ROLLING N00B PWNING THREAD 2006

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I just stumbled across this site over the weekend, and was rewarded with hours and hours of entertainment. Hope to join in and provide the same.

[EDIT -- ALL "HI, I'M NEW HERE THREADS" WILL BE NOW DIRECTED HERE.]

― SAS (sschwartzberg), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

SOMEHOW DOUBTFUL

― boo berry (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

DO YOU LIKE BRITPOP?

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

How do you feel about the ethics of swanning around in detective trenchcoats and big sunglasses with a general air of thirties classiness?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, it's a list!

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

It never will be missed.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

In otherwards, SAS, hello.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

Welcome to the most brutal, cynical and nerdiest webpage on the planet. Let's get cracking!

― Arnar Eggert Thoroddsen (arnart1802), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

just watch what you post about the Alan Parsons Project...this group will absolutely eat you alive...

― hank (hank s), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

please add me to your list, cutty+1

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

ASL?

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

this site will put you through a shredder worse than the protagonist in the wall might to his estranged wife.

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

Considered responses to this thread:

1) Were people always so cuntish to newcomers on ILM?

2) ILM is like Judaism, you have to knock three times before they let you join in.

3) Let the paddlin' commence!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

There is no intend for you to be put through a shedder, provided that you are in favour of musics that is melodics, and not amelodic rap barbary shrieks.

― Comstock Carabineri (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

you must be high like me comstock to come up with a remark like that!

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Eh bien, continuons...

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Considered responses to this thread:
1) Were people always so cuntish to newcomers on ILM?

Couldn't have said it better. It seems that the signal to noise ratio has gotten worse lately.

Welcome SAS.

― shorty (shorty), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

we kid because we love...

(personally, I find this to be one of the more humane threads I've encountered on ILM)...

doesn't ILM have a "new person has to buy doughnuts for the first week" policy?

― hank (hank s), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

I have considered the considered responses.

Less purple, switch to azure.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

Welcome to the group SAS, and as you can tell, we don't take ourselves too seriously. If you do, you'll get sucked into the nerd vortex of pain.

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

Considered responses to this thread:
1) Were people always so cuntish to newcomers on ILM?
2) ILM is like Judaism, you have to knock three times before they let you join in.
3) Let the paddlin' commence!

Probably but I think a lot of people didn't really start intro threads in the past. As far as I remember they didn't, people would use the introduction thread instead of starting their own "hi i'm here!" thread. I know I cerainly didn't because, well, I was too afraid to be bashed on the head. Back then the discussions seem to be extremely *serious* (for lack of a better word).

And anyway, it's jokey, not meant to be taken seriously when people say snidey comments on intro thread, no?

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

I always pretend ILX is Hollywood Squares.

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

If only I could achieve a perfect Paul Lynde.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

I think prospective posters who are less than 250% enthusiastic about the works of contemporary pop giants such as Justin Timberlake and Cassie may have a hard time here. Also those who think that the Guardian's music coverage is the hippest thing since Charles Shaar Murray's Traveling Wilburys review. That's all.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

b-b-but wagamuffin claims we're all closeted rockists?!

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Who's closeted?

― Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

And anyway, it's jokey, not meant to be taken seriously when people say snidey comments on intro thread, no?

I get the impression some people really uphold a strong sense of 'there goes the neighbourhood' re newcomers on ILM. Point taken re worth of individual intro/hi dere threads tho.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

At least there's no chance of dadaismus running away with the man next door.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not interested in timberlake and am not afraid to say so. i do find it a little bizarre that bands like wilco and the flaming lips get a wretched serving while slick popstars who continue to suffocate airwaves and compromise the credibility of music television go unscathed on this site.

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

There is much less 'poptimism' on ILM now than there was four years ago.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

And far more rocktimism

― Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Charlie - the root cause is that the person who founded the site, i.e. me, loves slick popstars and hates wholemeal bores like Wilco and the insufferable Flaming Lips.

I started the message board precisely because there were a million places on the internet to talk about that kind of music and precious few where adults could discuss pop. Anyway most of the original posters here were people I already knew, and while the pop-friendly aspect of ILM has been diluted over the years it's never entirely faded away.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

if you look at New Answers, there's no favouritism towards any particular genre. it's still reasonably varied and probably always will be. too many nerdy lists obviously, but so used to that.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

rocktimism > poptimism

the most unintellectual music discussion imaginable will invariably revolve around the most mundane example of contemporary pop music ie. timberlake, beyonce et al. ad nauseum.

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

You'd be wrong there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

OK i fully support cuntishness towards Charlie.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

Charlie, I think you're in someone else's seat

― Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

just remember that every time marcello tells someone to fuck off you have to drink.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

…and while the pop-friendly aspect of ILM has been diluted over the years it's never entirely faded away.

I came here for the poptimism, and stayed for the backlash.

― mark 0 (mark 0), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

So SAS, as you can see, we love music.

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

au contraire, the commitment to serious discussion on any thread is often inversely proportional to the quality of the music being discussed!

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

tom,

it's all obviously a personal quibble on my part and certainly not a severe one. i mean, if i were to actively seek out one of those uber-cool message boards with certified 'indie-cred' i'd likely be frustrated at the lack of informed musical discussion, as those outlets seem to revel in namedropping rather than the expression of anything vital or interesting.

i really like the liberated, natural discussion of music on this site, and consequently at times wish the tastes of others reflected mine a little more closely. though that's just an example of how my experience of this environment might be improved.

and eveyone else, don't judge me as i certainly have good will towards all of you

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

it's grand funk railroad talk 24-7 on ilm now, baby! get it while the gettins good!

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, basically, what attracted me to ILM was that adults were talking seriously about pop music. I wasn't even a huge pop music fan at the time, but the level of discourse here made me pay attention.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

what's the deal with the second grand funk album with the red cover? I tried to buy one on ebay thinking I should be able to get it for four dollars or something and it ended up going for like $11.50. just a plain old VG+ Capitol Records copy.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

And I should say that as one of the small handful of ilxors here who's background is more oldies/Funk/Disco/80's hip-hop who dabbled in 90's indie and its roots, it was annoying at first to realize how much love there was for mickey mouse club starlets, but I came to realize a.) that this stuff isn't inherently "bad", and b.) a board without it is just horribly misguided

xx-post

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

as far as i knew they could all be had for a dollar if you look hard enough.

x-post

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Charlie, if this helps, think of it this way -- both Timberlake and Wilco, frankly, annoy me greatly. And I'm sure there's good writing on Wilco but I'm not really compelled to seek it out; also there's a lot more obvious spots where I can find such writing still. But the joy of reading someone like Tim Finney on Timberlake is marvellous, and is still, comparatively, a rarity in wider discourse. That the Net has allowed for that space of appreciation is crucial and ILM's role in it is quite profound, whatever has changed over time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

i listen to survival and all the girls in the world beware!!! quite a bit. i don't think i have a copy of the second album right now. i'll have to check the stockroom. er, bedroom. that one has paranoid on it. their paranoid.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

i'm really kind of relieved right now that i decided against posting a similar thread, a couple months ago. but i'm glad somebody did. oh, and hi SAS.

― cate flamingo (cate flamingo), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, ilm, even when it blows, makes most forums look like yesterday's meatballs. people here can spell for the most part too. that in itslef iz aa rrty. (and it makes a difference to me. maybe it shouldn't, but it does.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

i listen to survivor and all the girls in the world beware!!!

http://www.wwqq101.com/Zack%20Mullet.jpg

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

au contraire, the commitment to serious discussion on any thread is often inversely proportional to the quality of the music being discussed!

Pretty OTM.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

grand funk invented miami bass. it's all in my new book: Some Kind Of Bootyful - How Grand Funk Invented Miami Bass.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

they also paved the way for Jefferson Airplane who paved the way for Cobra Starship

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

which I believe was some sort of hovercraft...

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

hahah.... 'mickey mouse pop starlets' was the exact term i was searching for in place of 'slick popstars'.

my musical interests incidentally cover just about everything genre-wise. a lot of artists i'm still in the process of learning about, but i don't actively despise any style of music per se. i probably don't embrace pop as much because i tend to associate it with people who have had very minimal exposure to quality music in general and whose tastes are barely founded in the first place. this site should teach me otherwise (in due course) :)

ned,

that's a good way of putting it, and frankly until now i'd assumed that ilm's love for current trends in pop was a reflection of the same contrived evolutions found elsewhere on the web ie. a need to periodically shape and redefine what is considered to be important and relevant music. often celebrated bands are inexplicably shunned to the point where their achievements are forgotten in favour of the latest flavour of the week. it's good to know that ilm was actually founded out of appreciation for pop and that there has always been a more natural tendency for such expression.

scott,

much agreed. iq levels are soaring on ilm

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

There nowt wrong with Mickey Mouse pal.

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

(hello SAS BTW)

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

"Hi I'm new" threads are dumm because this is a music board and "Hi I'm new" threads are not about music, amirite? But welcome SAS, just jump right in.

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

renamed thread titles always confuse my dumb ass

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

much agreed. iq levels are soaring on ilm

But soaring downwards is impossible, so I assume the word you were looking for is "plummeting"

― Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

hahha...i just mean sky-high, i guess. as in relative to a lot of other avenues for musical discussion on the www.

but perhaps plummeting is the best word to use? i haven't noticed people getting stupider?

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

yeah so

I get the impression that it's not so much that people here hate newcomers as it is that they (can I say "we" yet or is that too presumptuous?) hate attention-whoring. for example, I am arguably a worse human being than Louis Jagger, and yet, because I hide my evils beneath a veneer of BASIC FUCKING SOCIAL NICETIES, no one ever wishes death upon me. um. I don't really know what this has to do with anything, I guess I just wanted to be proud of my internet discussion faculties.

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

I can't be bothered to link the introduction thread yet again (trackback! use the force!) but hi :)

I think lurking for a short while with a different username somehow allowed me to skip the hazing rituals, not that it was an intentional maneuver at the time.

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

I like how SAS introduces himself and everyone jumps into the thread like a bunch of wind-up soldiers crashing into eachother. I somehow picture SAS as a little boy laughing and clapping his hands above the melee he created.

― BrianB (BrianB), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

YEAH MAN HOW DOES HE EVEN MANAGE TO TYPE WITH ALL THOSE STRINGS IN HIS HANDS?!

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

I still maintain that 80% of the people who start Hi I'm New! threads don't last more than a week.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

the funny thing is it was a really sincere, well-intentioned thread. power to him for discovering the site and enjoying it

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Tom's biggest mistake was calling this site "I Love Music" instead of "I Only Love Slick Pop Stars (and Dexys)".

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

nice people, mean people, smart people, dumb people, just observe the way of the walk to avoid the hazing amirite?

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Hi, I occasionally post on ILM but there is one thing that I don't understand that occurs rather frequently.

Why are so many of the ILM cadre of ex-indie rockers ashamed of indie? (that's USA indie, not the UK "Boy Bands w/ Guitars"/Britpop indie)

Yes, y'all wearing your indie clothes, checking out indie girls/boys, closet listening to indie allthewhile suspectly buying other genres to boost your ILM cred... you are among the first to bash "Indie: The Genre"?

Why ya frontin', y0?

Peer pressure? Diseased with musical fashion? is this a po-mo "ironic" move like the fleeting destiny's child/missy elliot affection of last year?

-- http://gygax.pitas.com ([email protected]), May 28th, 2002 8:00 PM. (11 trackbacks) (link)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

do you have a spreadsheet or something, jaymc? a powerpoint presentation? i want data. 80% seems high. but then i never remember anyone's name anyway.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

yeah yeah yeah jaymc, we can all find plenty of pro-indie threads in the early days of ILM.

thanks for showing up and doing your monkey on a leash trick.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

I never wore those horrible disco outfits! That was my friends, not me.

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

thank god you didn't drag that thread out from last week.

it's almost the same as mine, content-wise. he seems to express himself more eloquently than me though. i blame the drama of my thesis for my clumsy turn of phrase.

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

YEAH MAN HOW DOES HE EVEN MANAGE TO TYPE WITH ALL THOSE STRINGS IN HIS HANDS?!
He hasn't typed anything thing since the introduction, that's what makes this thread so hilarious.

― BrianB (BrianB), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Some Kind Of Bootyful - How Grand Funk Invented Miami Bass

If you get that published I'll buy two.

― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

I think all lurkers should be announced in this way.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hi. I'm PappaWheelie. I was born in Michigan (land of Grand Funk), listened to a lot of my parents classic rock growing up in the 70's (such as Grand Funk), discovered P-Funk/Zapp/Early Prince, Hip-Hop, and Electro in the early 80's, moved to Florida, and started producing Miami Bass.

Who needs the book...?

― PappaWheelie has no answers to any question that requires actual thought (PappaW, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Scott, here's the last 20 posters to have started "Hi I'm New" threads prior to this August, and the number of total threads they've posted to on ILM (searched by log-in name):

Louis Jagger (100+)
Hoosteen (74)
Stephen C. (100+)
Jouster (17)
Jennifer Kelly (1)
Ian McIntyre (3)
xavier mcshane (100+)
iananoymous (4)
Viwek Bisen (1)
Joseph Cowart (22)
Kid Twist (12)
Rob F. (2)
Eric Wahl (14)
Anthony Lombardi (66)
Dee Xtrovert (100+)
Yoshinorimike (32)
b b (100+)
Sam Rowlands (100+)
Priti (9)
Ethan Forrest (6)

There are six undisputed regulars of 100+ threads, and Hoosteen seems likely to join that list soon. But with the exception of Anthony Lombardi, no one else has posted to more than 32. And in two cases (Jennifer Kelly and Viwek Bisen), the introduction thread was the only thread they ever posted to!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

hoosteen is already golden

did we scare jagger back into his hole?

― PappaWheelie has no answers to any question that requires actual thought (PappaW, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

I will try to post whenever I have a somewhat relevant comment. As far as music... I love it! My main loves are classic rock and early 80s British stuff, but I like a huge variety on top of that. I even like stuff that embarrasses me to admit to myself, let alone anyone else.

― SAS (sschwartzberg), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

Jagger's still around, innit? I thought he was SpaceGourmand or something to that effect.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

I will try to post whenever I have a somewhat relevant comment.

That puts you ahead of the curve right there, good on ya.

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

ILM has a kind of perverse reversal of snobbery where it's almost impossible to find anything to be truly ashamed of if you can cobble together even a half-decent justification for it.

Mind you there are a few posters with pet theories of music, the universe and everything who still manage to bring the scorn upon themselves....

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds scary. Not the scorn, but the pet theories. Reminds me of a professor from last year (world art history- vague eh?) who truly believed that bestiality created offpring of a human/animal hybrid that related to artwork of ancient Assyria.

...And people wonder why I want to drop out of art school.

― Andi Headphones (Andi Headphones), Sunday, 8 October 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

damnit, I thought I'd successfully killed this thread.

― eh (fandango), Sunday, 8 October 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

2006 T+96 hours in hiphop

I didn't really listen to either of them but dro and jeezy talked big about their hearts and lost them.
Toomp is the best produce.
Trackboys = kitsch simulacrum fake-a-chant
"Jay was great as always"
Jay-Dee died
Nas was less frustrated in 1990-- more poetic now.
The Show versus Kayotic.
Where is real one? Locked up
Mac Dre I couldn't really hear.
high priest of the antipop consortium
necro
mf doom

mos def - true magic

return of dr octagon
mr nogatco
sage francis

T.I. sampled Q-Tip and drastically shifts rap's sexual-political paridigm

Actually Kool Keith drops this wack album seemingly on commission called the commi$$ioner and uses broke
malprogrammed atrocities of beats and talks really real over it and sells it offstage.

Mack Maine Freestyle 101 on some torrent site

Mack and currensy - g-series mixtape volume one - dro;

― ruislim (pete38), Thursday, 4 January 2007 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

tell me more about Nas in 1990

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 4 January 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

woah, this thread started at about the time i stopped looking at ILM.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Thursday, 4 January 2007 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

i suppose we need the 2007 edition?

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 4 January 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

ten months pass...

BAN "STEPHEN"

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 18 November 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

hoosteen is already golden

did we scare jagger back into his hole?

― PappaWheelie

― What do you do when there's a user with, like, sixty of 'em? (velko), Friday, 28 May 2010 17:29 (sixteen years ago)

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