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At the time, I felt like I'd taken a long time to cultivate an appreciation for free jazz and musique concrete.
Can't help but feel this is significant though.
― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 August 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
being strict, as you are changing all the time & have a memory, you can't listen to the same song twice
― ogmor, Sunday, 13 August 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
Most of my friends got stuck in their coming of age years like you say yesca. I hate it, if we make a reunion they always want to play the same terrible 15 or so songs anything that has come after 1999/2000 isn't as good as music from the previous decades according to them. They mostly listen to rock tho so point taken since rock pretty much died a painful death in the 90s.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Sunday, 13 August 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
good post doggie
― flopson, Sunday, 13 August 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
often its just winter jumpers in summer!
― saer, Sunday, 13 August 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
The most violently true example: pixies. sound great at 21, terrible by 31. by 41, you can't imagine anyone...
― paulhw, Monday, 14 August 2017 02:03 (six years ago) link
I used to like blueberries and now :(
― Neanderthal, Monday, 14 August 2017 02:26 (six years ago) link
What :( I loved pixies at 16 and I still love them now at 31. O lu back then I thought Surfer Rosa was their best album and now I think it's Doolitle.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Monday, 14 August 2017 02:55 (six years ago) link
in my old age i have become much more of a catch and release listener. this is really true of avant/noise records/CDs. i'll enjoy listening to something but don't feel the need to hold on to it or even revisit it. like reading a book. and i think i prefer the ephemeral live experience most of all. i hear it and then its gone. sometimes i feel like people don't even need to put out more records/tapes. experimental/noise feels more true to me undocumented.
as far as this thread goes though, music fits your moods/status/age/situation/etc. and if you evolve like a good human your needs change. no biggie. no, really, i can't listen to biggie anymore. i used to like him...
― scott seward, Monday, 14 August 2017 03:09 (six years ago) link
it's always possible to come back around too
― brimstead, Monday, 14 August 2017 03:10 (six years ago) link
My sister loves them and she won't see 41 again any time soon.
― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 14 August 2017 10:56 (six years ago) link
I think I used to like thinking about what I like but I don't really like to think about it anymore
― put your hands on the car and get ready to die (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 August 2017 11:15 (six years ago) link
in my old age i have become much more of a catch and release listener.
I love this concept. I find myself doing this all the time: I read about some album that sounds intriguing, listen to and enjoy it, maybe a few times even, then promptly forget about it. For whatever reason, it was so much easier to forge a long-term bond with a piece of music in my younger years. Now they're all pretty ephemeral.
I'm also convinced by the argument that we try to distance ourselves from bands/genres that we feel no longer define us (i.e. nu-metal is too embarrassing to own up to now). In my own case, it was my college years trading Phish bootlegs, which I now find hard to sit through. However, this thread is making me think that maybe it's not so much about the interminable noodling jams as it is about the associations that come with being a phish fan.
(btw, the pixies are a great counter-example. i got into them around doolittle, and still love just about everything they ever did. and maybe that's just because they're cool enough to keep on my resume)
― enochroot, Monday, 14 August 2017 11:59 (six years ago) link
IMO, free jazz/avant-garde/musique concrete is the actual end point of music fandom - the kind of stuff that people get into when they're weary and frustrated and bored of music. This is, of course, why if I ever find myself straying down that path, I'll know that life is over and it's time for golf.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 14 August 2017 12:06 (six years ago) link
I'll do you a favour and assume that's a joke.
― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 14 August 2017 12:15 (six years ago) link
yes, ilm has obviously proven that the real path is - indie rock -> musique concrète -> teen pop
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Monday, 14 August 2017 12:23 (six years ago) link
haha, i wonder if that's what's happened to me! whereas I assumed at the time, like Turrican, that the Wire-style stuff was some sort of appreciative end-point; or that at least I'd broken through to a space that there would be no going back from: i.e. that if at that point in my life I could enjoy music on this conceptual level, that it would stay with me forever. Very similar to the time I went to a Planet-Mu night and realised I'd much rather be at a 'proper' dance night, despite years of loving Warp/IDM stuff
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:09 (six years ago) link
that if at that point in my life I could enjoy music on this conceptual level, that it would stay with me forever
Possibly it might have stayed with you if you'd enjoyed the music on something other than a conceptual level?
― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link
This is exactly a concept I was trying to explain to a friend of mine the other day, thanks for saying it so clearly. For me lately I feel like I almost actively try not to think about how I might compare an album or song to favourites of mine.
I'm having a hard time articulating it, but I like just hearing something and letting it go, and a year later catch myself remembering a lyric or something then needing to search it out all over again. Some kind of joy in that for me these days, maybe I just miss when I was younger and everything felt new and this is my half-assed way to bring back the feeling. But I feel like I can just enjoy the music, it had become a slog to listen to music and deal with the obsessive need to remember and organize all of it.
― Will (kruezer2), Monday, 14 August 2017 13:50 (six years ago) link
paint over the middle of your records and forget what they are you can only play one at a time. the words are a form of self-inflicted tyranny, an attack on the dream state
― saer, Monday, 14 August 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
Possibly it might have stayed with you if you'd enjoyed the music on something other than a conceptual level?― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, August 14, 2017 2:41 PM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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It's not so much a disillusionment with specific records or artists, but almost an entire approach or aesthetic, save for a few exceptions. Of course I connected with experimental artists on a deeper level than that. But even Scott Walker, who I rate as one of my favourite artists of all time, I found myself listening to Bish Bosch the other day and thinking 'god some of these lyrics are plain ridiculous and what's with that dreadful opera-voice?'. I should say that his lyrics and voice are two of my favourite things about him and his music. It's very peculiar to feel this way. I know on the Tom Waits thread a lot of people were saying 'I used to love him so much in my 20s but now I find his schtick a bit cloying and at worst, minstrely'. Again, it's not a big revelation that personal attitudes and feelings change, it's just peculiar happening at this time and from an area I felt so immersed in
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Monday, 14 August 2017 14:37 (six years ago) link
"Bisch Bosch", lol yes, I listened to that recently too, I think it's just not very good tbh - then I listened to a Pierre Henry 60 minute crash bang sproing thwak opus and loved it.
― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 14 August 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
'god some of these lyrics are plain ridiculous and what's with that dreadful opera-voice?'
That's what I thought the first time I heard the guy. He sounds like Adam Sandler's "Opera Man" character.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 14 August 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
Bish Bosch has long been a top ten album for me, so I definitely loved it at one point. I think just bought into it a lot at the time and accepted that you have to take it with a pinch of salt in order to appreciate it. Listening to 'weird' music when other people are within earshot has always been a bit of an awkward thing for me. I'd been telling my (open minded music fan of a) housemate about Scott Walker for a long time but never played it. Then I put some on in my room while he was pottering about downstairs and started thinking 'I can't play him this, what will he think??'. Context is everything I guess. If I were to have heard Bish Bosch for the first time without any introduction to Scott and his previous music, I'd probably wonder WTF was going on. So yeah, in that case it was about putting myself in someone else's shoes and then feeling embarrassed for myself!
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Monday, 14 August 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
Whenever I listen to music I attach a cinematic framework of imagery to it in my imagination that drives or enhances the mood I associate with it. Certain styles of music conjure specific settings for me. It can be based on where I was in my life when I heard the style or whether the style itself is culturally attributed to certain scenery, but I tend to fall out of love with things more when I've stopped romanticizing the settings associated with that first category. The music that never gets old for me does seem to resonate with very deep nostalgic associations, and while I can't predict how I'll feel in another 10 years it's hard to imagine I'll ever go into completely different territory at this point.
― Evan, Monday, 14 August 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
I find that a lot of the things I "used to like" I still enjoy, but it just feels like a simpler or more naive pleasure. To really expose myself as a youngster, I grew up on early 2010s indie pop like Two Door Cinema Club, Foster The People and Grouplove. I only really turned my back on those bands when, in senior year or so, I started reading rockcrit and became self-conscious about my taste (insert thinkpiece about class anxiety here). Returning to them now, with the benefit of having developed my own more individuated sense of what I like, it's easier for me to both understand why I react positively to bands like that in a lizard-brain rush sort of way, as well as why they don't seem as "considered" or "interesting" from the perspective of, for lack of a better term, an amateur aesthete. One of the best things that happened to me in college was how I became more shameless, admitting my instinctive pleasures even as I got better at critiquing them from whatever value judgment system.
The other side is the distaste I acquired for the perceived naivete of musical theater-type melodies, which is basically just developing a very contemporary relationship to "corniness." But you could go on forever about the weird ways that can be both natural and historically informed.
― austinb, Monday, 14 August 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
i used to like the doorsthen i used to not like the doorsnow i love the doors
― marcos, Monday, 14 August 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
I used to be really into certain scenes or artists and I would declare myself a fan and lover of those things/people forever. Like, I will always ride as hard for this as I do right now.
Of course, that's never the case. We all change inevitably.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Monday, 14 August 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
I've been through a similar journey with experimental stuff and am fairly sure it's partly context, partly my dilettante nature and partly a change in life circumstances. For a while there I was listening daily - at work - to (for shorthand let's call it) Wire music and experiencing it and writing about in ecstatic terms (I even did it in the Wire, once). I was pretty much immersed. Then I started teaching and gradually the opportunity and the desire to listen to that sort of stuff (skronk, black metal, grown men farting into collanders) faded. I've recently gone as far as deleting a whole bunch of stuff from hard drives, stuff I was sent and bought, as I simply don't know when I'll ever revisit it. I feel like I fraud, a bit, and that's OK.
I've also needed that 'catch and release' tag - it encapsulates a lot of my listening at the moment. I operate in small clouds of intense affect that dissipate fairly rapidly and I can listen to something for a week and then never again.
Fwiw, I still love the stuff I did when I was 14. Christ, I sound senile.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 14 August 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
I think I made myself sound even more dilettantish than I meant too. During that period it wasn't just listening at work, I was putting on experimental gigs in a tiny local boozer and regularly travelling into London etc. I guess the point was that it was an immersive thing, and once I came up for air, and had a change in circumstances, it seemed to pass fairly quickly. I've made it sound like a kidney stone.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 14 August 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
for some reason all this anti-Wire talk is making me giddy
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 14 August 2017 20:08 (six years ago) link
take some time to listen to some Roland Kayn, and disparage golf, and blanket FP Turricant forever imo.
― calzino, Monday, 14 August 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
Ha!
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Monday, 14 August 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
tbf on turricant he has a slightly more expansive vision of what music can be than fergal sharkey has.
― calzino, Monday, 14 August 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
The fact that I could use 'Wire music' as shorthand and not punch myself in the face is evidence of how far I've fallen.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 14 August 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
Golf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul McCartney
― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 14 August 2017 20:23 (six years ago) link
getting bludgeoned with a 7 iron>>>>> very strong 'pinions on muzik>>>>> Paul McCartney
― calzino, Monday, 14 August 2017 20:37 (six years ago) link
Lads it just music it's not important
― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Monday, 14 August 2017 20:41 (six years ago) link
I ended up reading some articles from The Wire from the mid 90s after a book referenced one, it's interesting what's stayed relatively the same and what's rolled with the times as far as editorial direction and review style goes
― mh, Monday, 14 August 2017 21:08 (six years ago) link
a great first response from wgw itt
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 14 August 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
i read that old invisible jukebox book last year and goldie was a thing.
― scott seward, Monday, 14 August 2017 21:41 (six years ago) link
i would definitely subscribe to a magazine that was nothing but invisible jukebox. they could call it Invsbl Jkbx.
― scott seward, Monday, 14 August 2017 21:42 (six years ago) link
iirc nothing's important
One of the best things that happened to me in college was how I became more shameless, admitting my instinctive pleasures even as I got better at critiquing them from whatever value judgment system.
I got v into experimental/droney/noisy/out there/wire stuff 17-19ish, and since then my tastes have got a lot broader and I think this is part of it. I have such relative confidence listening to things now it's easy to forget how unsure I was about how to sort through my often ambivalent reactions to things, and how cautious I was about disregarding other people's opinions
― ogmor, Monday, 14 August 2017 21:51 (six years ago) link
scott, me too, I think that's the first and sometimes only thing I read from the magazine
― mh, Monday, 14 August 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link
I used to like NOFX White Trash Two Heebs and a Bean, but I'm never compelled to listen to them nowadays. At least, I feel like I got it out of my system. But I'd probably still enjoy it on some level. That, or Ribbed. I mean, I thought it was the best thing ever when Roadkill (1993) came out.
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 14 August 2017 23:03 (six years ago) link
audio is good
― brimstead, Monday, 14 August 2017 23:12 (six years ago) link
good posts chinaski
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 10:24 (six years ago) link
Hey, Turrican, do you have LZ-A4's and do you still recommend them? (A Turrican was mentioned in a review I found)
― the ghost of lorax past (FlopsyDuck), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 21:05 (six years ago) link
https://youtu.be/BnTFA3Bp0hg
Maybe avant-garde was a pivot point for half the music I listen to nowadays - weirdo music. For instance I've been relistening to Kevin Ayers and Brian Eno stuff lately and it has never sound so good. Although, I don't think I had a very long avant-garde phase and stuff like Eno had to predate that.
― the ghost of lorax past (FlopsyDuck), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 03:06 (six years ago) link
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― the ghost of lorax past (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 17 August 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link