Who has the worst taste in music: The Dave Matthews Kid or the Emo Kid?

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― Colin Cassidy (Colin Cassidy), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 02:45 (nineteen years ago)

louis jagger

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

The Dave Matthews kid. First of all, he's more likely to listen to allied artists, like Jack Johnson and John Mayer. The emo kid might listen to some cool music - maybe he discovered Sunny Day Real Estate or Fugazi or Rites of Spring by chance. And (in my experience) the emo kid is more receptive to cool music.

― Nathan P1p (hoyanathan), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

hey, I like Dave Matthews and Fugazi. SDRE is pretty shitty, but maybe not as shitty as John Mayer.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

and come on, how many 'emo kids' in present-day usage have even heard of fugazi?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

also the Dave Matthews kid is more likely to listen to allied artists like Vusi Masithela and Neil Young

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

they are more likey to listen to matisyahu

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

oh it's hip-hop but i can listen to it because it's a post-modern hassidic-rastafari pastiche trainwreck with boring production

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

The Dave Matthews Kid has better taste. My two DMB-appreciating friends liked (in one case): Frank Sinatra, D'Angelo (and some other nu-soul), salsa (and related Latin music), and assorted pop/R&B/lighter hip-hop. In another case: indie/alternative (for instance Beck and Interpol), salsa (and related Latin music), hip-hop, and I forget what else.

(Okay, they weren't really DMB kids, they weren't hardcore fans, and they were both girls, so that might make a difference.)

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

Dave Matthews Kid: listens to DMB (ugh), 311 (ugh), Red Hot Chili Peppers (ugh), Incubus (ugh), Sublime (ugh), Jack Johnson/John Mayer/James Blunt (ugh/ugh/ugh)

Emo Kid: I still don't know what exactly this entails, but if it's emo-indie kind of music like Postal Service that's really dismal but still head and shoulders above the DMB kid. Also he probably dresses better.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

Like really are Jimmy Eat World considered emo? Because ppl keep saying that and that keeps making me wonder if people consider random power pop bands "emo"

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

Dave Matthews Kid: listens to DMB (ugh), 311 (ugh), Red Hot Chili Peppers (ugh), Incubus (ugh), Sublime (ugh), Jack Johnson/John Mayer/James Blunt (ugh/ugh/ugh)

me: yes, no but i didn't totally hate them, not anymore, no, haven't gotten around to it yet, no/no/no

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

Curt1s it currently means stuff like My Chemical Romance, Panic! At The Disco, 30 Seconds to Mars, Angels and Airwaves, Hawthorne Hights etc. etc.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:54 (nineteen years ago)

gabbneb i'm not sure what universe you're living in where dave matthews fans don't listen to jack johnson or john mayer

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:56 (nineteen years ago)

there are millions of dave matthews fans; how do you presume to know what they listen to? especially if you don't like people who listen to dave matthews? sure, lots of fans probably listen to them. lots of fans come from the jamband world they shared before they went mass appeal (and lots of jamband fans would never listen to jack johnson or john mayer, fyi). and i'll bet there are a lot of fans who listen to what's considered 'emo' today, and probably more than a few who listen to what used to be considered emo.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

SDRE is pretty shitty, but maybe not as shitty as John Mayer.

i meant John Mayer is less shitty than SDRE (but i dunno; SDRE's the only one i own anything by)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

(lots of jamband fans don't like dmb either, of course)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

Settle down, man. This is ILM.

I'm going with Dave Matthews dude. Emo Kid is just going with what his friends listen to probably. And there are some great gateway bands he can get into.

― Bunyip (Bunyip), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

So basically, Grateful Dead vs. Nirvana

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 04:08 (nineteen years ago)

I think the emo kid has the slight advantage in this situation, as much as I fucking hate emo music. However, if you pit the DMB kid up against a metal-core kid, the gap becomes even smaller.

― Johnathan Redgers (Pearl Hooch), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 04:29 (nineteen years ago)

No. I mean sure Grateful Dead IS a jam band, but they can lead to psychedelic rock and folk.

― Bunyip (Bunyip), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

The DMB kid easily. DMB has some great songs, more than basically the entire emo catalog combined (given that we're taking a narrow view of "emo.") Plus the DMB kid is more likely to be into some other bands like the Dead that are also quite good.

― graf cycliz (graf cycliz), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

I was just thinking about starting a thread about "OK guys, I hate to admit it, but Crash Into Me is actually a pretty good song"

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

you guys are aware that actual serious dave matthews fans don't sit around listening to 'crash into me', right? like, if you go to a dmb concert, that's really not what you're looking forward to hearing, and they almost never play it?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

Well that's pretty stupid - it's the only good song they've written that I've ever heard.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

Have you ever heard Everyday/#36? Or Granny? Or Warehouse? Or Lie In Our Graves?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

Crash Into Me is ok but it totally rips off part of "And You And I" by Yes and I'd rather listen to that anyway.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

xpost No.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 05:52 (nineteen years ago)

Why are emo kids so bad and hated?

― cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 07:00 (nineteen years ago)

If I were over at DMB kid's house listening to cds, I'd be able to digest the Counting Crows or John Mayer or Grateful Dead or whatever he/she chose to put on. I might not like some of it, but I doubt anything would be vile enough to send me running away.

If I were over at emo kid's house listening to cds, I don't think I'd last 10 minutes. "Hey, have you got anything around here I can kill myself with? Thanks!"

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

The hip-hop-kid.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 07:43 (nineteen years ago)

hey, i know, why don't we look at what some actual dave matthews fans like (by checking out the lists that dudes on the albums' amazon pages make)?

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well ok, this one is yr wet dream dave matthews dude, missing only adam duritz. this one's pretty close, too. she's not far off either.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

Seems like a lot of what they are listening to is lots and lots better than DMB. I mean, DMB are on to something, if they had just gotten rid of that grunge vocal style and those oh-so-annoying American accents. Coldplay is top notch quality material after all.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

DMB fans also have a way of getting really obnoxiously defensive about their music (insecure much?), so score one more for the emo kid.

― Nathan P1p (hoyanathan), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, DMB are on to something, if they had just gotten rid of that grunge vocal style and those oh-so-annoying American accents

Pardon us for being proud of our country, you commie bastard.

Never thought of DMB's grunginess, but that does explain why the DM track closing out 21 Grams (the movie) sounded like Edward Von Vedderkins.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

It's just a battle between two strawmen anyway.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

DMB fans also have a way of getting really obnoxiously defensive about their music (insecure much?), so score one more for the emo kid.

Emo fans have a way of getting obnoxiously defensive.

― Rico was an artist too (nemoaimone), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

Klezmer fans, OTOH, have a way of getting funky.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

The Emo Kidz cry more so they lose. DMB people smell worse, though.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

dud thread

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

We're on like the 4th completely different definition of "emo" now by my count.

― Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

gabbneb you do realize that jack johnson and john mayer got their start on literally the SAME circuit as dave matthews right??? if you can name five clubs dave matthews played regularly 16 years ago that were still open three years ago and john mayer didn't play it i'll eat my hat. HE FILMED HIS FIRST VIDEO AT THE GEORGIA THEATER FOR FUCK'S SAKE. plz to get a clue and not pretend that actually very few dave amtthews fans have ever been greeks, really they've all been latte sipping sophisticates. PLZ.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think Gabbneb just said that he didn't listen to those other guys, didn't he?

― mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

this one seems like a draw to me.

― spastic heritage (spastic heritage), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

gabbneb you do realize that jack johnson and john mayer got their start on literally the SAME circuit as dave matthews right??? if you can name five clubs dave matthews played regularly 16 years ago that were still open three years ago and john mayer didn't play it i'll eat my hat.

right. i don't care to find out where john mayer and jack johnson played, but that link i provided above has historical dmb show info so you can research for yourself. from my perspective, dmb got their start playing regularly at Flood Zone and Trax in C-Ville, plus the odd trip up to Wetlands in NYC - they spread more by building a loyal local following (same way hootie did) and playing in just the right place to reach a certain national audience - i.e. they spread by word of mouth initially. if they in fact played the same clubs as john mayer and jack johnson (which are probably, you know, the same clubs any touring band with a moderate national presence plays on the way up), it was only for a few months while their debut album (plus their catalytic guest opening for the Dead in Vegas May 95) shot them up to the top.

and maybe they shot their video at the georgia theater cuz it's, like, a nice theater? they'd only played atlanta 3 times before their Dead opener. they'd played VA 100s of times.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

and i'm not defensive about dmb, georgetown dude, cuz i don't go to music to feel cool, and even if i did, dmb wouldn't be where i'd look for that. i just like to educate the ignorant/prejudiced.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

and sorry i bring actual evidence to the table

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

people over 18: plz stop trying to make yrself feel better by dissing the strawman music of vast swathes of imaginary "kids"

― katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, DMB are on to something, if they had just gotten rid of that grunge vocal style and those oh-so-annoying American accents

Who wants to remind Geir that Dave Matthews was born in South Africa and still really doesn't have what anyone would call an "American" accent.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

um gabbneb georgia theater is neither a 'nice theater' nor in atlanta. maybe in yr universe it is but on earth-prime? nope. john mayer/jack johnson : dave matthews :: solomon burke : james brown - SAME AUDIENCE, SAME VENUES (VERY NEARLY SAME MUSIC)

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

some other bands like the Dead that are also quite good.
some other bands like the Dead that are also quite good.
some other bands like the Dead that are also quite good.
some other bands like the Dead that are also quite good.

wha fuckin planet you on?

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

nope. john mayer/jack johnson : dave matthews :: solomon burke : james brown - SAME AUDIENCE, SAME VENUES (VERY NEARLY SAME MUSIC)

JB has same music as DMB????

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, blount, that argument's totally ridiculous. but if you want to take it seriousl, it means hat today dmb has the same music as just about every other major touring act - u2, madonna, bon jovi, faith/tim, stones, etc.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

people over 18: plz stop trying to make yrself feel better by dissing the strawman music of vast swathes of imaginary "kids"

a good point that makes me instantly regret the sentence i posted. (but i regret nearly every post i've ever made on ilm, so whatever.)

― spastic heritage (spastic heritage), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

To address two different people's points at once:

people over 18: plz stop trying to make yrself feel better by dissing the strawman music of vast swathes of imaginary "kids"

hey, i know, why don't we look at what some actual dave matthews fans like (by checking out the lists that dudes on the albums' amazon pages make)?

I am 18 & all the people (these are "kids" btw - high school/college age) I know who listen to DMB listen to music in the vein of the bands that I listed. Like, seriously.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 20 September 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

GOOGLEBAIT AHOY!

― John Justen,a ninja slapboxing fajitas out of J. Casablancas dental dam. (johnju, Wednesday, 20 September 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

To answer the question, both are gateway drugs to bad, but the ICP kid wins.

― John Justen,a ninja slapboxing fajitas out of J. Casablancas dental dam. (johnju, Wednesday, 20 September 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

My experience, like I said, has been the similar to yours, Curt1s. Gateway drugs indeed.

― Nathan P1p (hoyanathan), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

as bland as a tofu sandwich

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Equally terribe in their own special ways. Stoned opinionated dimwit versus whiny self-absorbed dimwit.

ICP kids now, very OTM. The idea of an army of amped up Faygo swilling backyard wrestling Bubbas keeps me awake at nights.

― paid in cigarettes (paid in cigarettes), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

My two cents would be that, all other factors being equal, the emo kid is likely to have started as an emo kid, whereas the DMB kid has probably arrived at his DMB-tude. Hence, he's worse.

― Erroneous Botch (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

Stoned opinionated dimwit versus whiny self-absorbed dimwit

so basically every single person on ILM then?

― mango selassie (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

(i'm probably more in the former camp but it's pretty close)

― mango selassie (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

ICP is the coolest. it's so awesome that they exist.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

My two cents would be that, all other factors being equal, the emo kid is likely to have started as an emo kid, whereas the DMB kid has probably arrived at his DMB-tude. Hence, he's worse.

This is probably true.

DMB also = uber-bland. Emo = terrible in its own way but also genuinely interesting at times.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

DMB fans taste better, they're all grainfed on high-end hippy food and leaned up from all that hackysacking and kayaking and stuff. Emo kids are the McRib of the music fan cannibalism world.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Damnit, by the time I posted that I forgot that it said "in music" in the thread title.

Retarded thread - 1.
Joeks - 0.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 20 September 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

What is the point in this thread? All people do is make worthless generalizations on the people who listen to music. That being said, DMB kid has WAY better taste than emo kid. Anyone who says DMB is bland needs to listen to Before These Crowded Streets...

― Johnny Sealy (Johnnyboy), Thursday, 21 September 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

The DMB kid is worse because:

a) He's a horrible excuse for a kid. Please wait until you are at least legal age to get into boring MOR schlock.

b) The emo kid will probably grow out of it. DMB kid will like the same music when he's a 40.

― Rodney doesn't like polka. He is racist. (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 21 September 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno i was a dmb kid and you know got into other music

the strangest thing about this thread is that i imagine the dmb kids largely have graduated college by now and are managing the middle of something

― William Ryan Stuart Hamilton (Stagger Lee), Thursday, 21 September 2006 05:45 (nineteen years ago)

The DMB kid should have listened to Coldplay, Travis and The Feeling instead. Kind of related, but less annoyingly American and musically a lot better.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 21 September 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

most of my friends who listened to dmb in college, back before and during and immediately after they first blew up, now listen mostly to shitty indie rock

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

wait, is it the 90s again? sheesh

― marc h. (marc h.), Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

emo kid has worse taste in music. as a stupid young boy i actually did enjoy dave matthews for a little bit. i was never too stupid to like emo music though.

― Francisco Monar (fmonar), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

Well, at least even shitty indie music is better than good contemporary R&B.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

is this the real geir or the fake? i can't keep track anymore.....

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

paul edward wagemann

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

― mango selassie (teenagequiet), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Back in "The Day," emo also implied some wonderful stuff like J Church. 'course, (a) this was 15 years ago and (b) even J Church hated being called emo.

― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Thursday, 21 September 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

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