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Hello. I want to get hold of some of the output these guys did without spending an absolute mint to do so. I would also like to know any info on them. They were from LA, late sixities ans have had stuff on Edsel. However this info might be wrong. Please help any info is better than no info.

monstatruk, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The United Sons Of America

Personnel: GERRY BLAKE keyb'ds, vcls A RICHARD FREEMAN gtr A MIKE HUESTIS drms, perc A JERRY RITCHEY bs A STEVE WOODS vcls, perc A

ALBUM: 1(A) GREETINGS FROM U.S. OF A. (Mercury SR 61312) 1970

Probably a Californian group, their album is an efficient mixture of psych and prog with good guitars and keyboards and in the same vein as English groups a la Spooky Tooth. The album came housed in a "Post Card like" sleeve.

(Stephane Rebeschini)

The United States of America

Personnel: JOSEPH BYRD electric harp, keyb'ds A B C DOROTHY MOSKOWITZ vcls A B C MICHAEL AGNELLO A STU BROTMAN bs A GORDON MARRON electric violin B RAND FORBES bs B CRAIG WOODSON drms, perc B

ALBUMS: 1(A) THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (Columbia CBS 9614) Mar. 1968 181

NB. (1) reissued on Edsel (ED 233) 1987 and also reissued on CD (Edsel EDCD 541) 1997. There was also a 1992 Sony CD reissue with two bonus tracks.

As Joe Byrd (and The Field Hippies): 1 THE AMERICAN METAPHYSICAL CIRCUS (Columbia CBS 7317) 1969

NB: (1) reissued on CD (One Way A-26792) 1996.

Joe Byrd, who master-minded this group of experimental Californian musicians, was born in Louisville, Kentucky. He is a descendant of the famous Byrd family of Virginia and he grew up in Tucson, Arizona. During high school years, he played in country-and-western and pop music bands, but by the time he entered the University of Arizona he had begun playing vibes with a jazz group.

After graduation, Byrd received Stanford University's Sollnit Fellowship for graduate study composition. But Byrd chose to split for New York, where he had already begun listening to electronic music and meeting far-out Berkeley composers.. While there, he worked as a conductor, arranger, teacher and assistant to critic-composer Virgil Thompson. It was during this era that he developed his interest in experimental music and his works were often performed abroad.

Influenced by events in California in the late sixties, he decided to quit New York and head for the University of California at Los Angeles. Here he worked as a teaching assistant, also finding time to study acoustics, psychology and Indian music. He eventually dropped out of UCLA to work full-time on his musical enterprises, putting together The United States Of America, whose other main asset was vocalist (and Byrd's ex-girlfriend) Dorothy Moskowitz, who possessed possibly one of the most attractive singing voices in rock. Other original members included political radical Michael Agnello and bassist Stu Brotman but both left before the band signed to Columbia with Brotman joining Kaleidoscope.

The group's sole album was erratic but often brilliant, with Byrd and Moskowitz writing most of the music and lyrics between them. Opening track, The American Metaphysical Circus parodied Sergeant Pepper and the unusual, but commercial I Won't Leave My Wooden Wife For You, Sugar became well known here in England by virtue of its inclusion on the CBS compilation The Rock Machine Turns You On.

Overall the album was one of the most successful attempts to marry experimental electronic music, with rock lyrics. Instruments used included a Durrett synthesizer and Tom Oberheim's ring modulator, an electic violin and an unfretted bass. The beauty of the lyrics was matched by the excellence of Moskowitz's voice on tracks like Cloud Song and Love Song For The Dead Che.

Other tracks like The Garden Of Earthly Delights, which was also included on The Psychedellc Dream compilation and Coming Down appear drug-inspired:

'Poisonous gardens, lethal and sweet Venomous blossoms Choleric fruit deadly to eat Violet nightshades, innocent bloom Omnivorous orchids Cautiously wait, hungrily loom You will find them in her eyes, In her eyes, In her eyes' (from Garden Of Earthly Delights)

I think it's over now, I think it's ending I think it's over now, I think it's ending A thought of coloured clouds all high above my head A trip that doesn't need a ticket or a bed And everything is smelling sweeter than the rose' (from Coming Down)

The album is a minor collectors' item but has also been reissued. It climbed as high as No. 181 in the U.S. Album Charts when it was first released. The cover was originally planned to be an American flag dripping with blood but, understandably, Columbia bailed out of the idea.

Live, the band played an exact reproduction of the album but had trouble getting suitable gigs. One, in which they were paired with The Troggs, was an unmitigated disaster and they also had an ill-tempered coupling with The Velvet Underground (in fact, after leaving the Velvets, Nico tried to join the USA). In addition, tension between bandmembers was rife, with Byrd, who the album's producer David Rubinson describes as "one of the most insane examples of control freak that I've, to this day, ever experienced", attempting fruitlessly to dictate policy to the other strong personalities in the band. Every rehearsal became, in Byrd's words, "group therapy". When three of them were busted for marijuana at a gig in Orange County, California, only Byrd and Moskowitz remained and they soon split into two factions with each leading their own group.

After the group split, Byrd made a further album with a bunch of 12 musicians called The Field Hippies. Although not as successful as The USA album, this was a strange voyage into the world of mystical and quasi-religious music. Once again he found three female vocalists - Susan de Lange, Victoria Bond and Christie Thompson - with seductive voices. The lyrics often paralleled themes on the earlier album.

'Waitin' to die for the seventeenth time Etched on a mirror in the back of your mind Trapped on a mountain nobody can climb You can't ever come down...' (from You Can't Ever Come Down)

Susan de Lange's beautiful rendering of Moonsong-Peloc paralleled the Cloud Song on the earlier album. Victoria's beautiful Patriot's Lullaby was in similar vein, but unfortunately most of the material on side 2 failed to again the same standard.

Today, Joe Byrd is a recognised composer and arranger who plays electronic music, organ, electric harpsichord and, occasionally, calliope. In 1975 he released a synthesizer albums, Yankee Trancendoodle and followed this with Xmas Yet To Come in 1980.

Compilation appearances include: The Garden Of Earthly Delights on Psychedelic Dream: A Collection of '60s Euphoria (Dble LP

Poops Mcgee, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Rock groups are supposed to be hatched in garages and inner-city lofts, not the upper reaches of academia. That wasn't going to stop Joseph Byrd, experimental composer and ethnomusicologist from the UCLA New Music Workshop, from devising a plan in 1967 to approach rock'n'roll from the opposite direction.

Byrd, who had frequented avant-garde circles since hanging around with Terry Riley, LaMonte Young, and Virgil Thomson in the early '60s, used the United States of America to bring cutting-edge electronics, Indian music, and "serious" composition into psychedelic rock and roll. The group's sole, self-titled album in 1968 was a tour de force (though not without its flaws) of experimental rock that blended surprisingly melodic sensibilities with unnerving blasts of primitive synthesizers and lyrics that could range from misty romanticism to hard-edged irony. For the relatively few who heard it, the record was a signpost to the future with its collision of rock and classical elements, although the material crackled with a tension that reflected the United States of America itself in the late '60s.

By mid-1968, the grand experiment was over. Conflicting egos, a drug bust, and commercial pressures all contributed to a rapid split. The United States of America may have had their roots in the halls of higher learning, but ultimately they were prey to the same kind of mundane tensions that broke the spirit of many a band that lived and died on the streets.

From the time Byrd founded the band in Los Angeles with colleague Michael Agnello, says singer Dorothy Moskowitz, "group dynamics were never a strong point in the USA." Moskowitz, Byrd's ex-girlfriend, had a background in writing and performing for musical theater. She moved from New York to California to join the group and, as she puts it, provide "the requisite schmaltz." Bassist Stu Brotman, once of the stunningly eclectic L.A. psychedelic group Kaleidoscope, was also an early member.

But he and Agnello were gone by the time the group began recording for Columbia. Agnello, a radical sort, was arguing with Byrd over leadership of the band, and not sure the act should even be signing to a record label in the first place. "When you ask why the group broke up, well, why did the group even record after it broke it up?" points out Moskowitz.

Yet the lineup that cohered for the album brought impressive credentials to the table. Electric violinist Gordon Marron expanded the instrument's parameters with a divider that could raiser or lower it an octave, as well as tape echo units and ring modulators. Rand Forbes played an unfretted electric bass, and drummer Craig Woodson would tinker with his sound in unusual ways, attaching contact microphones to his set and suspending slinkies from cymbals to get a musique-concrete effect. Ed Bogas added organ, piano, and calliope.

Most of the material was penned by Byrd and Moskowitz, the latter of whose alto delivered the lyrics -- which are alternately evocative and foreboding -- with a cool precision reminiscent of an icier Grace Slick. Byrd was chiefly responsible for the electronic textures that would provide the album with its most distinguishing characteristics. This was 1968, remember, when synthesizers had rarely been employed on rock records. What Byrd crafted were not simulations of strings and horns, but exhilarating, frightening swoops and bleeps that lent a fierce crunch to the faster numbers, and a beguiling serenity to the ballads. Byrd had crucial help in his endeavors from Richard Durrett, who designed the Durrett electronic music synthesizer used by the band, and from Tom Oberheim, who pioneered the use of the ring modulator employed by the USA. Nico, Moskowitz has recalled, tried unsuccessfully to join the band, after leaving the Velvet Underground.

Add to this mix a fascination with modal playing and Indian music. Byrd and Moskowitz were serious students of North and South Indian music, and had already made little-known contributions to a Folkways LP of Indian music by Gayathri Rajapur and Harihar Rao, recorded in 1965. Country Joe & the Fish, the Doors, and others were opening the gates for modal playing in rock and roll, and the USA were one of the first ones through; Frank Zappa had also opened the possibilities for incorporating ideas from contemporary composition into a rock format. And then there was Byrd's application of concepts from Charles Ives, which simulated marching bands moving from opposite sides of the stereo spectrum...

Was it all too much to fit into one album? "As a whole, the album does not have a coherent, unified vision," declares Moskowitz, who now lives near Oakland, California, where she composes music for both adult and children's theatrical events in the San Francisco Bay area. "Joe had vision, but by hiring all these interesting people, it had to be diluted. Everybody had to have their say. I'm told that someone took the album to Apple Records. The Beatles listened to it and asked, 'Which is the band?' If you listen to each song, it's almost like a variety show.

"Today you would say, it's a cultural blending of avant-garde music, of elements of Indian music. If you asked me back then, I'm not sure what we were doing. That might have been the basic charm of the group. We were charting territory for which their were no names."

Recording the electronics in particular proved a challenge for both the band and their producer, David Rubinson, who remembers, "The ring modulator and the volt-control oscillators and voltage control filters -- they didn't come in a set, like they did in a Moog. You had to build each one -- which they did -- and actually hard-wire them together. It was an eight-track album. So all that synthesized stuff was painstakingly layered in, sound by sound, one oscillator at a time. Now you may get a bank of oscillators and you can run six, eight, twelve of them in a row, and make all kinds of wonderful waves, shapes, and it can be very complicated. But at that time, it was not possible.

"It had one oscillator, one ring modulator, one voltage control filter -- that's it. It looked funny. It was like aluminum boxes, little knobs sticking out, and patch cords. And it was very exciting to me, because it was a marriage of a lot of what was happening in what people called classical music at the time. When people think about what Steve Reich was doing then, and Terry Riley was doing then, and what Joe Byrd was doing then, it was very, very similar in different areas."

Aside from the even more obscure San Francisco group Fifty Foot Hose, the United States were virtually alone in their attempts to combine psychedelic rock with cutting-edge electronics. The very fact that the equipment was so primitive, however, lent a spontaneous resonance and warmth that has rarely been achieved by subsequent synthesizer technology. Listen to "Hard Coming Love," for instance, where the oscillations seem to be launching into outer space from an Olympian-sized swimming pool. Moskowitz's voice was also run through electronic filtering at times to give it a particularly eerie quality.

In Dorothy's opinion, "Synthesizers in those days were so unpredictable -- that was part of their appeal. You didn't know what was going to happen! So you'd turn on the volume -- you'd get a 'squawk,' or you might get a 'bleep.' It didn't really matter, so long as you were playing in rhythm. And that was very exciting. So you'd go 'bling, bling,' and that became part of the rhythm track. Nowadays, you can pretty much pre-program the precise 'ping' or 'click' you want. Back then, the limited technology didn't allow for the kind of options we have now.

"In the mid-'60s, a synthesizer was considered an instrument on its own terms, not a means of duplicating the sound of something else. It expanded the palette and gave the music a dangerous edge. It certainly did lend a richness."

Columbia balked at a plan to use an album cover of, in Rubinson's words, a flag with blood dripping from it (Moskowitz doesn't remember the illustration as being quite so blatantly anti-Establishment). The LP was eventually issued with more standard band photographs, in a plain manila wrapper with a stamp that declared, "United States of America -- Top Secret." Onstage, according to Rubinson, the band "reproduced the album exactly." So when it came time to go on the road and bring the USA to the real USA, playing the music was not the chief problem. The greater problem was finding a sympathetic audience for such an unusual act.

At such venues as Washington, D.C.'s Corcoran Gallery, the band felt in their element. It wasn't as easy playing for audiences that expected out-and-out rock and roll, like the one that gave the group the thumbs-down on an ill-fated pairing with the Troggs. The USA also played once with the Velvet Underground, which seemed like a more copacetic match, although Moskowitz has related how the Velvets knocked over the USA's amplifiers as they were going offstage.

Tensions within the group escalated into a backstage fistfight between Byrd and Marron at one of their most high-profile gigs (at New York's Fillmore East). "Joe Byrd was one of the most insane examples of control freak that I've, to this day, ever experienced," observes Rubinson. "At that time, I was in my twenties, and I wasn't the easiest person in the world to get along with either, I guess. But he was really bizarre, and a very, very difficult person to deal with. So there were constant personality conflicts in and among the band. People quitting, people getting replaced, arguments, yelling about intonation, and so forth. They were very talented people, and I don't think they liked being dictated to. But he had a vision of what he wanted."

The final straw, as far as the lineup from the first album was concerned, was at a gig in Orange County, California, in which three of the members were busted for marijuana, leaving Joe and Dorothy to complete the show with help from the support act. And Rubinson didn't like the direction in which the United States of America were going.

"The band started off as a completely revolutionary, anti-authority, nihilistic group. Whatever they wore, whatever they wanted to do, it was the opposite of patriotic. It was supposed to be an anarchist kind of group, to do everything possible to rub the wrong way. To take no conventions seriously. They became less anarchistic and less different, and submitted material which was kind of ordinary."

In a letter to Richard Kostelanetz that was reprinted in Kostelanetz's book The Fillmore East, Byrd states that he started the band "as an avant-garde political/musical rock group," with the intention of combining electronic sound, musical/political radicalism, and performance art. "The idea was to create a radical experience. It didn't succeed. For one thing, I had assembled too many personalities; every rehearsal became group therapy. A band that wants to succeed needs a single, mutually acceptable identity. I tried to do it democratically, and it was not successful."

Moskowitz offers a different perspective on the clash between Byrd and Rubinson: "[David] didn't like the fact that Joe hired studio horn players, and that we all of a sudden lost our pure sound. He thought we were attempting a slickness, and he didn't like it. I didn't care either way, because the original album had syrupy movie theme music, if you notice. To me, the intent of the US of A was to pull from different genres. That was the excitement. If Byrd wanted to use horn players doing Motown licks -- no problem!

"But Joe heard him grumbling. And his response was, 'Let's get rid of Rubinson.' Although I didn't agree with David aesthetically, I felt loyal to him. He was, after all, the one who had put us on the map. Joe might have been well-advised to step back and ask, 'What would you rather I do here?' But no, there was this arrogant angry reaction between the two of them."

The US of A split into two factions, one being Joe Byrd & the Field Hippies. Moskowitz' group was, in her words, "a very mild-mannered, non-electric band. Too mild." When the Field Hippies recorded their only LP for Columbia -- which was a rather uninspired effort with the odd tune that was obviously aiming for a USA-type feel -- there was one last chance to reunite the Byrd-Moskowitz partnership.

"I got a call about three months later, after the breakup from Joe's producer," says Dorothy. She remembers being told, "'The instrumentation is wonderful, the songs are great, the singers are not [that good]. And we listened to your demo, and the singing is really nice, but the people you put together are just sub-standard. Why don't you come back, and work again together?'

"I was too angry. I was too leery. I had been with Joe romantically in the early '60s, and I had been with him professionally in the mid-'60s, and I was tired of dealing with tension and being the moderator. I was on his side aesthetically. I was not very happy with the way he conducted his personal affairs. In terms of fame and fortune, it might have been the wrong decision. But the fact that I'm sitting here in this lovely suburban house, with a fine family..." She pauses, and smiles. "I guess I'm glad I got away from it, more or less intact."

Recommended Recording:

The United States of America(1968, Columbia/Legacy). Now on CD with two extra cuts, this remains one of avant-rock's greatest moments. But not at the expense of good songs, whether driving rockers ("Hard Coming Love," "Garden of Earthly Delights") or ethereal ballads ("Clouds," "Where is Yesterday," and the wonderfully titled "Love Song For the Dead Che").

Poops Mcgee, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

did you write those poops? if not, who did and where are they from?

mark s, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Borderline Books is the top thing, I think.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Here ya go:

Fuzz, Acid & Flowers: American Garage, Psychedelic & Hippie Rock 1964- 1975, edited by Vernon Johnson

http://www.bor derlinebooks.com/us6070s/fuzz.html

Alex in SF, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What's the second thing?

Alex in SF, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Many thanks this is ace

monstatruk, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I only know the USA track on that 'Rock Machine' comp mentioned above - it's pretty average sixties psych whimsy w/ the odd whooshing synth bleat and a nice brass band coda. It sounds a bit like Van Dyke Parks crossed w/ the Silver Apples, except that the lyrics are really crappy and the singing is nothing much. Minus points for the electric violin, also...

Andrew L, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think this album's great & the 'uninspired' Joe Byrd & The Field Hippies LP is just as good or even BETTER.

duane, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

naw, i didn't write them they are off of Google.

Poops Mcgee, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

http://www.richieunterberger.com/united.html

Poops Mcgee, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Threads like this make me want to say things like:

I love I Love Music.

mt, Thursday, 4 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two years pass...
I was pretty surprised that the 10 bonus tracks on the reissue of the album are nothing but incredible. Drenched in organs but light as a feather, it makes me like the band even more.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Sunday, 16 January 2005 10:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Saw the reissue in a shop the other day, but didn't buy it after noticing that most of the bonus tracks are demos/alternate versions of the LP tracks I've already heard. But worth it, then? I absolutely love this album.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't bought the reissue because I have the LP, but when it came out, the guy at the store told me that the extra tracks were of equally high quality. There's also a 7" of two songs not on the reissue that you can only order thru Sundazed that I'd be curious to know anyone's opinion on.

Vic Funk, Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

We were all just listening to the album at Nick and Sarah's house last night. From the kitchen it sounded like Broadcast!!

jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Vic, I got that 7" at a shop here in New York (Kim's on st. Mark's) and it's pretty good. But I never really listen to 7"s... that's more a personal problem, though. I didn't notice that those tracks weren't on the CD reissue. Interesting.

Ian John50n (orion), Sunday, 16 January 2005 20:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I was very cautious about buying this reissue yet again, but the bonus tracks are actually really worth it. It's like a lost mini-album. The alternative versions of the album tracks are breezier than the album, and are mostly guitarless.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Broadcast are rather um.. influenced by the United States of America. that's to say they blatantly rip them off from every direction possible.

debden, Monday, 17 January 2005 10:15 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah it's high time i heard this really, given how much i love teh Cast (not John Power)

Stevem On X (blueski), Monday, 17 January 2005 10:21 (nineteen years ago) link

The United States of America LP is a spectacular album. "cloud song" is some of the most blissed out psych of the 60's... what an album.

sun_blindness, Monday, 17 January 2005 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i like Broadcast, but the USA/Broadcast thing is one of those unfortunate pairings of old band and new band where knowing the magisterial ancestor really diminishes the work of the contemporary band. Broadcast are good, but they will never write something as spectral and poignant as 'Love Song for the Dead Che'

debden, Monday, 17 January 2005 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link

its only really the first track on the album that broadcast rip off though.
download al stewarts 'turn into earth' if you want to hear even more blatant 'cast liftage!

zappi (joni), Monday, 17 January 2005 11:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i still might give the edge to the field hippies record. although they are both great. and it might be a tie between the first side of the field hippies record and the first side of that first white noise album (another broadcast fave.). i have been debating getting the usa reissue for the extra stuff too, but there is always other stuff that i need more.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 January 2005 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

So that's an acknowledged comparison then? Amateurist said it kind of out of the blue, and we were all like OMG you're right.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 17 January 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Love this album...one of my top ten "sole" LPs ever.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"So that's an acknowledged comparison then?"

yeah... it's pretty much acknowledged that one of things that binded broadcast early on was a huge love for US of A and that whole scene. it's not like us of a is the only band or set of musicians to sound like that in that time period.

i've had the original LP for a while... great stuff. got this for the bonus stuff and was equally pleased, even tho some of it is just reworkings.

m.

msp (msp), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

still might give the edge to the field hippies record. although they are both great. and it might be a tie between the first side of the field hippies record and the first side of that first white noise album (another broadcast fave.)

The second side of the Field Hippies record is absolutely fucking DIRE

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

am i being mistaken for amateurist here? please, he's the other verbose and overconfident guy who writes in lower case

debden, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know, did you sneak into N/A and Sarah's kitchen on Saturday night when we were listening to this record?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

actually... yes.

i thought i'd gone unnoticed. i swear it wasn't me who stole off with the microwave, however

debden, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
I think I'm in love. Some of my favourite groups (Cornelius/Flipper's Guitar, The Shortwave Set, Portishead) are either openly influenced, fans, or can be considered part of their lineage. I've been listening to them and Broadcast over the past few days and frankly, the comment on Discogs about Broadcast being a good "gateway band" is spot on - at some point, the USA completely took over my Broadcast listening.

I'd like to get my hands on the extended reissue by means fair or foul and would love to hear the Byrd album and some Silver Apples - I'm on a massive psych tip this summer and I'm fiending.

BARMS, Monday, 20 June 2005 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
revive

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

They ripedoff Broadcast.

Fuckers.

PappaWheelie B.C., Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

The Mum & Dad record Marcello and I love so much is probably far more plagiaristic of this record than Broadcast's entire oeuvre.

BARMS, Thursday, 29 September 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I might like the Joe Byrd & The Field Hippies album more than I like the USA album, and that's saying quite a lot actually. As good a vocalist as Dorothy was, I think I might like Susan & Victoria better; the vocals to "Moonsong: Pelog" are heavenly. I also like the way this album gives more room to Joseph's arrangements.

Isn't it also supposed to be a concept album about some dystopian future?

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link

My guitar teacher went to UCLA when these guys did and may have known them. He remembers those early synths and goofing around with them.

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 04:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Moonsong: Pelog is my fave as well.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

a fantastic album.
i didn't even know it had been reissued with 10 extra tracks, i must find that one immediately!

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 11:01 (eighteen years ago) link

(they're mostly alternate takes, demos, etc. but enjoy anyway!)

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

bbbBut the second side of Joe Byrd and the Field Hippies is so...dumb!
It's a long way to fall from the highs on the first side.
Just don't ever buy Yankee Transcendoodle.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

the second side is awesome, dude!! the sing along song!!!!

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not very long.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

The first album is such a wonderful record to throw on during an overcast day.

Display Name, Friday, 4 April 2008 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Never heard the s/t album until right now -- holy crap, this stuff is amazing.

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Saturday, 8 October 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

It is! And this thread just learned me there's a reissue with 10 new songs o_O

Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 8 October 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

Some of them are alternate versions of songs on the original album. The 20-song reissue is on Spotify.

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Saturday, 8 October 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

'The Garden Of Earthly Delights' = wonderful. I love this record.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 13 January 2013 01:46 (eleven years ago) link

Long time USA fan here.

My fave by them (which is a different style from most of their stuff) is this Beatle-esque track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L11Mh5kSOnc

kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:25 (eleven years ago) link

Great album, sometimes 60s psych doesn't translate well to the LP format but this is strong pretty much all of the way through

Gouty_Ted, Sunday, 13 January 2013 10:03 (eleven years ago) link

Very short lived band, you can see how long the recording line-up lasted from looking at the dates of the bonus material on the Sundazed cd.

That Sundazed cd comes with better sound than the older Edsel version. Plus the bonus tracks. Doesn't have the lyrics printed as earlier versions did, but does have an interview with Byrd.

I'm not as familiar with the Joe Byrd and the Field Hippies recording but I think the s/t USA is pretty essential in its Sundazed version.

Stevolende, Sunday, 13 January 2013 11:10 (eleven years ago) link

Oh & I kept getting tracks from the White Noise lp an Electrical Storm popping up on random on my walkman, not knowing who it was and thinking it sounded a lot like them so that might be a close parallel if you're looking for similar music.

Stevolende, Sunday, 13 January 2013 11:12 (eleven years ago) link

Fifty Foot Hose from San Francisco were kind of similar, too.

timellison, Sunday, 13 January 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

45 years old today and still sounding psychedelic.

nonightsweats, Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:31 (eleven years ago) link

Album of early Joseph Byrd compositions was reviewed in the last issue of Wire, anyone mentioned it on ILM?

.... the rest look like Dudley Sutton (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 March 2013 13:42 (eleven years ago) link

was listening to early 70's country joe album yesterday and i never noticed that dorothy is on it. great record. paris sessions.

scott seward, Thursday, 7 March 2013 13:49 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

Teriffic record here.

we must live with the baroness (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 14 June 2013 06:25 (ten years ago) link

yes. especially love "Love Song For The Dead Che"

ttyih boi (crüt), Friday, 14 June 2013 06:26 (ten years ago) link

Yah that song almost feels like it was written for the stage or something...

we must live with the baroness (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 14 June 2013 08:14 (ten years ago) link

seven years pass...

Where's the rest of it though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdJyyJmLTns

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 3 July 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Today on @aquadrunkard Transmissions: psychedelic pioneer Dorothy Moskowitz of United States of America joins me to discuss her apocalyptic @tsq2 LP Under An Endless Sky, counter culture history, thoughts on Broadcast’s Trish Keenan, and more.

Listen: https://t.co/11KJoW9T42 pic.twitter.com/lZdrXMBBNc

— Jason P. Woodbury (@jasonpwoodbury) March 8, 2023

Just started this listening to this interview with Dorothy Moskowitz and surprised to hear she was a big fan of Broadcast.

city worker, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 16:52 (one year ago) link

From Tompkins Square Records thread---I should have thought to post it on this 'un as well:

Dorothy Moskowitz & The United States of Alchemy - Under an Endless Sky - Available via Tompkins Square - March 17, 2023
Under An Endless Sky represents the interchange that took place between electronic composer Francesco Paolo Paladino, composer and writer Luca Chino Ferrari, and the legendary Dorothy Moskowitz, an icon of underground culture who broke all kinds of new ground as a member of The United States of America. Led by the charismatic composer Joseph Byrd, the band released their lone eponymous album on Columbia Records in 1968. It has taken on a mythic status that has grown through the years, sampled by Diplo and Mac Miller and widely acknowledged as a visionary psychedelic classic.
Francesco Paolo Paladino, an avant-garde Italian composer contacted Dorothy, inviting her to sing on some of his compositions. When she heard his 2021 CD release of Barene & Other Works, she recognized that they shared a similarly experimental point of view and she accepted his invitation. Paladino is known for his collaborations with Martyn Bates, Allison O'Donnell, Simon Fisher Turner, and other world-renowned contemporary composers, as well as his own sought-after 1985 debut LP Doublings and Silences Volume 1.

Francesco has long collaborated with Italian writer Luca Chino Ferrari, author of biographies of Nick Drake, Third Ear Band, Captain Beefheart, Tim Buckley and Syd Barrett. He submitted lyrics to Dorothy and together they began a profound and unique collaboration on the adaptation of lyrics to music, delving into words and meanings, phonetic properties and their singability. “Lyrics that have the audacity to deal with complex themes of human existence, real philosophical cutaways that look at reality and question it, often without offering answers,” says Ferrari.

Moskowitz's extraordinary voice and modal melodies float over Paladino's magical musical textures. There are no guitars, bass, drums or other technological devilry, but only virtual sounds (sometimes without even keyboards) upon which are grafted some acoustic interventions: violins and violas, woodwinds and percussion entrusted to excellent musicians such as Italians Riccardo Sinigaglia, Angelo Contini, Stefano Scala, Trio Cavallazzi and Gino Ape, and English folker Sean Breadin.

Recommended If You Like : Late-stage Marianne Faithfull, Mercury Rev, Terry Riley, Flaming Lips, Italian electronic music, The United States of America.

Also RIYL:Laser Pace - Granfalloon (Takoma - 1974) Wow!

dow, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://tompkinssquare.bandcamp.com/album/under-an-endless-sky

anyone else listen to this? i was pretty impressed by the 22-minute title track, with moskowitz doing some marianne faithfull-style singing over a gorgeous orchestral drone. but after that i didn't have the energy to check out the rest of the album (yet)

na (NA), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 12:53 (one year ago) link

Dorothy Moskowitz & The United States of Alchemy is hailed via WIRE, MOJO, UNCUT, The New Yorker and many more.

** Bay Area & Friends of Bay Area ! Dorothy will be signing copies of her new album, and your vintage copies of The United States of America's 1968 Columbia Records debut LP : Saturday April 8, 1-3pm, Mars Record Shop, Oakland

"Moskowitz breaks the celestial-ocean surface in the 22-minute title
piece with warm, melodic logic, in corkscrew-lullaby arcs. Six shorter pieces evoke her haunted caroling and moonwalk balladry in the original USA – and make you hope she has phone messages waiting from Mercury Rev and The Flaming Lips."
★ ★ ★ ★ - David Fricke, MOJO


Forgot about this thread:
The United States of America/Broadcast/Stereolab

dow, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 21:27 (one year ago) link

Damn I'd like to go to that signing! Never did get Joe Byrd & The Field Hippies or his Yankee Transcendoodle or Country Joe's Paris album incl. Dorothy, but still have my high school copy of The United States of America---I may have read a review, but prob the cover, with her looking awesomely poised and the guys like A-V geeks/me, tipped the scales.

dow, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 21:33 (one year ago) link

high school copy of orig. LP, that is, don't have the CD w bonus tracks.

dow, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 21:34 (one year ago) link

I had previously heard the two Northern Picture Library covers of "Love Song for the Dead Che" but today while searching on YouTube, I learned that there was a contemporaneous (1969) jazz cover of it by Phil Woods - according to the credits, Herbie Hancock plays piano on the Woods album ("Round Trip") with that track (but I'm not sure if Hancock specifically is on that track).

ernestp, Sunday, 16 April 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Thanks, had never heard of that version!
Aquarium Drunkard interviews Dorothy Moskowitz (and Tompkins Square says she'll chat w fans via TS Bandcamp on July 15)

o quote album art master and AD visual guru D. Norsen: “Dorothy Moskowitz might not be a household name but was a musician on two of the headiest albums I know: 1967’s Vocal And Instrumental Ragas From South India on Folkways and 1968’s United States of America on CBS.”
Moskowitz is our guest this week on Transmissions. She joins us to discuss not only the pioneering psychedelia she made in the past with collaborators like Joe Byrd and Country Joe, but also her brand new album, coming out soon from Tompkins Square. It’s called Under the Endless Sky, and it’s credited to Dorothy Moskowitz & The United States of Alchemy. Working with Italian electronic composer Francesco Paolo Paladino and composer and writer Luca Chino Ferrari, it represents a new vision from the 83 year old artist, at once apocalyptic, vivid, and transcendent.
link for this page, which links to interview and other stuff:
https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2023/03/08/transmissions-dorothy-moskowitz-the-united-states-of-america/

dow, Friday, 30 June 2023 19:40 (nine months ago) link

Aquarium Drunkard interviews Dorothy Moskowitz (and Tompkins Square says she'll chat w fans via TS Bandcamp on July 15)

oh tompkins square, gotcha. i misread acronyms sometimes.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 30 June 2023 20:05 (nine months ago) link

Wow!

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 June 2023 21:43 (nine months ago) link

Most unexpected return of 2023?

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 30 June 2023 21:52 (nine months ago) link

Italian electronic composer Francesco Paolo Paladino

omg omg omg so psyched

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Friday, 30 June 2023 21:55 (nine months ago) link

Haven’t listened to the original album since Mrs. Redd hid it on me long ago, sounding great now. Hearing a kinship with Hair OBC or however you acronym it.

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 June 2023 22:17 (nine months ago) link

whoa, this is what i hoped would happen every time i've clicked on the thread with all the maps

carthage marine park (Deflatormouse), Friday, 30 June 2023 23:01 (nine months ago) link

Lol

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 June 2023 23:07 (nine months ago) link

nice

1967’s Vocal And Instrumental Ragas From South India on Folkways

listen carefully and you'll hear joe byrd sampling a short piece from that on the field hippies album

no lime tangier, Saturday, 1 July 2023 01:17 (nine months ago) link

Seems to already be available for streaming? Listening to it right now.

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 July 2023 14:28 (nine months ago) link

this is great

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 1 July 2023 16:06 (nine months ago) link

Yeah, Na posted link upthread, here tis again: https://tompkinssquare.bandcamp.com/album/under-an-endless-sky
Tompkins Square is vary generous with many of their releases!

dow, Saturday, 1 July 2023 16:48 (nine months ago) link

This is so cool, reminds me a lot of Battiato's Sulle Corde Di Aries. It's such a treat to hear her voice again.

J. Sam, Saturday, 1 July 2023 17:01 (nine months ago) link

I haven't followed Paladino very much since his Doubling Riders days, I need to catch up

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 1 July 2023 17:03 (nine months ago) link

wait a second it was MOSKOWITZ who did the voiceover on "Cracks"? that's kind of a legendary sesame street bit, one of those things that people only had hazy, terrifying childhood memories of for a long time

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 1 July 2023 17:55 (nine months ago) link

five months pass...

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a2592522591_10.jpg

Tompkins Square is pleased to release “Rising to Eternity,” written and produced by singer/songwriter Dorothy Moskowitz. The album follows her acclaimed April 2023 release,' Under An Endless Sky."

Moskowitz is an icon of underground culture who broke all kinds of new ground as a member of The United States of America. Led by the charismatic composer Joseph Byrd, the band released their lone eponymous album on Columbia Records in 1968. It has taken on a mythic status that has grown through the years, sampled by Diplo and Mac Miller and widely acknowledged as a visionary psychedelic classic.

"Rising To Eternity" is a musical reverie about the WEBB Telescope, launched on Christmas Day of 2021. The telescope enables a more detailed exploration of the early universe than has ever been feasible before. The album will be released on Christmas Day of 2023 to commemorate the event.

When asked what impelled her to consider a telescope as the subject of an album, Dorothy said:

“I felt the Webb launch to be like the “moonwalk” of this century, only with our hopelessly ravaged society, no one has the heart or stomach to celebrate anything at all. It began with an instrumental tribute, but the more I wrote, the more free-form fantasy took hold. I included a life form that emerges without light or water, I explored unnamed dimensions inhabiting dark matter, and scored unlikely dialogues between forces of creation and destruction. I think that an event of this magnitude sparks peoples’ imagination if they know about it and I’d like people to know about it."

It’s her first solo album, but also features work by artists with whom she’s recently collaborated such as composer Peter Olof Fransson, and writers Tim Lucas and Luca Chino Ferrari. Her daughter, vocalist Melissa Falarski, contributes back up on several cuts and there is also a track by sound sculptor Larnie Fox. To her pastiche of electronica, Dorothy has added live recordings of her live piano and viola and has incorporated drone washes from NASA archival recordings.

credits
releases December 25, 2023

Advance track, pre-order info:
https://tompkinssquare.bandcamp.com/album/rising-to-eternity

dow, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 04:28 (four months ago) link

bump. Posted late, dunno how many people have seen this.

dow, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 02:01 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

new record from Moskowitz:

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a2938539149_10.jpg

Following the instantly sold out Afterlife 7" EP at the end of 2023, we are pleased to present the full Afterlife album by influential vocalist, musician & songwriter Dorothy Moskowitz (United States Of America / United States Of Alchemy) & producer Retep Folo a.k.a. Peter Olof Fransson (Reportage / The Owl Report).

Fans of 1960's psychedelia, early 1970's experimental rock &
eco-conceptual electronics will find plenty to savour amongst the 14 tracks on this finely crafted album. Utilising an array of vintage instruments, Peter conjures avant-garde chorales & strange mantras bound in slabs of fuzz guitar, whimsical keyboards, jagged synths & menacing percussion. With Dorothy contributing voices, words & additional music together they have produced an album layered in arcane sound, mystical wisdom & urgent prophecy.

Dorothy explored some of these themes on the legendary United States of America album back in 1967, an enduring psych classic & major influence on artists such as Broadcast, Stereolab & Portishead. With Peter's meticulous production bringing these far-reaching sounds and ideas full circle, The Afterlife is a heady mix that manages to acknowledge the past whilst contemplating humanity's uncertain future.

Comparable to the sonic worlds of Mort Garson, Bruce Haack, Alessandro Alessandroni, Alain Goraguer, David Axelrod, Franco Battiato, Maria Monti, Brigitte Fontaine & Areski, The Afterlife is a heartfelt paean to nature's self-regulating cycles & our fragile planet.

https://buriedtreasure.bandcamp.com/album/the-afterlife

bulb after bulb, Monday, 4 March 2024 13:38 (one month ago) link


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