Lots of samples of different things will prbly work best rather than playing out 7-minute tracks or something. I suspect I need:

Detroit techno record
Chicago house record
Hi-NRG record maybe?
Hardcore record
'IDM' record
D'n'B record
Jungle record
Eurotrance record
Handbag house record
Grime record
Electroclash record
Electrohouse record
Booty Bass record
Microhouse record
Minimal record

What else? What should these records be?

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 30 July 2006 06:40 (nineteen years ago)

y'all ready for this?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 30 July 2006 07:26 (nineteen years ago)

This might help...

http://www.courses.dce.harvard.edu/~musie145/

― whenuweremine (whenuweremine), Sunday, 30 July 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

that is helpful!

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 30 July 2006 08:08 (nineteen years ago)

Greg dude, you so need a speed garage record, a UK garage record and a proper menko late 80s acid track as well.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 30 July 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

chicago house record HAS to 'baby wants to ride'

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Detroit techno record
Rhythim is Rythim - "Strings of Life"?
Chicago house record
Mr. Fingers - "Can You Feel It?"
Hi-NRG record maybe?
Bobby O - "I'm So Hott 4 U"
Electroclash record
Miss Kitten & the Hacker - "Frank Sinatra", if only for the yuks
Booty Bass record
any DJ Assault would work nicely "Ass N Titties" is always a classic
Microhouse record
Isolee - "Beau Mot Plage"

― Mallory L . O'Donnell (That Bitch Camille), Sunday, 30 July 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

Ignoring any proto-house/techno and disco (not a wise idea in my mind, but hey):

LAME POTTED HISTORY OF ELECTRONIC DANCE MUSIC 1987-2006, PROBABLY MORE THAN ONE CD

Rhythim is Rhythim - "The Beginning"
Mr. Fingers - "Can U Feel It?"
Bam Bam - "Where's Your Child"
Jaydee - "Plastic Dreams"
Bucketheads - "The Bomb"
Ultra Nate - "Free"
House Crew - "Euphoria (Nino's Dream)"
Levitcus - "The Burial"
Adam F - "Metropolis"
Wedlock - "I'm the Fuck You Man"
DJ Deeon - "Let Me Bang"
Daft Punk - "Muzique"
Hardfloor - "Hardtrance Acperience"
Da Hool - "Meet Her At the Love Parade"
Basic Channel - "Radiance"
Resilient - "1.2"
Aphex Twin - "Girl/Boy Song"
DJ Scud and Nomex - "Total Destruction"
Wildchild - "Renegade Master (Fatboy Slim Mix)"
Gant - "Sound Bwoy Burial (187 Lockdown Mix)"
Ramsey and Fen - "Love Bug"
Linda Lamb - "Hot Room"
Vitalic - "Poney Pt. 1"
Luciano and Quennum - "Orange Mistake"
Theo Parrish - Ugly Edit No. 1

Grime is not dance music.

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 30 July 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

i apologize to all the american producers and eagerly await vahid's derision.

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 30 July 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

If you're doing snippets, you can get away with a few more I think. You probably don't want to go too obscure and this is totally rockist and canonical, but I'd go with:

Frankie Knuckles & Jamie Principal - Your Love (ur-Chigaco track)
Derrick May - Strings Of Life (rockist Detroit pick)
A Guy Called Gerald - Voodoo Ray (second summer of love track)
Edge #1 - Cmpnded (boshing hardcore)
The Orb - Blue Room (ambient, plus early 90s crossover dance)
Jeff Mills - The Bells (just... because)
Shy FX & UK Apache - Original Nuttah (rockist oldskool jungle pick)
Omni Trio - Renegade Snares (does this count as intelligent dnb? Awesome either way)
Aphex Twin - Girl Boy (IDM plus drill and bass)
Josh Wink - Higher State Of Consciousness (for 303 mentalism)
187 Lockdown - Gunman (90s garage)
Fatboy Slim - The Rockafeller Skank (big beat plus enormous chart hit)
Stardust - Music Sounds Better With You (French house plus enormous chart hit)
Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Ibiza trance surely needs some representation)
So Solid Crew - 21 Seconds (UK garage plus proto-grime)
Fischerspooner - Emerge (not sure electroclash really merits a mention but still)
Dizzee Rascal - I Luv U (probably the first exposure of many to grime)
Black Strobe - The Abewehr Disco (maximalist electrohouse)
Michael Mayer - Amanda (microhouse plus just fucking gorgeous)
Dominik Eulberg - Bionik (minimal I suppose but still pretty complex)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 30 July 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

haha many of those were possibilities for my ultra-canonical list too

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 30 July 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

the dance music canon is about as yawnsome as the rap and rock ones these days.

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 30 July 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

That was an xpost, haha.

You probably need either Firestarter or Born Slippy or another of the huge ubiquitous mid-90s hits as well.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 30 July 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

Can someone please edit my post so that Waters of Nazareth is right at the end there, just to annoy Ronan?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 30 July 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yawnsomely canonical is exactly what I am looking for really! This is a massive help, thanks Matt/Jess/Mallory.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

i dont have any mp3s of these, but they should be easy enough to find in the usual illegal places.

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

if there's anything you're really having trouble finding, lemme know and i'll see what i can do. (warning, i am notoriously lame about fufilling promises.)

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

Frankie Knuckles & Jamie Principal - Your Love (ur-Chigaco track)

this would be my chicago choice too - although you should probably mention that Frankie Knuckles had no hand in the making of this track.

Gregory, i don't know how you can not start, at the very least, with a disco track. jess's list does, however, allow you to end with one (presuming he means the Made in the USA track on Ugly edits 1, not the Jill Scott one - anyway neither is the best UE).

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

yes it is :-P

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

Got A Match?

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

i think that introducing people to such a lamely canonical list is stupid and insulting but whatever

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

on the other hand, i dont think the "average student," especially in the u.s., would know more than a handful (if that) of my tracks.

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

if there's time for a 13-minute closer, I'd suggest Orbital's Out There Somewhere? Pt.2

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

i tried to make a list to give my criticism some weight but even when juggling categories in and out i really only know four or five of them beyond the obvious canonical choices to come up with anything useful

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

but i still think you should play these songs for them:

black devil - we never fly away again
azoto - anytime or place
basic channel - octagon / octaedre
baby's gang - challenger
jamie principle - baby wants to ride (i prefer this to 'your love' because of the rants and when he says "make love, don't fight / i wanna fuck tonight" - it's such a perfect encapsulation of what i see as chicago house (not having been there). also fuck any pretense of finding the ur- song or text)
danielle baldelli - cosmic mixtape #79 (i guess you would only play select parts of this)
luomo - the right wing

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

proto-italo disco?
italo
minimal techno
italo? i don't really know
chicago house
cosmic disco
microhouse

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

also fuck any pretense of finding the ur- song or text

or rather, fuck the usefulness of such a search or discovery

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

Suggestions which i think would fill in some blanks:

Underground Solution - Luv Dancin'
N-Trance - Set You Free
Hocus Pocus - Here's Johnny

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

pop-house:
seduction - (you're my one and only) true love (new york house mix #1)

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

i think the problem is "one hour class." we cant be leading him down every byway of electronic dance.

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

then he should choose interesting intersections, where he can point out different sub-genres rubbing up against each other - not daft punk and stardust (as much as i love stardust

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks again!

(The class is for kids 10-16 at a summercamp FWIW)

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

my heart emoticon disappeared into the html tag ether

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

cool summercamp job dude!!

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

and in that case i would avoid basic channel

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

and, sadly, 'baby wants to ride'

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

"then he should choose interesting intersections, where he can point out different sub-genres rubbing up against each other - not daft punk and stardust (as much as i love stardust"

I dunno, I don't think intersections really present themselves as such as you can't identify either road leading into them.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe a double negative there? Anyway: Rotterdam Termination Source "Poing"

― blunt (blunt), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

hmm that may have been a hasty thought on my part - i guess you can only see the roads when the music is crap pastiche

i was really just trying to steer him away from the strings of life, your love, jeff mills path

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

If I suggested The Prodigy's Out Of Space would I leave with my balls intact?

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

The problem with being consciously canonical or anti-canonical is that to the totally untrained ear it doesn't really matter. You could play them any track off a house mix and say "this is house", and likewise for any other genre.

At least if you're being canonical you can pretend to make it matter by saying "not only will you have to take my word that this is house music, but it's historically important too!"

x-post actually "Out Of Space" is an excellent inclusion, and the 10 yr olds will love it as much as the 16 yr olds.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

At least if you're being canonical you can pretend to make it matter by saying "not only will you have to take my word that this is house music, but it's historically important too!"

i don't see how this matters, either, especially to this age group.

but, you know, for the one child in every class whose mind is blown and becomes a dj or producer or just loves going out and dancing, gravel's choice to ignore the canon will give them a much more interesting perspective. they will find the canon eventually, i'm sure.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

well, it was either that or 'Break And Enter', and economy won the day. Although I regard 'Narayan' as their best song...

xpost

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Sunday, 30 July 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

i could not resist trying this.

numbers - kraftwerk
everybody dance - chic
i feel love - donna summer
one nation under a groove - funkadelic
planet rock - afika bambaataa and soulsonic force
jam on it - newcleus
blue monday - new order
controversy - prince
no u.f.o's - model 500
strings of life - rhythim is rhythim
throw - paperclip people
good life (or big fun) - inner city
house nation - farley jackmaster funk
acid trax - phuture
percolator - cajmere
plastic dreams - jaydee
little fluffy clouds - the orb
what time is love - the klf
renegade snares - omni trio
energy flash - joey beltram
belfast - orbital
spastik - plastikman
hardtrance acperience - hardfloor
shadowboxing - doc scott
the vamp - outlander
go - moby
sugar is sweeter (armand van helden remix) - cj bolland
my beat - blaze
going round - herbert
teachers - daft punk
music sounds better with you - stardust
beau mot plage - isolee
lullaby - morgan geist
bushes - markus nicolai
nightclubbing at home - m.r.i.
one, two, three no gravity - closer musik
waiworinaro - villalobos
deck the house - akufen
pleasure from the bass - tiga
emerge - fischerspooner
mandarine girl - booka shade
i feel space - lindstrom and prins thomas

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Monday, 31 July 2006 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

BTW that list is almost chronological and pretty much covers all of the bases although there are some rather wide holes any scholar will notice pretty quickly. i also made it thinking of the audience.

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Monday, 31 July 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

"i don't see how this matters, either, especially to this age group."

It doesn't really, I had a momentary lapse of cynicism w/r/t the whole project.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 31 July 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

BTW that list is almost chronological and pretty much covers all of the bases although there are some rather wide holes any scholar will notice pretty quickly. i also made it thinking of the audience.

And still the most OTM of the bunch.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 31 July 2006 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

a bit tasteful though - it's easy to forget how important rave / hardcore was (and I mean the dumbed down UK stuff). you could drop the last 4 (as much as I like em) too.

― paulhw (paulhw), Monday, 31 July 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

I wish that someone had done this for me. Instead, Eppy made me glorious mixtapes... that sadly had little dance music on them. But lots of wonderful stuff.

Anyway, I think that it is a mistake to stay away from disco-- play them something interesting, that they haven't heard in some stupid Burger King commercial.

Also, YOU CAN'T SPELL 'DRUM AND BASS' WITHOUT 'DUMB ASS.' Get that shit outta there. (That is admittedly a very personal bias).

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 31 July 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

Which summercamp? (You can googleproof your answer if you want.) I regularly did a "music appreciation" activity when I worked at a camp run out of Johns Hopkins and my biggest success was with Wesley Willis (as an occasional ilxor will remember).

― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

Eppy: I was the kid who snuck you into the tutu room by putting a stone against one of the back doors of McEwen. I thought we had already been over this? Anyway, I should call you next time I am in New York.

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

I REALIZED THAT YOU WERE NOT TALKING TO ME I AM SO SORRY ABOUT REVEALING THE TUTU ROOM TO THE WORLD.

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

remind me to punch you in the face if i ever meet you, re. drum and bass

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

haha sorry, i dont mean that obviously

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

okay maybe a little

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

Italo tracks:
Amin Peck
Delanua

And you should just give them the 'Etno Cosmic' Baldelli mix. Or at least give the kids a nice big page of links that can help them out if they want to hear more.

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

y'all need to fuck off with your fucking indie beardo dance taste!! matt dc was OTFM with cafe del mar for chrissakes.

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

"give the 10 year-olds baldelli." gah!!!

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

It's okay. I often want to punch others in the face when their tastes collide with mine. Then I just breathe a little, and say under my breath, 'We all hear differently. We all hear differently.' Sometimes I wish I had ruby slippers so I could click my heels together and be whisked away to a land where everyone understood each others' ears.

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

"eat your spinach. it builds character."

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

dag, you nasty

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah much better to give the kids KLF than Baldelli WTF jesus jess

I WANNA SEE YOU SWEAT I WANNA SEE YOU SWEAT I WANNA SEE YOU SWEAT is not appropriate for that age group

although i am interested in your beef with baldelli

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 31 July 2006 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

WTF?! I assumed this was for US or Canadian students or something. In which case the more canonical the better. They'll have never heard most of them before except maybe the Fatboy records and even if they're tired and played-out selections TO US they'd still pretty much blow the mind of anyone who was interested on the first listen. And they might be able to like, actually track them down afterwards.

Greg, how are you going to do this without telling the 10-16 year old kids about ecstacy?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 31 July 2006 07:32 (nineteen years ago)

How anyone on ILM can resist threads like this is beyond me.

― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Monday, 31 July 2006 07:39 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the Harvard link 2 posts in pretty much nailed it.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 31 July 2006 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, maybe I forgot that we had been over it. But yeah, the only thing even close to dance I put on mixtapes was Kid606. I always assumed no one would like it.

― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 31 July 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm with Konal on this one. I'm a n00b to dance & non-rap DJ-based music in general, so that Harvard link was helpful as fuck. I feel like I'm taking an online course in the shit now.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

haha i have no beef with baldelli! but i wouldn't start the little nippers off with a eight hour junior vasquez set or the complete sahko back catalog either.

― david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 July 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

You mean, dance music started in 1985?

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 31 July 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Detroit techno record
Night Drive Through Babylon by M500.

Chicago house record:
Acid House: Losing Control by Sleazy D
Vocal House: Shadows of Your Love by JM Silk
Deep House: Can U Feel It by Mr. Fingers

'IDM' record
Alberto Balsalm by Aphex Twin

Booty Bass record
Detroit:Playerhaters In Dis House by DJ Godfather
Chicago: Work That Body By DJ Funk

Minimal record
Kuvio3 by Ohm

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

I would like to make an earnest effort at this:

Detroit techno record - Underground Resistance - Hi Tech Jazz
Chicago house record - Frankie Knuckles - Tears
Hi-NRG record maybe? - Artemesia - Bits'n'Pieces (more nu- NRG, terrible music, generally speaking)
Hardcore record - Acen - Close Your Eyes (xxx mix) - unparalleled
'IDM' record - Autechre - Basscadet (Beaumont Hannant Wontmix)
D'n'B record - LTJ Bukem - Horizons
Jungle record - The Dubster - Retreat
Eurotrance record - Nalin and Kane - Beachball
Handbag house record - Outrage - Tall and Handsome
Grime record - Dizzee Rascal - Fix Up Look Sharp
Electroclash record - Christopher Just - I'm a Disco Dancer
Electrohouse record - DJ T - Time Out
Booty Bass record - 2 Live Cru - Me So Horny
Microhouse record - Isolee - Beau mot Plage
Minimal record - There's no way this merits a sub genre

― [email protected] (the_article_don), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

Yawnsomely canonical is exactly what I am looking for really!

(The class is for kids 10-16 at a summercamp FWIW)

uh-oh

― ferzaffe (flezaffe), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

You mean, dance music started in 1985?
-- Geir Hongro

Thank you Geir! (somebody had to say it.)

― Monty Von Byonga (Monty Von Byonga), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

No they didn't.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

Clearly you need a cut-off point for this sort of thing and the emergence of TB303-based music as the starting point is probably fair enough otherwise the poor kids will be there for days on end.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

M/A/R/S/S - Pump Up the Volume

LFO - LFO
Prodigy - Out Of Space
Underground Resistance - Seawolf
Aphex Twin - Windowlicker
M Beat feat General Levy - Incredible
Andy C - Body Rock
Nathan Fake - The Sky Was Pink (James Holden Mix)

Just a few I think are important.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

(The camp's called L1fe-Tech Ventures, Eppy, it's in Massechussets)

I think my plan at the moment really is to talk for like 30 seconds abt each genre "and then they found THIS sound!" and then play like 1.5 minute samples? I really don't think it makes much difference whether stuff is canonical or not - I'd like it to be genuinely representative, though, for correctnesses sake (obviously some really influential records would only have to representative of themselves), and I'll have to find this stuff remember (on a 56k dial-up modem :((( ).

Matt re: ecstacy - I'm not going to bring it up rly? If a kid asks I will just answer pretty honestly? I dunno, that seems a valid policy, it's a pretty liberal camp.

"Usual places" = s1sk right? I am very out of touch :(

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

I Feel Love is, I think, the necessary choice as far as electronic dance music. It's just a perfect song. I also think it was ILM's number 1 single of the 70s.

― ivan tasev (Ivan T), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

How about this: give all of them a copy (or offer to make copies) of the first of 'Detroit Classics & Techno Diamonds'? That would make sense, at least for an intro.

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

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