Recommend something that sounds like Globe Unity Orchestra's Hamburg '74

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Big band free improv/jazz with a choir. Is there anything else like this out there? The layered vocal work is really appealing amongst the clatter. This seems so meticulously arranged, but still has a very loose quality and a sense of humor. Suggestions?

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

have you tried the other globe unity recordings? not all of em have a choir but they're all pretty good.

trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

The other one I've heard is 67/70.

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Nothing else I can think of which blends free jazz and choral music; there's Eddie Gale's Ghetto Music but that's not strictly speaking free jazz.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not one to ask for works with a vocal component, but here are several free jazz dates that are closely related to Globe Unity.

Of course, there are the Alexander von Schlippenbach trio, especially recommend Pakistani Pomade.

Italian Instabile Orchestra is first-rate. Litania Sibilante or Italian Instabile Festival: Pisa Teatro Verdi, December, 1997 is where I'd start.

Going back in the day: Communications--Jazz Composers Orchestra of America (features Cecil Taylor, Steve Lacy, Bley, Mantler, Pharoah, Jimmy Lyons, Don Cherry, Ed Blackwell, Andrew Cyrille, Jimmy Knepper, Howard Johnson, John Thicai and about ten other equally luminary).

Gunter Hampel Group-Music from Europe (featuring Dolphy).

Don Cherry's Blue Note trilogy: Symphony for Improvisers, Complete Communion, Where is Brooklyn?

Sun Ra-Live at Donauschingen
Archie Shepp-Live at Donausshingen

Alan Silva and the Celestial Communications Orchestra--Seasons (one composition over three lps or 2 cds now) featuring 20 or so of the prime avantgarde.

Joe McPhee--Nation Time (it's got nothing to do with Globe Unity, but it is a free jazz masterpiece).

That should give you some avenue of exploration.

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not one to ask for works with a vocal component

I believe that's what the thread starter was asking.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

I believe you're right.

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

In the absence of anything with the big choral arrangements, I'll take other suggestions! Anything with grand Ellington big band supertight arrangements juxtaposed with the free stuff.

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

How about starting here?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, "Devashe's Dream" is pretty much exactly what I'm talking about.

Still surprised that no one else has tried to mix jazz with these big operatic vocal parts. I guess it costs too much.

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to suggest Burnt Sugar the Arkestra, but I don't know Devashe's Dream, so I'll keep shut until I check that out and get back to you.

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Not heard this but now you've said "big operatic vocal parts" to add to choir I suppose I gotta suggest Berio - what with composition and jazz being so mixed in to each other anyways. Something like "Coro" (40 singers), if you haven't tried, has something of the freeform improvisation to the vocal parts, with an addtional clowny component. I remember it sounding pretty engaged with the instruments and not simply overlayed.

The instrumental parts prob work up a racket but I'd have pull it out.

I wouldn't say the problem was money - the fact that Globe Unity and some big projects got off the ground to start with would go against that - maybe it's more to do with finding the right (gospel, I would guess) choir that would be willing to spend the time in adopting whatev novel techniques migth be required, and whether they'd accept this.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Just thought of Braxton's opera "Trillium R" (9 singers + 9 instrumentalists + orchestra). Googling a rev of it I get the impression there isn't much 'jazz' or improvisation.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

I'm gonna try that, though!

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

Not choral, but a couple of recordings from Donaueschingen come to mind, neither of which I own anymore, so caveat lector.

Penderecki wrote a piece for Globe Unity early on which moves among composed sections written in his early styles and free improvised sections. I recall that in at least some of the contrasting sections only subsets of the ensemble performed.

There was also a large ensemble work by Lester Bowie called Getting to Know Y'all which involved a mixture of European and mid-Western US (Chicago & St Louis, I think) musicians in a loosely formed suite.

Also, some of the JCOA recordings might be worth looking into, particularly the Clifford Thornton and Don Cherry LPs.

I don't know for sure about the current availability of the first two recordings, which came out on European labels (MPS Saba?), but it sure would be great if the JCOA discs that followed the Mantler & Bley sets would be released on CD sometime.

Herb Levy (Hrebml), Thursday, 2 November 2006 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

These are all great suggestions - thanks.

Speaking of JCOA, I still have yet to hear the Mantler JCOA. I know it's sort of an ilx fave, as it's on many free jazz threads. I will definitely try to track down that Lester Bowie album. I'm also really unfamiliar with most of Carla Bley's big band type stuff.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)


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