t/s: dave clarke vs james holden

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hard like fuck vs soft like poop

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 30 September 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Holden x 1000000

― Leopold Boom! (noodle vague), Saturday, 30 September 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

r u sure?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 30 September 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Dave Clarke. By a nose.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Saturday, 30 September 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

Not Holden's nose though, that's too big.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Saturday, 30 September 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

similarities

both wear ugly pants (leather trouser vs corduroy flare)

both have bad haircuts (egyptian hardman vs trustafarian mop)

both known for iconic mixes

dubious producer reputation based on a few good tracks

production perhaps outweighed by tastemaking / essential mix making

riff riff riff (reverb) riff riff riff (reverb) riff riff riff (reverb) etc etc

known for mixing trendy german dance w/ more functional UK prole dance

differences

influenced by gangster rap vs influenced by prog

psychotic personality vs "worthy" personality

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 30 September 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

popularized the style that killed techno
vs
popularized the style that ... ?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 30 September 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

based on tracks alone, though, dave clarke is WAY ahead, even if you throw in nathan fake and the MFA and the rest of the BC crew on holden's side.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 30 September 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

'hard like fuck', hahaha

― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Saturday, 30 September 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

who invented the super-swampy post-schranz 150-bpm ride cymbal infernos? thats the guy who killed techno, not Clarke

― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Saturday, 30 September 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry I was away. Holden, because although his body of work is patchy as fuck and his DJing seems boring and "prog" in a bad, bad way, his best remixes take that Trance-y template and prove that it can be vital and magical, like wave after wave of sound-froth washing up a beach made of individually handcrafted sand grains. And I've never heard anything of Clarke's that makes me feel like that, he's always been too aggro and boys-y.

― Leopold Boom! (noodle vague), Saturday, 30 September 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

what are the clarke tracks you like vahid, ive never been really been taken with any of his stuff, i can only really think of the terminally overrated red2 that sticks in the memory

― -- (688), Saturday, 30 September 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

red series overrated? basic channel w/ beats, innit

i really like southside, the compass, the wolf, and the red series (protective custody / wisdom the the wise / storm / thunder), the wiggle, way of life ...

not a bad run, right?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 1 October 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

clarkes got a 10 year head start doesn't he?

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Sunday, 1 October 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

more time to go out of style, more time for people to forget the shock of the new. it's even, i think.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 1 October 2006 02:45 (nineteen years ago)

ps aren't you supposed to be out at a doc martin show???

pps i was work from 7:45 am to 7:15 pm today and i go from 9 am to 6 or 7 tomorrow. i hate u.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 1 October 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

boo hiss to work.

doc martin is way later tonight!

i am hunting around for my copy of "southside" now.

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Sunday, 1 October 2006 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

dave clarke for wisdom to the wise, although i don't think it was much of a contest anyways

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 1 October 2006 04:57 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ deep dish 'dreams' remix coming on afterwards in itunes library

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 1 October 2006 04:59 (nineteen years ago)

that shit is such a let down and turned me off to uk house before it even had a chance

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 1 October 2006 04:59 (nineteen years ago)

Come on, Clarke's "Electro Boogie" mixes are better than anything Holden's ever done. Consider his techno stuff to be a bonus, if you must.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 1 October 2006 06:30 (nineteen years ago)

I've never seen Holden play but I've had some absolutely 100% killer times in the company of a Dave Clarke set. Holden's new album might be better than the last Clarke one, though

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 1 October 2006 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

Clarke is dead in the water.

the age of the techno behemoth thank god is gone.....

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 1 October 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

o rly?

― awesoma bin-laden (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 1 October 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

well...the age of the macho techno behemoth anyway!

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 1 October 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose if we factor in the sausage factor of the respective audiences Holden might fair somewhat better than I would originally have guessed. Although for me the whole BC thing is only occasionally succesful and Holden himself has an even worse batting average. Althought I can't really be fucked with Clarke any longer he had his day rather than his one track.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Sunday, 1 October 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

seriously

PROGGY TECHNO IS DEAD ... LONG LIVE PROGGY TECHNO

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 1 October 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

let's not forget clarke's obsession w/ the elements

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 1 October 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

ps re: "techno behemoths" ... dave clarke quotes GARGANTUA + PANTAGRUEL in "storm"!!!!

these word may cause wonder
but listen carefully to the distant thunder
"How each shall have his due.
This is their lot;
O he is worthy praise that shrinketh not!"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Sunday, 1 October 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

i still get chills every time i hear that mammoth dread-wave loom up in "red 2" (the only clarke track i know off the top of my head).. although he's one of those people i have felt i should like more than i actually do he still beats holden for me, just because i loved that style of music for way longer than i've loved holden's. it's "scene vs scene" for me i guess.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 1 October 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

so do people rate clarke's world service 2? i remember not liking the second electro-boogie mix, but that was quite some time ago. the first ones of both series are fantastic.

i think this is a good t/s despite the fact that clarke has the big advantage of being very popular at a time when techno (and dance music in general) was also very popular.

judging on commerical dj mixes alone i am calling it a near tie with holden having a slight edge because his sets aren't so "guy" oriented. debatable, i know.

judging by live sets, clarke wins hands down.

― josh. (disco stu), Monday, 2 October 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the first one is really good, but as for DJ sets I dunno, I've seen Dave Clarke about 10 times (no exaggeration), it's boring enough, I've heard these days he plays lots of Bodzin and Dahlback type records....they are fine in themselves but it's a bit lame him playing them, if that's actually true.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 2 October 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

i've never heard a DJ set from him that i really loved (though i've never seen him live), and i always go into it thinking "this is going to KILL!" - i'll take neil landstrumm

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

fourteen years pass...

wow how Blairite was dance music poptimism in the 00s, as if this was even a debate to begin with. https://www.discogs.com/label/1441-Magnetic-North?sort=year&sort_order=asc

― RobbiePires, Friday, 1 October 2021 19:06 (four years ago)

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