pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

yeah but everyone in that crowd went and started their own cover band

lol

ha

VU&N is a predictable pick for #1 but I'm not going to complain, that and the 3rd album are the two VU albums I still really enjoy. I definitely get Joan Crawford's point about the lyrics to Venus in Furs but sound-wise it's something else.

Favourite surprising thing about the list as a whole is all the jazz, especially the high placing for Out to Lunch.

Least favourite surprising thing is Sweetheart of the Rodeo placing all the way above Notorious Byrd Brothers (with Younger Than Yesterday nowhere to be seen).

yeah but everyone in that crowd went and started their own cover band

Ha!

sweetheart is better than notorious

I'm not a Gram Parsons fan (bar maybe Gilded Palace of Sin), not that much of a country fan in general. Notorious Byrd Brothers is all-time for me.

i think i just forget that there are people who don't love them. collectively they were so brilliant. and that includes mo. wishing they had a different drummer is like wishing the beatles had a different drummer. she was an integral part of their thing. i'm still so impressed when i hear something by them even after all this time.

i was playing my video game on the ps4 recently and i put on spotify and listened to live stuff for hours and there were so many HOLY SHIT moments. they still make my jaw drop.

No Shangri-Las on that list - no credibility

Mo's drumming on "Foggy Notion" alone!

i think one of the things that's so great about the 1969 live stuff is that it feels like Moe has really developed into this amazingly powerful player, driving the whole thing — still one of the reasons they hold up more than other 60s groups imo.

Shangri-Las are at #49.

I don't know that album though - I just listen to Myrmidons of Melodrama.

I liked that Pitchfork list overall. I kept thinking of people coming across it who hadn't heard a lot of it and how much fun it would be to go through it. And how much they would learn! Fun and learning all around. And I liked all the jazz. I am all for turning people onto great jazz.

60s-70s are easily 90% of my listening and there were still a few new things for me in that list, especially in the 200-40 spots

ah fuck it's early and i'm not thinking jmm, thanks...

myrmidons is one of the best comps out there

i feel like there is some filler here that WL/WH or VU doesn't have.

White Light White Heat has a second side that I think you should familiarize yourself with.

that's the good side.

haha yeah, we're calling "heard her call my name" and "sister ray" filler? ok.

i'm with alfred; every vu album except loaded has been my favorite at one point in time (currently i prefer vu to the other two)

in fact i might've had a delusional second or two where loaded was my fav, first side of that record sounds really lovely on a sunny day

Mo's drumming on "Foggy Notion" alone!

yes so otm! this is maybe my favorite Velvet recording, that rhythm is so punchy, so motorik, you have to love it. this song choogles.

the 60s is still all-time for me. im so glad so much music was produced back then, you could spend a lifetime just looking through it all.

VU and CCR are my two favorite death choogle bands.

"Black Angel's Death Song" sounds like a wheezy noisey Dylan joke. ive never really wanted to hear that song again. "Run Run Run" choogles but i prefer them in Gothic/Romantic/Decadent mode w Nico.

i looked at that list again and i know its good because i only found three things i would take off. i mean there is stuff i don't listen to on there like ray charles and the band but i get why they are there. but only three "really, out of everything in the 60s?" moments while looking at it. lots of stuff i DO listen to a lot.

loaded > s/t imo

VU and CCR are my two favorite death choogle bands.

― scott seward, Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:21 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes

Run Run Run is so amazing. yeesh. i played it yesterday. still kills me.

i turned rufus on to CCR a couple of weeks ago. he'd never really listened to them. and there was one song playing and i said to him: listen, it's the VU! and he agreed. now i can't remember what song it was. sounded pretty uncanny.

frankly im just glad pet sounds wasnt #1

a lot of stuff on Pendulum could be VU.

loaded > s/t imo

― marcos, Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:23 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nonsense

no it is actually quite true

enjoyed your write-ups btw brad <3 and i had a good time listening to sonny sharrock yesterday

loaded is a great album and on certain days it's my favorite (it's certainly the one i've listened to the most), but it's so uncharacteristic that i have a hard time calling it the most definitive VU album

Loaded is the first one I bought. In 1983? I loved it immediately. Then i bought the first album. Blew my little mind. I do remember playing Loaded for the first time and thinking hey this is just a rock album this isn't scary. But I loved it all the same.

they played the HELL out of "foggy notion" and "i can't stand it" on the college radio station near me when VU came out. it was like they were 1985 pop hits.

enjoyed your write-ups btw brad <3 and i had a good time listening to sonny sharrock yesterday

― marcos, Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:33 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thank you so much marcos!!!

Nice they included two Beefheart records after ignoring him on the 70s and 80s lists.

ie when he made his best records

I can never make it through an entire John Cale album. Someone brought in, like, every Cale album recently and I make it through about three songs. He must be my solo Ringo. or solo George after ATMP come to think of it...

solo lou reed has it all over solo lennon and mccartney album-wise though.

them's fightin words around here lol

I love three of Cale's solo records and at least six of Reed's.

after Lou, Nico made the best records. The End...is better than any Cale album. Nico and Yoko should have made an album together. They did the most interesting stuff.

even church of anthrax just makes me want to listen to a terry riley record. it's nowhere near the best thing that terry riley was involved in.

scott i love you but solo cale is where it's at

if you've tried w/ cale i guess there's nothing to be done, but at this point I think it's 70s cale > 70s reed for me

Paris 1919
Fear
Slow Dazzle

^^ all I need plus mayyyybe Songs for Drella

for Reed it's Transformr, Coney ISland Baby, The Blue Mask, Legendary Hearts, New Sensations, Set the Twilight Reeling and Ecstasy

Different mix of Reed albums for me but those proportions are about right and agree on the Cale recs (altho I do really like the Church of Anthrax too hmmm)

Church of Anthrax, Vintage Violence, Paris 1919 + Fear are all A+ classics — rest of the 70s for Cale is merely terrific.

i put on songs for drella today just to play test a copy and i lasted like 6 seconds. i can't listen to that.

BUT, in the interest of fairness, i just put on The Academy In Peril since I just cleaned a copy. I'm already a little bored....i think the first track is just a studio outtake.