Oh, have the Darkness split up?

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Or will they carry on regardless?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

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― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently they're carrying on! Hooray!

― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

Surely Lordi have made them redundant.

― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

Who?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s2TfNlJ_nQ

― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

Irony:
hiding what is actually reality in order to obtain a desired oratorical or artistic effect; a favorite technique for London's social commentary.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

DOES NOT WORK ON INTERNET.

― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

DOES NOT WORK ON DULLARDS

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

they're carrying on without Justin?

Imagine a Gallagherless Oasis... I mean imagining Oasis as they are now is bad enough, but...

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

oh that is brilliant if true!

darkness w.o. justin!

but isn't his bro the guitarist?

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

so they're going to replace him with Mich Hucknall?

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

he obvious solution would be to get Ms Dyanmite as the new vocallist, kind of a blessed union of early 00s heroes, second album failure acts.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

according to the Sun, they're getting Ritchie Edwards (ie their new bassist) in as frontman.

i must admit to being slightly choked about all this, as i loved the first album and they were a great interview.

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

i'm trying to think if there is a worse band that ilm has (briefly) loved.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

no, stevie misspelled: richey edwards is going to be fronting.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

Top ten suggestions for Justin replacements:
1. Annie From Norway
2. MIA
3. Lily Allen
4. Kim Jong II
5. Spaceape
6. TV's Bradley Walsh
7. Cassie
8. Ciara
9. Blaze Bayley
10. TV's Caroline Quentin

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

One Way Ticket is outstanding. I almost can't say it sucks, because after the shitty reception that one got, I can't imagine them making an album that good again anyway.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

they should just get andrew wk to sing. and have him duet with annie. and have the avalanches produce. then everyone would be happy here.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

i think i said elsewhere it was totally unfair how the scissor sisters have been welcomed back while buckets of shit were thrown at ver darkkness last year.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the new Darkness bassist sing earlier this year live. If you guys want the voice of Lemmy in the body of Peter Garrett, then have at it. I'm jumping off the Darkness train, if that's the case, no disrespecting the new bassist.

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

This is because the Scissor Sisters are not ROCK (xpost).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

Zwan OTM.

Permission To Land : Cheap Trick/ s/t :: One Way Ticket : In Color

..to borrow Zwan's analogy.

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

I think most metal dudes who hate the Darkness got the idea that the band was making music for girls and/or people who don't take this kind of thing seriously. Which made them very jealous and angry. I kinda felt that way at first (I wanted pop-metal artists, not clowns, and a lot of the non-singles on Permission were blah), but the second album was so much richer that those kind of qualms just sound pathetic now.

I like the new Scissor Sisters (and I didn't feel the debut much), so yeah, it seems really fickle and random how they've been received. In America at least, I assumed the label (and the lack of hype they raised) had a lot to do with it. And yeah, that the Scissors never dared to intrude on rock dude territory.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

Scott actually made me a mixtape once of bands he thought were better than the Darkness. It was a lot of Abba-metal and stuff from 80s has-beens. I enjoyed it, but it was pretty devoid of foxiness (though I get that a lot of REAL metal fans don't like foxiness). Though, I played it for a metal fan friend of mine and he said (paraphrasing) "it's cute and all, but he's not really telling you the whole metal story," so I guess there's realer stuff out there.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

i just thought it was a horrible album. never heard the 2nd one though. the darkness, that is. not the scissor sisters.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

if you thought the darkness were foxy you are nutz.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah:
11. Graham Bonnet

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

If you kinda could handle the singles on the first one, you should hear the second. But if you're like Dave Queen and every note made you say "oh the Scorpions did this better," I wouldn't bother.

x-post they were foxier than anything on your mix!

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

unless clunky+lame+talentless = foxy (which could be some people's definition)

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't make you a foxy mix! do you want a foxy mix? i just made you a mix of crazy power metal bands. and all of them probably were better than the darkness. i can't remember who they were. even if they weren't foxy.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Graham Bonnet would actually be an improvement! As would Phil Mogg:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAuq0clQb58

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

I remember Foxy. They had a big hit with S-S-Single Bedy.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

See, the bands Darkness-haters list when they talk about "who's better than the Darkness" - like the ones you put my mixtape, scott - make me glad that the Darkness aren't actually trying to go for what those bands do.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

I think if the Darkness had referenced whatever genre Sweet was in, rather than METAL, they might be ignored by this crew the way the Scissor Sisters are.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

And yeah, that the Scissors never dared to intrude on rock dude territory.

i like the idea that they wanted to but were too SCAAAAREDY

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

i am a big Moxy fan too.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

anthony, the mix i made you was supposed to "fun" not "foxy". i never actually had a problem with the band. i had more of a problem with the "look metal is fun again!" press cuz i always have a problem with that stuff. just wanted to show that there was fun to be had elsewhere. and i never considered the darkness metal. more bad pub rock + bad queen moves. and if they had been great pub rock + great queen moves i would have been their biggest fan!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, I figured the press had a lot to do with the backlash. there are definitely some "great queen moves" on the second one (Roy Thomas Baker swooped in like a god, production-wise), so maybe you would like that after all.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

DID THEY EVER COVER NUMA NUMA

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

i think there is definitely a place for pub glam. but you need to at least reach the heights of the heavy metal kids or the doctors of madness at their worst for me to take you seriously. and as far as american 70's hard rock goes, the darkness never even reached the heights of roadmaster or trooper, let alone angel or starz.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

what the fuck are you, george smith?

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

i might like the 2nd album, but somehow i doubt it. dude's voice makes me cringe. which might be the biggest reason that i can't take their stuff.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

i am george's younger brother. murgatroyd.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Angel were great!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, as long as you didn't have to actually look at them!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

Here, Scott - turns out they DID make a video for one of the best songs on the album, I just hadn't heard about it: "Girlfriend". If you don't like this even remotely. You know you don't want to hear the rest.

(you might want to just LISTEN to this, rather than watch the video, if you hate their goofing around - or think that its sacrilige to the glory of the 20 bands from 1975 who did this kind of thing better)

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

if justin wants my love his next song/album/video will look/sound a LITTLE bit like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwpjBxDzqr0

talk about foxy!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

was that an x-post? I hope so.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

certainly not as foxy as rox:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKwrg-25_6Y

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

Hey scott, before you do the timewarp again, can you just clear up for me whether you posted the guy in tights jumping around to the disco strings AFTER I posted Justin Hawkins in tights jumping around to disco strings knowingly or not?

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

So anyway, they more or less reminded me of Zodiac Mindwarp, inasmuch as they wanted both sides of the cake i.e. "Irony" and "accepted for what they are"...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

How? How can the Darkness be splitting up? They were SAVIOURS OF BRITISH ROCK! And now the dream is over. How can that be? Why? WHY?!?

Sorry, I don't think I can cope with this.

― The Real Esteban Buttez (EstieButtez1), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

is it just me isn't bad. i just watched that one after their weird al video.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

"Hey scott, before you do the timewarp again, can you just clear up for me whether you posted the guy in tights jumping around to the disco strings AFTER I posted Justin Hawkins in tights jumping around to disco strings knowingly or not?"

no,i posted the disco guy before i checked out that video! and, yeah, i appreciate the disco-ness of the darkness song.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

It's funny I referenced George Smith without noting that One Way Ticket made his Pazz'n'Jop ballot, right below David Allen Coe. So there's a testimonial for ya.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

both chuck and george dig the darkness. i still love you all.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

So don't credit the fact that you've heard Zoonz Toonz' Booze 'N' Blooze from '76 for your antipathy! It's clearly not the issue.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

it's an issue that i can listen to stuff that i think is better and that life is short(ish). i don't really care when it was made.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Angel were great!

And their garments were very fine, too. And this is a record that is often more good than fair.

darkness never even reached the heights of roadmaster or trooper

I'm a fan -- I even had One Way Ticket on this week -- but sad to say, it's more true than not. Being dissed behind Trooper. Oh, the pain. Raise a little hell, raise a little hell, raise a little hell!

― Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

gallagher-less oasis would be ace. bring in mark gardener to replace noel, steve queralt to replace liam...oh, you get the picture... :-)

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

Surely ploughing on after your singer has left is part of the point of hair metal? Look at Iron Maiden.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

wtf does "foxy" mean in the context of this thread?

The thing that noone's pointing out here is how ridiculous it is that the Darkness dude is quitting the band because he had a coke problem and had to go into rehab. Didn't most of the bands he idolized/aped nurse drug coke habits for decades? And this guy burns out after two albums of that lifestyle?

I wonder how this guy that went from guitar tech to bassist to frontman in the space of a little over a year is feeling right now.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Well, Justin wasn't just the singer.. he also wrote the band's material too, played guitar, played piano and synth (at least live during the recent live shows.) This is actually more critical than when Roth left Van Halen, relatively speaking. (stressing "relatively" for all you Darkness haters)

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

He's still a lightweight.

― Doctor Jaggernathy (noodle vague), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

there is always wig wam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0iM56-EQ1s

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

There's B.I.M.!

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/coverv/77/227877.jpg

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

I think this news sucks, but it's better than hearing that Justin OD'd or something. I hope that Dan takes over as frontman, anyway.

Dave Queen = dickhead. WTF is that dick doing these days?

Let's just hope that The Darkness do an Iron Maiden, i.e. keep makin' awesome music even after the first lead singer leaves.

― GLC (ZakAce), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

Dave Queen = dickhead. WTF is that dick doing these days?

workin' it.

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

In my view they made a perfect rock record, then a coked-out, overcooked followup. The first is an achievement that doesn't happen much these days, so if that's it for the Darkness, it ain;t gonna break my heart.

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

The Darkness will first and foremost be remembered for making an entire new generation of kids get into Iron Maiden and Guns'n'Roses.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 12 October 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

I was there

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Thursday, 12 October 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Dropped by Atlantic!

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 13 October 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

Hardly a surprise. The Darkness without Justin Hawkins seems rather unmarketable to me.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 13 October 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

Of course, so they said about Depeche Mode without Vince Clarke too, but Daniel Miller gave them a second chance, and it appeared the doubters were wrong. But still....

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 13 October 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

My god they might a working class person to replace Justin. Should someone alert the authorities?

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Friday, 13 October 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

Justin was a working class person before the band, last I checked. (session musician for an ad design company or what not?)

Geir, your Depeche analogy is possibly the most pointless thing you've ever posted here, which is saying a lot.

Sorry Geir. I kid. Of course, we've said the same thing about Echo And The Bunnymen without Ian McCulloch too, but their company gave them a second chance, and it appear the doubters got to hear the shimmering classic that is Reverberation. Aren't we all better for that now?

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Friday, 13 October 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

I play it every day. The only other album I listen to as much is that first one the Doors did after Jim Morrison died and Ray Manzarek sang.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 October 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

I really liked the first album - seriously. As far as the whole "are they kidding or not" thing went, I was always under the impression that:

a) they put waaaaaaaaaaay too much effort into their music for it to just be a joke. Listen to that first hit again; Max Martin would kill to be able to cram that much bombast into a single,

and

b) the "ironic metal" packaging was something the band were told to do, i.e. "If we market you guys as a sendup you'll be seen as a hipster pastiche instead of as a dated anachronism, and people won't feel bad or silly about liking your music because they'll feel like they're in on the gag". (Never mind that there was no real gag to begin with...)

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 13 October 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

the "ironic metal" packaging was something the band were told to do

I saw their first London gig before they'd even been near a record company and I doubt that's the case. They were alert to the ridiculousness of what they were doing from day one.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

My god they might a working class person to replace Justin. Should someone alert the authorities?

Would work out just fine with a hair metal band, considering hair metal is hardly the most intellectual genre there is to begin with.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

(oh, i can't.. too easy.)

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Friday, 13 October 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

girlfriend is the best single of the last year

― pscott (elwisty), Friday, 13 October 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

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