musical monogamy

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i was having a discussion the other day with a friend who identifies himself as a musical monogamist; he only truly loves one genre ('60s garage) and derivatives of said. he went on to say that this was the only way to truly love music since one genre's bread and butter was another's fallacy. personally, ever since i heard the first real jazz of my adolenence, i felt like i could love it in a way that didn't conflict with my feelings for, say, michael stipe. what is a critic or listener to be? can one truly love an art form and not be able to overlook assumptions inherent in it?

killa bee (killabee), Sunday, 29 October 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

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jackl (jackl), Sunday, 29 October 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know, man. 60's music is great.

But, like you said, so is jazz.

Lately, I listen to nothing but jazz and classical music. At this point, I am enjoying obscure flute sonatas, which is something so far removed from the first genre I fell in love with (metal) or the second (punk) or third (post-punk art rock... uh, okay, let's just say Sonic Youth et al) or any other contemporary rock-inspired music (can we agree hip hop is really just a variant of 60s rock music?) that I have no idea how anyone could limit themselves to a finite number of articles of music as a way to express "true love for music."

This has convinced me that it is equally ridiculous to fuck just one woman for the rest of my life. Thank you.

Scorpion Tea (Dick Butkus), Sunday, 29 October 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

Learn everything about something, and something about everything?

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Sunday, 29 October 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

I tend to go from phase to phase, listening pretty much exclusively to one sort of music for a few weeks or so and then moving on to the next sort, which I listen to exclusively for awhile, and so on. I suppose that's a monogamy of sorts.

I couldn't ever just listen to one genre of music all the time forever, though. Sometimes I want Coltrane and sometimes I want Kraftwerk, y'know?

vartman (novaheat), Sunday, 29 October 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

There's nothing wrong with it, per se; it's like professors in English departments specializing in certain fields (albeit in a somewhat more limited way). Frankly, most music fans have a genre/scene/time period that they latch on to for sentimental/ideological/aesthetic reasons and know more about than most other genres/scenes/time periods (for me: NYC rap 1989-1999; NJ Hardcore 1993-2003; Top 40 1998-Present).

But shit, to listen to something in exclusion of everything else? Seems like a waste of time.

max (maxreax), Sunday, 29 October 2006 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

max otm.

i have a pretty difficult time handling the usual kind of "so what sort of music are you into" inquiries, if only because my experience has been that the people who claim the greatest eclecticism with regards to their listening habits almost always turn out to have frighteningly parochial tastes (i.e. they're usually just indie rockers). i've always wondered whether the whole "i listen to everything...except country and rap" phenomenon is a specifically american person-on-the-street response, particularly as it boils down to "i listen to anything that allows me to continue ignoring whatever privilege i derive via race and class..."

i definitely have my specialties and areas of specific knowledge, as well as areas in which i'm happily engaged in educating myself at the present...but so many of these areas are so ridiculously nerdy and microscopic (e.g. drone minimalism, sonic arts union, "kim1-era" bay-area network music) that i have a pretty hard time imagining myself constructing an entire identity around them...

chris plus plus (chris++), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

Man, I am so sick of people mocking the idea of there being a difference between "country" and "western," especially at the time that the genre was so named. Just because the singers had both had southern accents does not mean that Roy Acuff and Bob Wills played the same style of music. Country signified Appalachian and southeastern music, Western meant Texas and all points West.

Today, Willie Nelson plays "western" music. Alan Jackson plays country. Western has more jazz and Mexican influence. Always has, always will.

novamax (novamax), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 06:08 (nineteen years ago)

"this was the only way to truly love music since one genre's bread and butter was another's fallacy."

the central faalacy of any such musical monogamist argument. it's ridiculous to claim that any genre exists in a vacuum. dont take this guy seriously!

also, wtf is "kim1-era" bay-area network music??

millenarian (millenarian), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, everyone else OTM, that's bullshit

Stephen Bush (Stephen B.), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

the real question is being more focused on less varieties of music versus being less familiar with more genres

millenarian (millenarian), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

also, wtf is "kim1-era" bay-area network music??

league of automatic music composers, the hub (to some extent), david behrman circa "leapday night" and "on the other ocean," some mark trayle, etc. basically centered around mills college in the late '70s and early '80s. some recordings are still available (e.g. the aforementioned behrman records, the league piece on the "just intonation" tellus cassette plus the 7" in the "lovely little records" box...most, however, are out of print, and there weren't many of them to begin with.

the kim-1 itself is an early microcomputer that was used by many of the artists in this scene to facilitate the construction of complex networks for performance, typically involving all the homebrew synth gadgets of the performers wired through two or three kim-1s into a ridiculously messy a-life-ish organism.

it's interesting to me both as an offshoot of the sonic arts union lineage that points both to maxmsp/powerbook improv and to power electronics, and as a fascinating and completely mental approach to working with people and machines as an improviser.

one of the better sources for getting into this whole thing is here.

chris plus plus (chris++), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Musical monogamy breeds musical monogamy; one thing in particular that bugs me about '60s garage rock--or rather, derivatives thereof--is that a lot of it sounds like guys who listen to "Nuggets," making music that SOUNDS like "Nuggets," for other guys who like "Nuggets." The same goes for a lot of punk rock nowadays, and I suppose a whole shit-ton of other popular and less-popular music as well. Musical monogamy in consumption? Whatever, it's your loss. But when it comes to the creation of music it seems like it almost never turns out well. Or am I just stating the obvious

owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

I tend to go from phase to phase, listening pretty much exclusively to one sort of music for a few weeks or so and then moving on to the next sort, which I listen to exclusively for awhile, and so on. I suppose that's a monogamy of sorts.
-- vartman (bl...) (webmail), October 28th, 2006. (novaheat) (link)

This is called serial monogamy and is the only workable paradigm, for music-to-human or human-to-human relationships.

lick_my_stereolabia (nariposa), Sunday, 12 November 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)


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