deep house = yuppie music

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has it always been like this?

― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

tears before lunchtime.

― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.link.bo.it/programma/modylogo.jpg
DON'T BE MISLED!

― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

yuppies always follow teh gays

― PappaWheelie: Giving out breaks to the needy since September 25th, 2006 (PappaWh, Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/release/9909

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Deep house has grown up with us.

― I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

anything that won't interrupt a deep conversation over a mug of tea or glass of wine or piece of cheesecake or flan = yuppie music

― gear (gear), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

are people actually still worrying about what is or isn't "yuppie"? incredible.

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://mailjust4me.com/crafts/labelmaker.jpg

― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

tallis otm

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

...says the pink-sweater cape!

― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

flan = yuppie music

say it aint so

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

actually since yuppies like fleetwood mac and massive attack, it's all good with me. flan is awesome. i love the yuppies!

― gear (gear), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

fuck is wrong with flan?

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

fuck is wrong with this sentence?

― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

It always seemed to me that classifying something as deep house was pretty ellusive, at least it was eight or nine years ago, much in the same way of saying something is electro or minimal nowadays.

That said... whogivesafuck?

― yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

how do you feel about "electronica?"

― the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

kcrw, so much to answer for

― timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Is this Vahid bait?

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

pretty much all dance music sales in america are yuppie-oriented, because dance music "broke" in america through the efforts of mags like SPIN and Details, two yuppie rags if i ever saw one

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

and yes, the original chicago/detroit dudes are resolutely middle-class aspirational. in fact, i'd go so far as to say that ALL american pop music is resolutely middle-class aspirational, whether we're talking about rap or jazz or tin pan alley.

in fact, i'd even go so far as to say that dragging class politics into music discussion is

a) a lame holdover of punk-era discourse

b) primarily the work of class-obssessed white british music critics

c) a good argument for not letting fucking europeans on our message boards

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

VAHID DESERVES AN AWARD

xpost OTM

― trees (treesessplode), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

"i don't ever want to make too much money, because then the music i buy will have no soul" ; (

― gear (gear), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

b-b-but vahid, you just expounded (quite interestingly) on the class politics of american pop music; so why the vehement desire to squash it just when it was getting good?

also i fail to see what this has to do with "fucking europeans" on "our message boards" (and isn't ILM originally based in the UK?)

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to hear what more fezaffe has to say on this.

― matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

thank you for the smackdown vf

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

aren't most americans period "resolutely middle-class aspirational"? y'know the "dream", allegiance to the flag, all that bs?

― fade into goo (fandango), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

jess wrote something really good about this on that twee thread but I'm not sure I even care enough to copy and paste it, this thread already looks doomed.

― fade into goo (fandango), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

we're THIS close to our ilx boston tea party.

― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

i fail to see what this has to do with "fucking europeans" on "our message boards"

;-)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

"do the people who had more money than me in the eighties now have a refined taste in music that I can't understand"? Maybe! Who give a fuck? No one!

― blunt (blunt), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

i'm just shocked that philip shelburne does that b-b-b-b-but thing.

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

that's funny, so does philip sherburne

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

So did Daniel from Ladytron when I interviewed him for this one yuppie paper.

― A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

middle-clASS ASSpirational

― timmy tannin (pompous), Friday, 20 October 2006 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

what did i tell you about assonance and argumentation?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 20 October 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe music is like neighborhoods, so when the yuppies move in it gets to expensive and you have to move out?

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

― josh. (disco stu), Friday, 20 October 2006 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

six years pass...

http://www.mixmag.net/music/the-blog/stop-calling-it-deep-house

NO ~~GIRLS~~SWEAT ALLOWED

― Mind Taker, Friday, 23 August 2013 20:06 (twelve years ago)

round the wagons!

― s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 August 2013 07:51 (twelve years ago)

I dont like dumont or fitzgerald but that article is awful. I saw it on fb and was hoping it wouldnt be linked

― suare, Saturday, 24 August 2013 10:04 (twelve years ago)

There's no way I'm clicking on that.

― Wantaway striker (LocalGarda), Saturday, 24 August 2013 10:15 (twelve years ago)

'my beloved deep house'

― mmmm, Saturday, 24 August 2013 10:42 (twelve years ago)

ill informed youngsters, out-of-touch music retailers and wannabe bloggers are bandying signifiers around with infuriating abandon

BASTARDS

needs a Terre Thaemlitz refix tbh

― the arpeggio as will and idea (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 24 August 2013 10:46 (twelve years ago)

In fairness that ministry deep house comp is a real headscratcher.

― tsrobodo, Saturday, 24 August 2013 14:19 (twelve years ago)

um, guys, house is a feeling

― the tune was space, Saturday, 24 August 2013 15:28 (twelve years ago)

why do Mixmag readers care about genre names when they could be learning what drugs are "in" and how to take them?

― boxedjoy, Sunday, 25 August 2013 17:36 (twelve years ago)

otm

― s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Sunday, 25 August 2013 20:56 (twelve years ago)

1st LOL

Whether it’s a bass producer being lumped in with dubstep, a juke producer being categorised as future garage or Burial being heralded as the saviour of night bus

2nd LOL

there was no 2nd LOL

― the late great, Sunday, 25 August 2013 21:00 (twelve years ago)

sad LOL of recognition

Newcomers are welcome – deep house is not a closed off community only for the bearded and stuffy

― the late great, Sunday, 25 August 2013 21:06 (twelve years ago)

As a multi-instrumentalist from a young age, he was one of the first to bring a real sense of musicianship to stripped down, machine-made disco. By incorporating elements of the soul and jazz he grew up on, Heard unwittingly sophisticated and intellectualised the genre and, even though he probably didn’t know at the time, deep house was born.

deep house is a bourgeois construct imo

― the late great, Sunday, 25 August 2013 21:11 (twelve years ago)

great reading, would recommend

― the late great, Sunday, 25 August 2013 21:11 (twelve years ago)

I can't remember, did the repurposing of "garage" provoke as much angst? I suppose there are some key differences here.

Ironically US garage is a much more obvious reference point.

I'd be sad for this dude if he denies himself the pleasure of Rudimental's "Baby" out of loyalty to Heard et. al.

― Tim F, Sunday, 25 August 2013 21:58 (twelve years ago)

to answer your question: no

why? because serious listeners don't listen to garage

― the late great, Sunday, 25 August 2013 22:00 (twelve years ago)

Yeah that's what I suspected - it's not venerated in quite the same way is it.

― Tim F, Sunday, 25 August 2013 22:09 (twelve years ago)

I don't wanna disappear down a rabbit hole of overanalysis given but Heard unwittingly sophisticated and intellectualised the genre seems like a glaring contradiction. at the very least that dynamic depends upon a weird division of labor in which noble innovators know not what they do while savvy listeners and collector scum groove on a sophistication which they ascribe or project as much as they find within the objects they collect / venerate / geek out on.

― the tune was space, Sunday, 25 August 2013 22:16 (twelve years ago)

xp i'm tempted to say there probably are people who do venerate it that way but they're too old to blog

― the late great, Sunday, 25 August 2013 22:17 (twelve years ago)

Anyway just as a matter of observable fact it always sounds like Heard knew exactly what he was doing??

― Tim F, Sunday, 25 August 2013 22:24 (twelve years ago)

exactly, there's no need for "unwittingly" and it's kinda patronizing

― the tune was space, Sunday, 25 August 2013 22:25 (twelve years ago)

I suppose the writer was trying to avoid setting up Heard as a superior auteur vis a vis other producers but the way to do that is to remove words like "sophisticated", not rob people of agency.

― Tim F, Sunday, 25 August 2013 22:29 (twelve years ago)

Leaving aside any specific issues with this piece, I think one of the most interesting aspects of this populist UK "deep house" is the way it repurposes all of these erstwhile-connoisseurial impulses and adjectives for quick'n'dirty ends.

Even 12 months ago I was still persisting with this binary of UK dance as basically anti-deep - for my purposes on a strict sonic level but I guess you could bring in some social/conceptual binaries here as well.

So it's quite interesting to me to see the way that all these signifiers of deepness are now embraced and promulgated by this community.

― Tim F, Sunday, 25 August 2013 23:11 (twelve years ago)

Has that always been the case of UK dance as being anti-deep tho? I'd think of a lot of (mostly earlier) UKG and funky as being deep.

― s. cloverlandthug (The Reverend), Monday, 26 August 2013 00:37 (twelve years ago)

I think what you see with speed garage, 2-step and funky is the producer co-opting sounds previously deployed with an emphasis on deepness and very quickly stripping the deepness out of them.

To take funky as an example, sure the early signature tune was the Ferrer remix of "The Cure & The Cause" (a relatively "deep" US production, though not by full-blown deep house standards) but by the time UK funky was its own thing and you had producers like Apple, Swift Jay, Seani B et. al. making tunes any such deepness was fast dissipating - even slightly more US-reverent efforts like "Do You Mind" or Perempay's "Horizons" are more readily playing with signifiers of classiness than deepness - so much is evident from the first posts of the funky house sceptics thread where the doubters complain of its presets cheapness etc.

― Tim F, Monday, 26 August 2013 00:44 (twelve years ago)

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