Badawi, Schneider TM and Anouar Brahem: Are they too "out there"?

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Going through all of the 1300 albums of the Idolator's 2006 Jackin' Pop poll, I noticed that three of my favourite albums of the year (Safe by Badawi, La Voyage de Sahar by Anouar Brahem and Skoda Mluvit by Schneider TM) didn't even make the list. I never really considered them to be that "experimental", and though knowing that they're not mainstream, they each have a certain amount of wider-spread appeal than the list suggests. Or, am I wrong?

peepee (peepee), Friday, 9 February 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

50 MILLION BADAWI FANS CANT BE WRONG

racist illustrator for hire (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 February 2007 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure that answers my question....
But then again, I'm not the smartest knife in the field.

peepee (peepee), Friday, 9 February 2007 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Stuff really doesn't have to be "out there" to still have no shot at being anywhere near the top of these polls.

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

There can only be so many things near the top, and if it falls outside the main genre people focus on. . . This all seems kind of obvious though.

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Skoda Mluvit doesn't come out in the U.S. until Feb. 20. Might have something to do with it...

lou (lou), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not talking about "near the top". There's 1300 albums listed!
Or are you saying that album #1285 is "near the top".

I just find it hard to believe that besides a mention in a list, I've been the only ILMer to write anything about Badawi, which would either suggest that my tastes are complete garbage, or something else.

peepee (peepee), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I asked this on another thread, but didn't get a response. Who are these "critics". Are they anyone who writes anything about any music? Do most of them write a music column for the local paper?

peepee (peepee), Friday, 9 February 2007 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, Skoda Mluvit got practically zero notice or press over here -- I didn't even notice it existed until well after the original release, and I wasn't even sure it was going to get U.S. distribution, so I wound up reviewing it at what might be the weirdest moment over.

Also umm yeah dude, Schneider TM is pretty weird in lots of ways. I mean, there are kinds of weirdness that don't have to do with being all structurally avant-garde -- like, say, stoned-sounding German guys doing weird gamelan-sample talk/rap tracks? His singles are still really accessible ("Cataractact," etc.), but ... there's something odd about the dude.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Peepee:

Are you asking whether or not it's strange that you like music that other people don't like or aren't aware of? If so, then no. It's not strange at all. Tastes vary. Records that are popular (even if only within a small niche) or much-talked-about for other reasons will heard and evaluated by many more people than those that are genuinely obscure. Self-evident blah blah blah...

Or are you just trying to bring attention to stuff you like? If so, then fine, but the misdirection tactics seem strange.

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the question makes sense, actually. Usually, no matter how much you like an act, you can figure out why other people might not, or why they're however popular or unpopular they are. But there are certain acts where, when you like them, it can seem hard to sort out why they don't get attention -- and usually it's because there's some small weirdness that you don't mind but other people are terrifically put off by.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

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[No, I'm not trying some backhanded attention-seeking blahblahblah.]

I just remain puzzled that out of 1300(!) albums, not one(!) mentions these, which have more universal appeal in I my opinion than, say, a lot of the albums between numbers 800 and 1300.

So my question remains, are these three artists "too obscure" for all of the 503 "music critics" (I still don't know what that means in this case) who participated in this poll?

I'd like to hear from others if there is what they think is a very good album that wasn't included on the list.

peepee (peepee), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha did anyone vote for the new Rocketship album?

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

One thing to keep in mind is that the poll only takes the top 10 albums and singles from each critic; that's not a lot.

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe it is because badawi + schneider TM are really bad

vahid (vahid), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

or just not "top 1300" material

vahid (vahid), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe it is because badawi + schneider TM are really bad

I assume this is the case for some critics, but there's gotta be a couple as moronic as me.

peepee (peepee), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

That Anouar Brahem album was in my top 10! However, I am not a professional music critic.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Schneider's 6 Peace EP was voted for in the 2003 poll.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

One thing to keep in mind is that the poll only takes the top 10 albums and singles from each critic; that's not a lot.

This makes more sense now.

peepee (peepee), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry, i didn't mean to be insulting ... it just seems sort of arbitrary to put any expectation value on how much our musical taste matches a critics poll. so it turns out schneider tm is not so popular ... so what??

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 10 February 2007 01:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe part of my point has to do with being critical of the critics, and not just because they don't have the same musical tastes as me.

I am not a critic, but take their role very seriously, because I wanna now about all of the music that is out there that I'd love (I assume there's tons of it). But often, I get the idea that many critics don't take their roles as seriously....maybe worrying more about having to churn so much of this stuff out before a deadline, or creating a niche or schtick. Whether or not those are legitimate concerns for their own livelihoods, I really could care less as a music press consumer.

Hence my question as what constitutes a "Music Critic".....I often wonder if its just someone who is a better [or at least more prolific] writer than me who knows a thing or three about music, but could easily be in the business department in their paper......or writes just as much about pop culture in general as they do about music.

As for the "...so what", there's 1000 posts on the thread comparing the two polls.

peepee (peepee), Saturday, 10 February 2007 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah but those 1000 posts are often more about what makes groups popular or what makes one group #1 and one group #3 ... why something passes *under* the radar is a much tougher question, isn't it? especially with something so arbitrary as pop culture.

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 10 February 2007 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking of under the radar, I never even heard about this:

Mark Nauseef, Ikue Mori, Walter Quintus, Sylvie Courvoisier: Albert.

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 10 February 2007 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

(Probably too out there for me anyway. Ikue Mori generally is.)

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 10 February 2007 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

A sample cut here, along with tracks from other Sylvie Courvoisier projects:

http://www.sylviecourvoisier.com/discs.htm

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 10 February 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...

I just heard La Voyage de Sahar for the first time, and it's really really tedious, even by ECM standards.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 20 July 2007 23:37 (sixteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

If anyone is looking for some good Oud action there is a a Holland/DeJohnette rhythm section on Brahem's latest, and I think it is beautiful.

calzino, Friday, 13 October 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link

Yep, looking forward to hearing it - Thimar, Brahem's previous rec w/ Dave Holland (and John Surman), is one of my v. favourite ECM discs.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 13 October 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg0PcRPgYhQ

I'm really in thrall to this one at the moment.

calzino, Sunday, 15 October 2017 00:48 (six years ago) link

ten months pass...

i can't claim to know anything about Anouar Brahem's discography, although i aim to become more familiar with it in the coming weeks. but Blue Maqams is EXCELLENT

Karl Malone, Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:14 (five years ago) link


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