what is the deepest black sabbath song?

--AFTER FOREVER, DUDES!

go and listen to those hidden backwards messages and then kill yourself, please.

well, there is "solitude."

Am I right in thinking that the Sabbath albums have been reissued on CD many times over the past decade, and if so, is there one edition that's better than all the others?

I'll nominate Lord of this World for this thread.
Glad to see some love for Solitude, though, a real forgotten classic!

I think Geezer Butler wrote the lyrics for the first three albums.

i don't understand this comment ... i think "planet caravan" is real nice but

1) the sentiments in it aren't any better than your low-to-average hawkwind song (space is deep)

2) it's a slow jam. are there ANY bands from the 70s that had a higher slow jam ratio than 1 or 2 per album?

2a) if you want more slow jams maybe you should listen to folk music??

3) it's not any better in the context of "album slow jam" than FX / laguna sunrise

Sitting in the back seat of a shiny limousine
Living in a taxi can't remember where I've been
Playing my music, sitting in my hotel room
Writing about the stars and thinking about the hand of doom
Nobody I know is gonna take my rock 'n roll away from me

Living life comes easy if you know which way you're going
Got to see yourself in others' eye's, surprised?
Living like I want to don't come easy, but I'm trying
Sorting out what's true and what are lies, it's wise

Brought up in a back street living with the salt of the land
Seems that now my music's paying off my tax demands
So listen to the music, want to see you get so high
'Cos I'm a back street rocker and I will be till the day I die
Nobody I know is gonna take my rock 'n roll away from me

You're starting to catch on, good job kid.

I like his first album, although right now I'm listening to the song "Black Sabbath" from his compilation entitled...I mean you know, it's a demo of that song...where is my damn CD case???
Okay it's called the Ozzman Cometh.

And my fave song on it was "Mama, I'm coming Home" but aside from that, the early version of "Black Sabbath" pounding in my ears with a raw fervor is pretty fucking cool too.

Way late, but I don't care exactly who wrote the lyrics. I think the basic point still stands.

What about A National Acrobat? I have absolutely no idea what that song is supposed to be about, but the words I've been able to pick out - "the unborn child that never was conceived", "destruction of the empty spaces is my one and only crime", etc. - have always stuck me as outrageously creepy. Which I guess could double for 'deep', right? Right?

Of course, the answer is "Supertzar." Iommi and what sounds like a chorus of the last Tzar's security detail. Very bizarre and poignant…

"Acrobat" has something to do with abortion. I know Geezer (at that point at least) was pretty into Catholicism, it probably had an impact on the tune. And the sleeve on "Master of Reality" is wrong, according to recent interviews, Geezer says he wrote the words to "After Forever".

When I first met you, didn't realize
I can't forget you, for your surprise
you introduced me, to my mind
And left me wanting, you and your kind

I love you, Oh you know it

My life was empty, forever on a down
Until you took me, showed me around
My life is free now, my life is clear
I love you sweet leaf, though you can't hear

Come on now, try it out

Straight people don't know, what you're about
They put you down and shut you out
you gave to me a new belief
and soon the world will love you sweet leaf

Anyone heard this http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=39008 ?

'you gave to me a new belief'

time to cut down the habit if things get that excessive

"Junior's Eyes"

Nice choice.

"Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" is back in my life again. So gut-wrenching.

It seems at face value to be a Satanist song, but I read elsewhere that it's actually a history of the band? Any truth to that? For some reason I also thought Ozzy was actually claiming to be a Christian back then. Maybe I just made that up.

cornucopia

planet caravan is so dope

I thought SBS was some sort of revenge deal. I have no idea what Cornucopia is about.

they don't know what he hides

not the "deepest" but "sign of the southern cross" is pretty deep

For me, Planet Caravan, followed by Solitude

but it's a "slow jam"!

not really 'deep' but I like the lyrics to "Hole in the Sky"

What is the blackest Deep Purple song?

Bloodsucker

Brilliant post.

xpost

mods pls 86 that post for sanctity of the thread

Please 86 the poster while you're at it

:D

Last time a Sabbath song came on my shuffle, I lasted until some poor fucker rhymed 'masses' with 'masses' and I skipped out of sheer embarrassment

nice to chat with the only human being in the world that likes electric wizard but not black sabbath o_O

I lasted until some poor fucker rhymed 'masses' with 'masses'

^ a heinous sin and certainly a great reason to disregard the entirety of a band's catalog

otm, how EMBARRASSING

lj do you keep a file somewhere with clippings of your past embarrassments to remind you of how far you've come, and if not, may i make a suggestion

Last time a Sabbath song came on my shuffle, I lasted until some poor fucker rhymed 'masses' with 'masses' and I skipped out of sheer embarrassment

What a disaster for Black Sabbath.

FPing Jagger for his sins
Gottpunch, laughing, spreads his zings

I mean, I love "War Pigs" but "masses/masses" is admittedly a bit weak tbf.

Yea but LJ is like the 93,087,456th person to point it out. Tho perhaps the first to conjoin that statement w/ "and thus i turned it off"

oh come on now, the entirety of that lyric sequence makes any dig at "masses/masses" totally pointless and stupid

That too.

"masses" and "masses" is actually a good rhyme given that it's two different uses of the same word

talking shit about war pigs, man. about WAR fuckin PIGS.

what a world

Electric Wizard would bitchslap thee if they knew.

lol @ imago gettin tripped up at the 'black masses' line; you do realize that was the name of EW's last album, right?

"War Pigs" is mighty and undeserving of your condescension, but if I were recommending Sabbath albums to you, I would probably go with Vol. 4 instead of Paranoid because a) it's one of my favorite albums of all time, b) it's one of the great rock records of all time, a fact that ILM has repeatedly affirmed, and c) Supernaut -> Snowblind -> Cornucopia has to be one of the great sequences of classic rock, each song bringing the expansiveness that is their essence into a new context: Supernaut's space-rock bolero, Snowblind's cocaine-fed dysphoria, Cornucopia's enigmatic maze of riffs and almost hallucinatory imagery("too much inner truth they say...")

if only Ozzy could match the poetic skills of Justin 'Jus' Osborn.

I mean, I love "War Pigs" but "masses/masses" is admittedly a bit weak tbf.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is like dismissing Yeats for having a sloppy guitar solo on a live album.

listening to Celtic Frost's very peculiar To Mega Therion for the first time, I submit my fave Sab recording: "super-tzar."

easily the most eccentric thing they ever done, it's like my secret sabbath tune…probly only tony and bill are present,; he's accompanied by a bunch of men singing wordless chorales alongside a chamber ensemble of some shit…

at the sabbath shows I went to in the 90s early 00s, this tune would be the fanfare to them taking the stage…really quite magical…

Cornucopia > Megalomania

fwiw

i just listened to the album 'sabbath bloody sabbath' in its entirety and found it to be a rather lovely rock album in the main. standouts 'a national acrobat', 'killing yourself to live' and above all 'spiral architect' which is dare i say beautiful.

not really 'heavy' in the same way EW is but then it isn't trying to be

looool reading up on that album, of course it'd be the one I like

aero otm, the word being in two different senses saves it. this is actually one of my favorite opening lines ever tbh. the special kind of laughter that's both at and with.

i just sang it twice cuz i thought of it.

"Bad news on the doorstep. I couldn't take one more step." has bothered me for years so I get imago's grip

i really need SBS on vinyl, even the remastered CD in the black box sounds all digital harsh and brittle

yeah I'm listening to it all again and it's so much better, to me, than the first couple of albums. feels like they discovered prog rock or something

listening to Celtic Frost's very peculiar To Mega Therion for the first time, I submit my fave Sab recording: "super-tzar."

easily the most eccentric thing they ever done, it's like my secret sabbath tune…probly only tony and bill are present,; he's accompanied by a bunch of men singing wordless chorales alongside a chamber ensemble of some shit…

at the sabbath shows I went to in the 90s early 00s, this tune would be the fanfare to them taking the stage…really quite magical…

― veronica moser, Friday, April 18, 2014 2:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thanks for highlighting this! It's one of my favourite moments from my favourite Sabbath album.

imago I feel like your attitude towards Sabbath is not wholly dissimilar to any prog fan's in the 70s (w the backpedalling on SBS a concession to Eternity)

That being said, Supertzar might totally be Iin your wheel house

I remember playing the Supertzar riff for my guitar playing friend - he got so angry that he pulled the cord out of my amp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ska3C80ysk&feature=kp

^for easy reference

The laughs and anguish at the beginning of the Writ

i said this on the other thread but re: "thin 70s production" if you're trying to "get into" or "grapple with" black sabbath it's important to hear the records on vinyl, maybe cd, not earbuds on your spotify.

^^^i put this to my gf (a sabbath fan) and she wholeheartedly agreed and promised to give me the sabbath/doob/darkness/vinyl experience once she returned from the usa

she also chided me for being foolish

(and made me listen to SBS)

Your girlfriend to thread.

Supertzar ends at 3:40 but check the length of the YouTube

giant lol

i turned my friend liz from EW on to a lot of heavy stuff when we were kids. black sabbath included. the first time she heard slayer was at my house. she was really into glam metal before that. she loved cinderella.

i try to make the world a better place whenever i can.

New contender

"Children of the Sea" (can't believe nobody got to this obvious pun before me)

Dont know about deepest, but I stick by my plug for "Spiral Architect". Some of the coolest imagery ever in a Black Sabbath song.
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill)

First time encountering this thread... I thought of this immediately. But I'm not sure it actually makes sense. It could be their "Bewlay Brothers," AFAICT.
I'm also thinking National Acrobat is a strong contender. Maybe Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is their deepest album. Or possibly just the one with the most spaghetti lyrics.

Wizard is their funkiest, repetitive as it is

Oh shit
I just scrolled up and read the words "spiral architect"
Now I must go listen ;)

Children of the Sea" (can't believe nobody got to this obvious pun before me)

I just really like this song. The pun went over my head.

The opening of the writ gets closest to my state of mind these days

WAS IT ILLUSION?

THE ANSWER TO THIS THREAD IS INTO THE VOID
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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thank u to chaki 12 years ago for posting correctly