Songs plagued by bad grammar

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Long time reader, first time poster here...
I heard a new Ben Kweller song ("Run") the other day with the line "I have ran for so long"..
Can anyone else think of unintentionally ungrammatical usage in pop songs?
Stuff like TLC's "No Scrubs" is disqualified ("I don't want no scrubs..") and Hair Soundtrack ("Aint Got No") because it falls into modern colloquial usage. Sorry to nerd out..
p.s. Jim Guthrie rules

Nick Thorburn (Diamonds), Friday, 29 September 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

Man, if this was ilxors plagued by bad grammer...

PappaWheelie puts out again and gives up again and puts out again and gives (Pap, Friday, 29 September 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno what's nerdier, the topic or that you've made exceptions for "modern colloquial usage".

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Friday, 29 September 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, you knew the jokes and the shit tossing were coming though, right? As a longtime lurker? You knew?

PappaWheelie puts out again and gives up again and puts out again and gives (Pap, Friday, 29 September 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

This is an excellent question though. The first example that came to mind was from the kingsmens garage rock classic called 'louie louie' where the singers cries, "Hey baby, you smells my toe!" I mean, isnt the proper way to say that, "Hey baby, WILL you smells my toe?"

Paul Edward Wagemann (PaulEdwardWagemann), Friday, 29 September 2006 01:36 (nineteen years ago)

will there also be an exception for swedish pop stars trying to sing in english?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 29 September 2006 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

"I have ran for so long"..

That DOES sound annoying, and I don't really give a shit about grammar.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Friday, 29 September 2006 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

It's not a song, but the title of Ben Lee's album Awake is the New Sleep drives me up the wall.

scriblerus (mike lynch), Friday, 29 September 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

What about I Ran (So Far Away)?

"And I ran, I ran so far away" is followed immediately by "couldn't get away," which implies that he didn't actually run away. If anything, the song should be present tense (I run so far away) until it bangs into the startling realization: "I can not get away!"

Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Friday, 29 September 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

That DOES sound annoying, and I don't really give a shit about grammar.

Especially since the song title is RUN, not ran! It really emphasizes the fact that the douche thought he was speaking correctly.

Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Friday, 29 September 2006 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

"And I ran, I ran so far away" is followed immediately by "couldn't get away," which implies that he didn't actually run away.

There's a difference between running far away and "getting away". Running far away means running a long distance, while "getting away" is more idiomatic and means "escape".

musically (musically), Friday, 29 September 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

"In this ever-changing world in which we live in" is my favorite Paul McCartney lyric.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 29 September 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

The title of one of the songs on 'The Holy Bible' has a superfluous apostrophe.

"IfwhiteAmericatoldthetruthforonedayit'sworldwouldfallapart".

>_< >_< >_< AAAAAARRRRGHHH KILLKILLKILL HULK SMASH-

..... I *hate* that particular mistake.

GLC (ZakAce), Friday, 29 September 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

almond joy's got nuts, mound's don't

PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

Something that has always made me cringe:

"I'm gonna love you
Till the stars fall from the sky for you and I"

-the venerable morrison

Something that always cracks me up is how the singer is talking about "her" then talking to "her":

"She was a fast machine she kept her motor clean
She was the best damn woman that I ever seen"
- changes to -
"you shook me all night long"

Also, Lord Sotosyn, I heard that one this morning and had to giggle at that part.

sedgwic (sedgwic), Friday, 29 September 2006 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

Running far away means running a long distance

Precisely, but away from something, which is actually what he could not get. So he ran a long distance, but he never got away.

Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Friday, 29 September 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

"In this ever-changing world in which we live in" is my favorite Paul McCartney lyric.

I have often marvelled over that one, too, but the first of the three "in's" you listed is actually an "if":

"If this ever changing world in which we live in...makes you give in and cry...'

isn't it?

Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Friday, 29 September 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

As much as I love the song, "Deathly" by Aimee Mann -- it should be "Deadly," but it just wouldn't sound as good...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 29 September 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

deathly - like death
deadly - able to cause death

Godfrzej Ljang (godfrzej), Friday, 29 September 2006 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

I've heard the it the other way all my life, but folks insist it's "If this ever-changing world in which we're living..."

a|ex (Pareene), Friday, 29 September 2006 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

"If this ever-changing world in which we're living..."

that would be gramatically correct, i guess. and that would be a much worse line than "...in which we live in." and paul has a good enough ear to know that!

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 29 September 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

The Streets - The Irony of It All

"Err, well actually according to research
Government funding for further education pales in insignificance
When compared to how much they spend on repairing
Leery drunk people at the weekend
In casualty wards all over the land."

Especially ironic because Mike Skinner is trying to sound intelligent

Rat Nasty (ratnasty), Friday, 29 September 2006 04:57 (nineteen years ago)

It's not a song, but the title of Ben Lee's album Awake is the New Sleep drives me up the wall.
-- scriblerus (spike.lync...), September 29th, 2006. (mike lynch)

YES THIS IS THE WORST ARGH

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Friday, 29 September 2006 05:04 (nineteen years ago)

So he ran a long distance, but he never got away.

Isn't that what I originally said? Not to turn this into a non-funny version of Who's On First, but basically the premise of the chorus is that the protagonist ran in the opposite direction (aka away) of something, and ran far, far away, but in the end didn't run far enough away for whatever reason and was eventually overtaken. I don't really see anything gramatically unsound about it.

If we're nominating album titles, how about Taller In More Ways by the Sugababes? Or If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears by "The Mama's and the Papa's">, the one that apparently got away from the apostrophe police.

musically (musically), Friday, 29 September 2006 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

"And I ran, I ran so far away" is followed immediately by "couldn't get away," which implies that he didn't actually run away.

If anything, the song should be present tense (I run so far away) until it bangs into the startling realization: "I can not get away!"

-- Butt Dickass (butt.dickas...) (webmail), September 29th, 2006 2:40 AM. (Dick Butkus) (later) (link)


i thought it was intentional to emphasize how situation defies logical? standard efforts. it implies he didn't get away =really escape, even though he succeeded in distancing himself from it/person/place literally/geographically?/consciously but in some way just superficially.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 29 September 2006 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

i hope i'm not projecting

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 29 September 2006 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

Ummm... every single rap song EVER to thread.

blood bitch (blood bitch), Friday, 29 September 2006 06:34 (nineteen years ago)

ABC is usually so literate, so I was especially irked to hear Martin Fry sing, "Vanity kills, it don't pay bills." Maybe it was intentional, and a (misguided) attempt to sound more "street" (since the album from which the song comes was the band's "hip-hop" effort), but still. Plus, the line would have still scanned reasonably well with the right word.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Friday, 29 September 2006 06:46 (nineteen years ago)

Lay Lady Lay - rhyming ain't no excuse, Bob! Also in that new Keane Patrol song, "If I just lay here".

ledge (ledge), Friday, 29 September 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

'English Rose' by the Jam "...can ever keep me from she", is particularly annoying, because it carries such emphasis in the refrain & is repeated so often in the song.

bham (bham), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:03 (nineteen years ago)

The title of one of the songs on 'The Holy Bible' has a superfluous apostrophe.

"IfwhiteAmericatoldthetruthforonedayit'sworldwouldfallapart".

>_< >_< >_< AAAAAARRRRGHHH KILLKILLKILL HULK SMASH-

..... I *hate* that particular mistake.
seriously, thanks for reissuing that yet KEEPING THE APOSTROPHE IN THE REISSUE and having the crappy grammar referenced in the liner notes. AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHH indeed

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

The bloody chorus of Tori Amos' song "Winter"

"When you gonna make up your mind?
When you gonna love you as much as I do?"

...which just makes no sense at all to begin with.

(search YouTube for choice videos of teenagers lipsynching along)

Owen Pallett (Owen Pallett), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

Slightly OT (deserves a thread to itself); but y'know what I REALLY hate? Singers who stress the "wrong" syllable of a two-syllable word, just 'cause they can't think of a better way (lazy) to make it fit the song's meter. Like when Teena Marie sings:

To LIVE inside the MAJ-or not the MIN-or chord,
And
FOR-get how we MADE love in a '57 Ford

That should be "for-GET", not "FOR-get"! Totally unnatural sounding. Man, that irritates me! That could easily have been improved in a half-dozen ways, if she took a half-minute to think about it.

(Still a great song, tho.)

Monty Von Byonga (Monty Von Byonga), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

"Since many years I haven't seen a rifle in your hand"

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 September 2006 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think the Winter chorus kicks ass ninja style.

MRZBW (MRZBW), Friday, 29 September 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

incidentally: poor grammar in songs

Though it's not a grammar issue, per se, the various upthread mentions of narrator perspective will always make me think of the lyrics of 'Freelove Freeway' from 'The Office,' where Gervais ends the story of the guy who had a thousand women through his life crying because 'none of them was you'; and then he clarifies that the video would explain that the narrator is pointing to a photograph.

Please note that I am well aware that I managed to just suck the comedy completely and totally out of that great joke.

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 29 September 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

How about the Bronski's "Why" ?

line one: "Contempt in your eyes as I turn to kiss his lips"

later: "You and me together, fighting for our love"

Did he turn the first guy?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 29 September 2006 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

OK, none of these are nearly as annoying as "Let Forever Be," with its recurrent "How does it feel like?" Um....Noel...the expression is "How does it feel?" Failing that, "What is it like?" "How does it feel like" just crushes my ears every single time.

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 29 September 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and in "Oooh" by De La Soul when the guy is like "I rock in it, like the little ball inside the spray can - providing three coats for both child, woman, and man." Both = two. Child, woman and man = three. I CALL BULLSHIT

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Especially ironic because Mike Skinner is trying to sound intelligent

I thought he was trying to sound like a student!

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe he's trying to sound like he smokes too much weed

Rat Nasty (ratnasty), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

The line that Dylan supposedly bit from Timrod:

"More frailer than the flowers, these precious hours"

o. nate (onate), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Whom Do You Love

Lie Lady Lie

Etc.

Bonus points to John Melonwhatever for "I cannot forget from where it is that I come from."

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

The Decemberists - The Soldiering Life

Chorus:

"But I never felt so much life
than tonight, huddled in the trenches"

???

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Friday, 29 September 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

Stickwitu - Pussycat Dolls

"Nobody gonna love me better,
Ima stickwitu forever"

Ima? Uma? Oprah?

Sean Robison (yaratnam), Saturday, 30 September 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

Ten foot tall and the dentist stuck a needle in my arm.

Should be ten feet. And that's the only thing wrong with that.

Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Saturday, 30 September 2006 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

"She sure hates meat but sure likes the bone!"

I don't know if it is improper grammar as its just improper.

christopherscottknudsen (christopherscottknudsen), Sunday, 1 October 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

it'snot too bad grammar your an idiot

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 2 October 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

One that I don't particularly care about (both because it works w/in the song and because the "rule" that it violates is stupid): "What if God was one of us?" should be "What if God were one of us?"

One that makes me want to beat the shit out of people: that Get-Up Kids song where they sing something to the effect of "x VERSE y" rather than "x VERSUS y."

One that is, in fact, grammatically correct, but irritates me b/c it doesn't really seem to make sense: that Dispatch song where they describe "the General" as a "seasoned veteran in his own time." Seriously, what the fuck? I can't even begin to describe how little sense that sentence makes.

max (maxreax), Monday, 2 October 2006 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

System of a Down's 'Lonely Day' contains the refrain 'The most loneliest day of my life'. I'm still not sure if this is intentional or just stupid.

mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Monday, 2 October 2006 09:14 (nineteen years ago)


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