Will we ever see Flipper reissues?!?

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I'm not a record collector, but if these ever come out, I will buy every last one of them.

Why has this colossally important and great band gone out of print for so long?

chris s (ertayone), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

Ask Subterranean. Hell, they just reissued the complete Code Of Honor recordings, you'd think they'd do it for their best band as well.

Actually, now that I think about it, the rights might have gone over to Def Jam/American when those ~1990 reissues came out. This could be the source of the problem.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.subterranean.org : last updated June 25th 2002

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

By the early 1990s, the band resurfaced with a new single on Subterranean called "Someday"/"Distant Illusion" and began performing again. Bruce Loose had become a heroin addict by this point. After Loose allegedly stole the band's master tapes from Subterranean's warehouse, he and DePace brokered a deal with powerful Los Angeles-based music industry figure Rick Rubin. Rubin used his attorneys to quash Subterranean's claim to the music and soon re-released Album Generic Flipper and the singles compilation Sex Bomb Baby on his Infinite Zero label. Even with Henry Rollins onboard as the latter label's A&R, the label soon went defunct. By 1997, Flipper's groundbreaking music went largely out of print, with Rubin still holding onto the rights, though tentative plans have been made for the band's catalogue to be re-released on Rubin's American Recordings in 2007.

señor citizen (eman), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

When did Generic Flipper go out of print? I got it in 2001 from CDNow or Amazon. I remember Sex Bomb Baby being out of print then although it was cheap on Ebay. Looking forward to those reissues though.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Were Gone Fishin' and Public Flipper Ltd. ever released on cd?

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

New album in 2007 too, Wikipedia says.

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

by all accounts i've read of other bands who have played with them over the years: bruce lose = scumbag asshole

señor citizen (eman), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Were Gone Fishin' and Public Flipper Ltd. ever released on cd?

no. there was the Blow'n Chunks cd which I think had tracks off both?

señor citizen (eman), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

wait no that was a live album

señor citizen (eman), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

I for one, would appreciate a Flipper boxed set.

Dare Of The Hog (Bimble...), Sunday, 24 September 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

the world needs flipper reissues. i haven't even heard gone fishin' before.

spastic heritage (spastic heritage), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

Neither have I!

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

i used to have that and public flipper ltd vinyl. WHY DID I SELL THEMFJSDLKG>?FDS/

señor citizen (eman), Sunday, 24 September 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

I gladly paid $20 for Gone Fishin'.

Public Flipper rules, my favorite of theirs.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Sunday, 24 September 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

was ist das?

http://www.discogs.com/release/582767

señor citizen (eman), Monday, 25 September 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

looks like the "1982 demos" boot that got torrented a while back. Awesome stuff.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Monday, 25 September 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

yep, that's the one. feel free to email me...

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Monday, 25 September 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

I was fortunate enough to see them live in San Diego earlier this year. They sounded better than ever. I can largely attribute that to the fact the bass is so central to their sound and musically, Mr DeSmartass may be their best bass player yet. And the intensity of Mr Loose is surprisingly undiminished, considering his medical issues.

But the relevant issue for this thread: the merch table. They had T-shirts, CD and LP copies of Blow'n Chunks (which I assume is their only album currently in print), and DVDs of the Emerald Cities movie. Also around the time of that show, Bruce had a myspace profile which mentioned an address where one could mailorder the Emerald Cities DVD. He's since removed the profile.

cheshycat (cheshycat), Monday, 25 September 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKaw_M073So

cheshycat (cheshycat), Monday, 25 September 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

Check out this from WFMU...amazing 1981 recording on KALX radio.
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/09/flipper.html

chad (chad), Monday, 25 September 2006 04:46 (nineteen years ago)

(xp) that clip makes me want to see them so bad

DUMBOCLAAT (eman), Monday, 25 September 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

these will get reissued after every last one of us has paid too much money for the out of print versions

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 25 September 2006 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

or, they never will, because downloading, etc

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 25 September 2006 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. I can't believe that there are all those Flipper fans out there!

Bruce always seemed a bit anti-social to me. Will, on the other hand... completely loveable. Neither Will nor Bruce could play the bass worth a damn (so far as I could tell), Will couldn't even tune the damn thing.

They will never be able to reproduce the chaos of a "real" SF Flipper show, with a constant barrage of empty beers cans and abuse flying at the stage and all the, very slow, stage diving. Then the careful flinging of all the cans BACK INTO THE AUDIENCE between songs so they could do it all over again. 20+ minutes of "I Am The Wheel" complete with the circular arm motion. Then Bruce, Will, and Ted sitting on the sideline drinking beer and looking bemused while Steve drove 3 random kids from the audience through end of the set. Priceless.

Weird irony about Rick Rubin ending up with the Flipper albums...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e4/Hose.jpg

Any clue why Steve never put out the A3I LP? I got tests on it TWICE, but I believe it never came out...

factcheckr (factcheckr), Monday, 25 September 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

One thing I really regret is not picking up all the Flipper 7" releases: their best songs, colour vinyl, primitive sleeves. Could be an eBay project, but a reissue pack would be nice.

Soukesian (Soukesian), Monday, 25 September 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

praise for the 82 studio sessions is very, very, very much accurate, they are awesome

mango selassie (teenagequiet), Monday, 25 September 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

Bruce Lose solo 7" on mp3 here:
http://www.stthomas1976.net/flipper/sounds.html

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Monday, 25 September 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, i never new Flipper were that in demand. You going to tell me they are going on E Bay for ridiculous sums - more than 10 quid or something?
I melted all my Flipper vinyl at a drunken barbecue accident I had this summer. We wound up playing darts with the Public Flipper board game and there was a medium wounding. The warped Flipper discs sound great by the way - more sludgy, if that'smpossible and the undulations notably improve timing.

The Live 'official' 83 VIDEO is something every rounded family household should have. This was released by Dog Patch records in '98.

Thanks to Chad for the link to the WFMU show. Any Flipper fan worth her pilchard's should seek out Pissed Jeans.

Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Dog (Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountai), Monday, 25 September 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Great stories Factcheckr - 'very slow stagediving'

Was the project you refer to Any Three Initials - not a hardcore parody per chance?

Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Dog (Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountai), Monday, 25 September 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

I got the Alternative Tentacles UK issue of Love Canal for about 5 quid on Ebay, but I dunno how much the Subterranean version goes for.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 25 September 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

20+ minutes of "I Am The Wheel" complete with the circular arm motion. Then Bruce, Will, and Ted sitting on the sideline drinking beer and looking bemused while Steve drove 3 random kids from the audience through end of the set.

:-O

DUMBOCLAAT (eman), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

the audience participation tradition is still going strong.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukRlHzfuVSc

cheshy f cat (cheshycat), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 02:22 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha, I like the guy imitating the theramin sounds by whistling!

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

i saw a 12 year old in a flipper shirt yesterday in berkeley. it made me feel young!

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Are these '82 demos of which you speak the demo versions of Gone Fishin' songs (and a few that ended up only on Public Flipper Limited)? I have those somewhere at my house on two CD-Rs. They're great, especially when Bruce or Will is blowing a gym coach's whistle to indicate where the horn parts are gonna go later.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Yes.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Have we really gone this far without mentioning American Grafishy? Pretty decent album, if you ask me.

Lee is Free (Lee is Free), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

I got a big warm feeling from all this Flipperchat. Kinda like pissing in the pool, yknow?

Yes A3I = Any Three Initials...

To be honest we had a Flipper tribute band about 15 years ago with the idea that we'd only have to play half a set but no one in Chicago had the balls to come up on stage.

We even did a lengthy rendition of Brainwash.

For indie-industry-distribution wonks it included the dueling guitars of Patrick (Carrot Top) AND Chris (Southern).

factcheckr (factcheckr), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

american grafishy IS good. just standing in the shadow of a mountain of fcuking greatness.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

To be honest we had a Flipper tribute band about 15 years ago with the idea that we'd only have to play half a set but no one in Chicago had the balls to come up on stage.
Would that have been Flipper Jr.? If so, I remember hearing OF but never getting the chance to see - Most likely due to having been a high schooler in Hoffman Estates at the time.

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. Someone heard of us?

We were almost as good of a room clearer as the real thing...

Listening to those live tracks right now.

factcheckr (factcheckr), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

Did no one get who the picture is of? Cmon c'mon,,,

GUESS!

factcheckr (factcheckr), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

Nice bit where they say on mic "you all know that the stage is yours if you want it."

factcheckr (factcheckr), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

its rick rubin playing in hose

DUMBOCLAAT (eman), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

Flipper should tour with Sensational.

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Flipper
Sex Bomb Baby [re-issue] (PRE-ORDER: SALEABLE NOVEMBER 18TH)
PS, US Another essential release from San Francisco legends FLIPPER. Originally released in 1987, 'Sex Bomb Baby' is actually a collection of material dated no later than 1982, comprised of singles, b-sides, & compilation trks. The single version of "Sex Bomb" is an all out clasic - a frenetic, yelping punk answer to "Louie, Louie" & the rest is no slouch either. Outrageous, harsh, sludge-punk from SF's finest. Back in print on CD for the 1st time in yrs!
Water
CD
$14.25

Flipper
Gone Fishin' [re-issue] (PRE-ORDER: SALEABLE NOVEMBER 18TH)
PS, US Their 2nd & final studio album for the original lineup of San Francisco's legends FLIPPER. This was released in 1984 & took the "punk" tag to extremes, as no other band in the world was playing punk this slow, sludgy, dark & disturbed. Feat. the haunting "Survivors of the Plague" & the public incrimination of "Sacrifice," 'Gone Fishin' is an art-punk classic that holds up alongside their more heralded debut.
Water
CD
$14.25

Flipper
Public Flipper Limited Live 1980-1985 [re-issue] (PRE-ORDER: SALEABLE NOVEMBER 18TH)
PS, US 2CD collection that was originally released in 1986 as a 2LP of live material culled from 1980-85. The sound quality & playing are both a grimy, distorted mess, which suits the band just fine. Always alternating between endearing & abrasive FLIPPER left no room for the middle ground of "like." The album title is a shot at John Lydon & his alleged plagiarism of Flipper's artwork for his own PIL & it proves that the band was never opposed to alienating its audience, no matter how sanctified. Harsh, art-rock classics from one of San Francisco's most important post-hippy era bands.
Water
DCD
$17.50

Flipper
Album - Generic Flipper [re-issue] (PRE-ORDER: SALEABLE NOVEMBER 18TH)
PS, US 1st classic record from the legendary San Francisco act, originally released in 1982. Post-hardcore? Post-punk? Art-rock? Despite being a part of SF's punk scene FLIPPER were really only punk in spirit, eschewing conventions & making no concessions. Sludgy, distorted, atonal, noise rock jams that sound as urgent & heavy as they must have 25 yrs ago. A huge influence on bands to come later like Nirvana & The Melvins.
Water
CD
$14.25

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 6 November 2008 10:52 (seventeen years ago)

I already have Generic & Sex Bomb Baby on CD but never been able to find Gone Fishin' anywhere.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 6 November 2008 10:52 (seventeen years ago)

I've still got Gone Fishin' on vinyl (I bought it in '87 following S*m*n R*yn*lds rave reviw in MM!) but it would be great to upgrade it to CD status!

The answer is NOT Volkswagen (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 6 November 2008 10:56 (seventeen years ago)

Out here on the 27th according to HMV.

The answer is NOT Volkswagen (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 6 November 2008 11:06 (seventeen years ago)

THANK YOU WATER

like burning a swan (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 6 November 2008 11:33 (seventeen years ago)

the PIL rip-off one became ridiculously expensive on ebay right after i realized i needed it.

like burning a swan (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 6 November 2008 11:34 (seventeen years ago)

Upgrade? It's Flipper! All fetishistic format shit aside...

Niles Caulder, Thursday, 6 November 2008 14:08 (seventeen years ago)

if this were anyone but water i'd call bullshit. this is great news

eman, Thursday, 6 November 2008 14:41 (seventeen years ago)

Excited to have Gone Fishin' on CD. Talk about the greatest album never released on CD (until now)

Glad to see some of those Infinite Zero issues getting reissued again i.e. Sex Bomb Baby comp.

HI, YOUR BAND! (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 6 November 2008 17:54 (seventeen years ago)

great news.

sleeve, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:03 (seventeen years ago)

So is Subterranean reissuing these? Was the whole catalog tied up with American Records all this time? Also, never heard Grafishy, but Somewhere was a good single.

bendy, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:51 (seventeen years ago)

Water is doing them. Water also did two of the Charles Wright/Watts 103rd St. Rhythm Band reissues, and the Pearls Before Swine reissues.

HI, YOUR BAND! (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 6 November 2008 20:10 (seventeen years ago)

Just in time for Christmas!
Exciting stuff

Ivan, Thursday, 6 November 2008 20:18 (seventeen years ago)

water did all the cluster and cluster/eno reissues. good label

eman, Thursday, 6 November 2008 21:10 (seventeen years ago)

Gone Fishin' was their masterpiece and my introduction back in 84/85?

I remember a really grimy black and white photo of them in Sounds or Melody Maker. It looked like the photographer had smeared vaseline on the lens to soften up FLIPPER. HA HA HA!!!

Fer Ark, Thursday, 6 November 2008 21:30 (seventeen years ago)

so can anybody tell me where the song "There's A Lot You Don't Know" comes from? I read a reference to it once but Google only brings up a ten-year-old WFMU playlist.

sleeve, Friday, 7 November 2008 17:52 (seventeen years ago)

eman, Friday, 7 November 2008 18:20 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

I just got my Flipper Gone Fishin' and Public Flipper Limited CD reissues.

I will get back to you, but wow, to FINALLY hold CD versions of these in my hands at long last!

"Sustainability Sucks" T's Ahoy For Urban Outfitters Bootches (Mackro Mackro), Sunday, 21 December 2008 00:05 (seventeen years ago)

i saw them today, but had other priorities. they'll be gone by the time i get back. then it'll be another ten years before they get repressed.

Manclusion (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 21 December 2008 09:29 (seventeen years ago)

are there bonus tracks or other things on these?

Hinklepicker, Sunday, 21 December 2008 09:36 (seventeen years ago)

no, water never does bonus tracks AFAIK

Manclusion (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 21 December 2008 09:44 (seventeen years ago)

I was able to pick up an old used cd copy of Generic a little while back for a reasonable $ because these were on the horizon, so yay.

that karate douche (╓abies), Sunday, 21 December 2008 10:21 (seventeen years ago)

six months pass...

I interviewed Bruce this week; transcript at my blog. The new albums, one studio one live, both recorded with Krist Novoselic on bass, are great.

unperson, Sunday, 28 June 2009 20:06 (sixteen years ago)

so can anybody tell me where the song "There's A Lot You Don't Know" comes from? I read a reference to it once but Google only brings up a ten-year-old WFMU playlist.

― sleeve, Friday, 7 November 2008 17:52 (7 months ago)

sleeve, Sunday, 28 June 2009 20:35 (sixteen years ago)

I bought a "gone fishin'" vinyl reissue a few weeks ago from Amaz.on.ca of all places.
It's on Four Men With Beards, they did a great job. 180 gram and good packaging, very cool.

chad, Monday, 29 June 2009 15:38 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, but can you order a spare cover from them so you can cut out the van and bandmember figures, the way you could from Subterranean?

unperson, Monday, 29 June 2009 15:50 (sixteen years ago)

I doubt it, but my 5 year old daughter wanted to cut out the Flipper "playset" as soon as she saw that cover.
She can't understand why I won't let her take scissors to it. I had to hide it for while.

chad, Monday, 29 June 2009 16:08 (sixteen years ago)

haha aw you should buy a second one for her to play with

am0n, Monday, 29 June 2009 16:26 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

The new albums, one studio one live, both recorded with Krist Novoselic on bass, are great.

― unperson, Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:06 PM

no they're not.

( ´_ゝ˙) (Dr. Phil), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 04:57 (sixteen years ago)

unperson, I was at that Auckland show Bruce talked about on your blog. They were GREAT, my girlfriend and I'd gone with pretty low expectations and left so so happy.

Blurks (CharlieS), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 08:03 (sixteen years ago)

thirteen years pass...

I had for some reason absorbed some received wisdom that American Grafishy is a terrible album. In 2023 I listened to it and it is not actually bad at all! It doesn't meet their earlier stuff but it's pretty consistent and more importantly it still sounds like Flipper.

Not that received wisdom about punk albums is always wrong, I have listened to Grave New World.

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 29 July 2023 02:18 (two years ago)

yeah it's pretty damn good! the one time I saw them was when the pre-LP single ("Someday/Distant Illusion") was out, on (I think?) their first post-Shatter tour. They played in a hippie food co-op that sometimes had shows at night. Ted Falconi was an absolute guitar god while simultaneously exuding negative pretension and presence, like a black hole on stage

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 29 July 2023 02:29 (two years ago)

I only saw them once at Thurston Moore's ATP, with Krist Novoselic on bass. I missed the very beginning and said to someone I wish they played Sacrifice only to be told they opened with it.

To think I missed Sacrifice for some of the worst fish & chips I'd ever eaten.

Mind you I did see Negative Approach that weekend which was one of the best sets I've ever seen

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 29 July 2023 02:32 (two years ago)

Yeah greyfishy is a fine album

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 29 July 2023 02:41 (two years ago)


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