TS: Mo Money Mo Problems vs California Love

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Both got to No.1 on the US Hot 100 and No. 6 in the UK, there may be other similarities.

― pscott (elwisty), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

"California Love"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

"California Love"!

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sick of "California Love", plus "Mo Money Mo Problems" has Ma$e sounding just like a kid whose been let into the studio with the adults. Especially that "Niggas didn't know me ninety one, bet they know me now" line.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

i'm also sick of california love, but i dig the 'so ruff' and ronnie hudson samples..

so, California Love

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

this is tough! both songs are awesome....maybe give it to california love for the ultramag sample, but still it's no easy win, mo money mo problems is great....biggie's verse is so great!

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

blow like hootie.

Mo Money

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

California Love

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

"Mo' Money, Mo' Problems" has Puffy and Ma$e on it, ergo the correct answer MUST be "California Love".

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

What you said.

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Now, who's hot who not
Tell me who rock who sell out in the stores
You tell me who flopped who copped the blue drop
Who jewels got robbed who's mostly Goldie down
to the tube sock, the same ol pimp
Mase, you know ain't nuttin change but my limp
Can't stop till I see my name on a blimp
Guarantee a million sales pullin all the love
You don't believe in Harlem World nigga double up
We don't play around it's a bet lay it down
nigga didn't know me ninety-one bet they know me now
I'm the young Harlem nigga with the Goldie sound
Can't no Ph.D. niggaz hold me down, Cooter
schooled me to the game, now I know my duty
Stay humble stay low blow like Hootie
True pimp niggaz spend no dough on the booty
And then ya yell there go Mase there go your cutie

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

"Mo Money" is more propulsive and that Mase verse is classic. Never mind "B-I-G P-O-P-P-A, no info, for the, D-E-A" aka the best verse opening line ever.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Roger Troutman > Ma$e

― Rodney... (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Ma$e doesn't do the hook for Mo Money though.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

DIANA ROSS vs. ROGER TROUTMAN

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

fake diana ross vs. roger troutman

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

federal agent mad cuz i'm flagrant
tapped the pad plus the phone in the basement

deej and dom might be winning me over to the mo money side.

...but actually i love pac's verse on california love

especially the "flossin but have caution we coh-liiiiide with other crews" line

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

Joe Cocker vs Nile Rodgers & Bernard Edwards

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

(chic wins that easy)

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

"Dressed in locs and khaki suits and ride is what we do" is pretty good though.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Dre's verse & beat on "California Love" are crazy large, but overall "Mo Money Mo Problems" takes it because you get two great verses, dramatic tension in the uplifting sample/downbeat subject matter, AND, FOR FUCKS SAKE:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5593/shinysuitsft0.png

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

locs and khaki suits > shiny suits

and Pac's verse is great too.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

california love

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

Mad Max outfits > Shiny suits

― Rodney... (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

California Love. The G-Funk version on the "All Eyez On Me" is great, whereas "Mo Money Mo Problems" is as awful as most sample based rap.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

"Mo Money Mo Problems" is as awful as most sample based rap.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

PSK?

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

One by one geir knocks em out.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

This is like trying to decide which of you're children you're going to save from a burning house.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

in the ilx '90s poll BIG and co came in at 70 whilst 2pac and Dre made it to 25

― pscott (elwisty), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE both of these songs. Fuck Puffy AND Pac up the ass. Nineties mainstream rap was the fucking worst.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

classic snrub

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

The G-Funk version on the "All Eyez On Me" is great,

NO IT FUCKING IS NOT.

Dammit Geir, I thought you were cool.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha

snrub you can't turn a melodic ho into a housewife

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

the only California Love you need

http://www.westworld.com/~lenmark/assets/images/Mike_Love.jpg

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

HOLY SHIT I LOVE BOTH OF THESE SONGS but in classic 90s fashion i will choose the one that represents the coast from which i hail:

MO MONEY MO PROBLEMS

(although i have nothing but respect for "in LA we wear chucks not bally's [that's right])

― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

in the ilx '90s poll BIG and co came in at 70 whilst 2pac and Dre made it to 25
That's because there are three or four BIG songs that could earn votes ("Juicy" finished higher, right?), but there's really only one 2Pac song that EVERYONE loves.

The beat on "California Love" basically makes it uncontestable, but I do love Mase's verse (honestly).

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

Mo Money. By a fucking mile.

― paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

"California Love" isn't even Pac's best single. I don't know how you can say it's the only one you can vote for. (To be fair, "Mo Money, Mo Problems" isn't Biggie's best either.)

― Rodney... (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 06:51 (nineteen years ago)

'mo money mo problems' but both = classic

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:30 (nineteen years ago)

they always play the less good version of 'california love' on tv, not the really good version.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:32 (nineteen years ago)

y got Hypnotize at 83 and Juicy at 35 but yeh thats all the 2pac on the list.

― pscott (elwisty), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:04 (nineteen years ago)

'california love' was tupac's only UK top ten hit (of his non-dead material) might explain absence of other stuff.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 08:10 (nineteen years ago)

Milo says that "California Love" was the only 2Pac track that everyone can agree on. Which i think is right.

I get the impression that people love "California Love" regardless of what they think of 2Pac, whereas people's attitudes to "Mo Money Mo Problems" seem to be more dependent on how they feel about Biggie, Puffy, Mase etc.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

lookin like i robbed liberace

i'm coming out

― pscott (elwisty), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't that a Spinners sample driving "California Love?" "Rubberband Man?"

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Love

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo_Money_Mo_Problems

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

Its a Joe Cocker sample

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Well actually I'm pretty sure its an interpolation of a Joe Cocker song and not the actual sample.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

The original recording of the song had Price saying "We want hen fap", a line later reused by Kanye West.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

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MO MONEY MO PROBLEMS

― gear (gear), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

Man Kenny that thread didn't go so well.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 27 October 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

not counting indecisive people it currently looks like;
mo money after a slow start moving into the lead with 13
and California love trailing just behind with 12

― pscott (elwisty), Friday, 27 October 2006 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

maybe it was just 'cuz I grew up on the east coast, but I had honestly never heard "California Love" until I went looking for it because of this thread. listened to it a couple times, and it doesn't seem like anything that special (the sample kinda annoys me, honestly). "Mo' Money, Mo' Problems", on the other hand, was and is totally classic.

― lookin' in my mirror, not a Jagger in sight (sixteen sergeants), Friday, 27 October 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

trailing just behind with 12

in that case CAL-I-FORNIA LOOOOOVE

xpost BOOO

― occasional mongrel (kit brash), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

Biggie :

Warning > Hypnotize > Juicy > Who Shot Ya? > One More Chance remix > Big Poppa > Sky's The Limit > Mo' Money, Mo' Problems > Party And Bullshit

2pac :

2 Of Americaz Most Wanted > How Do You Want It > California Love > So Many Tears > California Love remix > Made Niggaz > To Live And Die In L.A > I Get Around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other single he made >>>>> Changes

― Dimehitter Dwayne Hosey (dwaynehosey), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

after listening to "California Love" again and having it stuck in my head for the last two hours, I am willing to admit that it is a slightly closer competition than I initially thought. "Mo' Money" still wins, though.

― lookin' in my mirror, not a Jagger in sight (sixteen sergeants), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hypnotize > Juicy

WAHT

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 28 October 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

OTM w/Warning, but wtf

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 28 October 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

I am willing to admit that it is a slightly closer competition than I initially thought.

Sanity is returning.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 October 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

Went just now and listened to "California Love" to double-check on all this, and I have to say that I really don't see it as much of a competition; "Mo MOney" is SO fucking good, so energizing, SUCH great get-pumped-in-the-morning music that you really need to send in a champion of a jam to face it down. "California Love" has a solid beat and loops and all that type of thing, and I'll admit that it momentarily takes off for 2Pac's verse, but any song where Dre is rapping most of the time is going to have a real problem avoiding a certain leadenness. I bet it's fun to dance to, can't confirm as I've never heard it in a set. But I mean, "Mo Money Mo Problems" is far and away the best thing Puffy ever cut, the tempo is just right, it rides its sample as hard as it possibly can...fabulous.

Incidentally, that string of '97-ish Puffy singles really does deserve some reappraisal in the production department - he's definitely not just sampling obvious hooks and just leaving them there - I would much rather dance to "Been Around the World" than "Let's Dance," that's for sure...

― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 4 November 2006 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

mo money by a mile! still gets airplay in miami!

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 4 November 2006 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

but juicy kills em all

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 4 November 2006 04:36 (nineteen years ago)

now i'm in the limelight cuz i rhyme tight
time to get paid, blow up like the world trade

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 4 November 2006 04:37 (nineteen years ago)

BORN SINNER

― max (maxreax), Saturday, 4 November 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)

Juicy is the motherfucking jam.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 4 November 2006 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

i remember when i used to eat sardines for dinner

xpost

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

more research:

"Big Poppa" >>>>>>>> "California Love"

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 5 November 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

i wish i could remember what mase's big single sounded like! i wish i hadn't given that album away!

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 5 November 2006 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

2pac :

Hit 'Em Up, Life Goes On, Picture Me Rollin, there's a ton of other great 2Pac singles, you are insane

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

was mase's single Feel So Good? cuz that's a great song

― lemin (lemin), Sunday, 5 November 2006 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

it said something about bad boy?

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 5 November 2006 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

i was going to ask what song Feel So Good sampled if anyone knew but discogs told me it's "Hollywood Swinging" by Kool & the Gang. what great sampling.

― lemin (lemin), Sunday, 5 November 2006 06:03 (nineteen years ago)

listening to all these bad boy hits i think puffy really suffered under 1990s rockism.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 5 November 2006 06:13 (nineteen years ago)

nine months pass...

It's weird how Ma$e stumbles over his lines in the video, but apparently second takes aren't jiggy.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 13 August 2007 09:16 (eighteen years ago)

I'm Pac fan and I love 'California Love', but 'Mo Money' is kick-ass!

― Christyles, Monday, 13 August 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

KEEP YA HANDS HIGH

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

"Mo Money Mo Problems" but neither's anything special. I Love the Dough kills both.

― gabbneb, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

Natural Born Killas probably beats Mo Money Mo Problems too

― gabbneb, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

I mean "California Love" already sounded overplayed after just one listen!

haha

― gabbneb, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

neither's anything special.

bullshit

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

the Biggie stuff on Mo Money Mo Problems is great, but that's like 1/8 of the song

― gabbneb, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

it's way up there with "A Dream"

― gabbneb, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

"California Love" could never be overplayed. It is perfect. "Mo Money" is alright, but I've never been that much of a Biggie fan.

― The Reverend, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 03:00 (eighteen years ago)

"california love" is so much more awsome on headphones than i ever though i would be. after hearing it forever and ever (and nearly exclusively) during drunken parties, i was kind of astounded by how deep and nuanced the beat/production is when i listened to it on headphones for the first time.

― Jordan Sargent, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 03:16 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Mo Money Mo Problems is probably one of my favorite songs.

Also:

blow like hootie.
Mo Money

YES!

― ENBB, Sunday, 3 May 2009 00:32 (seventeen years ago)

this is so hard

i guess it depends on my mood - aggressive, fuck off mood = cali love - relaxed, ecstatic mood = mo money

if i had to pick one i think itd be cali love

the mo money beat is so glistening tho and "stay humble, stay low, blow like hootie" has given me srs inspiration~~

― zone 6 polar bear (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 3 May 2009 00:42 (seventeen years ago)

"California Love" is probably my least favorite of the g-funk megahits, and Pac had a bunch way better singles. "Mo Money" i can rock with always, though.

"stay humble, stay low, blow like hootie" has given me srs inspiration~~

someone's getting entirely too comfortable with Ethan being gone

― i heart sucka MCs (some dude), Sunday, 3 May 2009 00:47 (seventeen years ago)

hahaha

rly tho i think it's a dope line - in fact i kind of dislike mase but that whole verse is great

― zone 6 polar bear (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 3 May 2009 00:52 (seventeen years ago)

california love is unstoppable, i think it all comes down to that "& of 4" lope in the keyboards

― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Sunday, 3 May 2009 00:53 (seventeen years ago)

yea this isnt that hard 4 me - cali love <3<3

― johnny crunch, Sunday, 3 May 2009 01:02 (seventeen years ago)

mo money w/o a doubt

― mark cl, Sunday, 3 May 2009 04:32 (seventeen years ago)

never really liked cali love tbh

― mark cl, Sunday, 3 May 2009 04:33 (seventeen years ago)

mo money is so fresh

― mark cl, Sunday, 3 May 2009 04:33 (seventeen years ago)

Mo Money by a long, long way. True that Biggie's verse is the only good one, but the way the song makes you wait for it is perfect.

― Mark, Sunday, 3 May 2009 15:12 (seventeen years ago)

not true. ma$e's verse is awesome.

can't imagine a situation in which i had the choice of listening to either of these and put Cali Love on. Tupac is probably listening to Mo Money right now in Goa, or a KFC in Iowa, wherever he ended up.

― special guest appearance (Roberto Spiralli), Sunday, 3 May 2009 15:25 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, Ma$e is pretty good on this! Love the way he tumbles through all this:

You tell me who flopped who copped the blue drop
Who jewels got robbed
who's mostly Goldie down to the tube sock

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 3 May 2009 15:45 (seventeen years ago)

Both absolutely meaningless crap, of course, but I liked the "Thunderdome" inspired video for "California Love."

― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 3 May 2009 16:15 (seventeen years ago)

four years pass...

perfection

― j., Sunday, 16 February 2014 21:26 (twelve years ago)

two years pass...

milo curtis is crazy young and basically just listens to the cure and peter murphy on headphones all the time - i buy his story.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:41 PM (ten years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this post has been popping in my head everytime i've seen the "your 10 favorite albums as a teenager" thing on fb

― example (crüt), Friday, 13 January 2017 03:30 (nine years ago)

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