The Third P&J Singles (and EPs) Poll!

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1981 Singles:

(I decided to include the year's EP choices here. Does that make any sense or would everyone prefer a separate poll for EPs?)

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Funky Four Plus One: "That's the Joint" (Sugarhill) 8
Laurie Anderson: "O Superman"/"Walk the Dog" (One, Ten/Warner Bros.) 4
The Specials: "Ghost Town"/"Why?"/"Friday Night, Saturday Morning" (Chrysalis) 4
Soft Cell: "Tainted Love"/"Where Did Our Love Go?" (Sire) 3
Taana Gardner: "Heartbeat" (West End) 2
Mission of Burma: Signals, Calls & Marches (Ace of Hearts) 2
Tom Tom Club: "Genius of Love" (Sire) 2
Pete Shelley: "Homosapien" (Genetic import) 2
Rick James: "Super Freak" (Gordy) 2
Go-Go's: "Our Lips Are Sealed" (I.R.S.) 1
Squeeze: "Tempted" (A&M) 1
Billy Idol With Generation X: "Dancing With Myself" (Chrysalis) 1
Frankie Smith: "Double Dutch Bus" (WMOT) 1
Grace Jones: "Pull Up to the Bumper" (Island) 1
Prince: "Controversy" (Warner Bros.) 1
Grandmaster Flash: "The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel" (Sugarhill) 1
Gang of Four: "To Hell With Poverty" (EMI import) 1
New Order: "Ceremony" (Factory) 1
Romeo Void: Never Say Never (415) 0
ESG: ESG (99) 0
Pretenders: Extended Play (Sire) 0
DNA: A Taste of DNA (American Clavé) 0
Joe King Carrasco and the Crowns: Party Safari (Hannibal) 0
Peter Dayton: Love at 1st Sight (Shoo-Bop) 0
The Lyres: AHS 1005 (Ace of Hearts) 0
Lene Lovich: New Toy (Stiff/Epic) 0
Deniece Williams: "Silly" (Columbia/ARC) 0
The Rolling Stones: "Start Me Up" (Rolling Stones) 0
Kim Carnes: "Bette Davis Eyes" (EMI America) 0
Yoko Ono: "Walking on Thin Ice" (Geffen) 0
Teena Marie: "Square Biz" (Gordy) 0
Smokey Robinson: "Being With You" (Tamla) 0
Rosanne Cash: "Seven Year Ache" (Columbia) 0
Bob Dylan: "The Groom's Still Waiting at the Altar" (Columbia) 0
The Pointer Sisters: "Slow Hand" (Planet) 0
The Police: "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" (A&M) 0
The Individuals: Aquamarine E.P. (Infidelity)0


JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

Amazing list, both thanks to 12-inches and EPs, but "That's The Joint," as Matos will also point out soon, may well be the best single in human history and therefore wins hands-down. (Actually, though, the EPs aren't all that amazing, come to think of it. I mean...the Individuals? Peter Dayton? What the hell? Best one is DNA, then the Specials, the latter of which is almost more a single anyway. As is Romeo Void. ESG and Mission of Burma are good though -- hell, the latter is basically the last Mission of Burma record I care about, though maybe not as good as "Academy Fight Song." I should get a copy of that Joe "King" Carrasco EP someday; I played a different song by him ["Caca Da Vaca," from his second album I think] and "Bette Davis Eyes" in a Williamsburg DJ set I did last Friday.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I do like that Dylan B-side (which I own on a 7-inch single), believe it or not! Not sure I've ever heard "Silly" by Deneice Williams, however.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

When I did this on Poptimists (not that it has any bearing on yr own fine conduct of these polls JN$OT!) we didn't bother with EPs but I made an exception for "Ghost Town" cos I knew ppl would want to vote for it. (They did.)

Groke, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

Could have easily gone with "The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel," or "Ghost Town," or "O Superman." But I had to pick "That's the Joint," one of the first (and best) hip-hop records I ever heard.

xp

JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

I voted, out of sentiment as much as anything, for "Tempted", because I've been playing it so much lately. I love the delivery on the "foot without a sock" verse. There are lots of other worthy - almost certainly worthier - candidates, which have already been mentioned.

Groke, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Christgau's GREAT singles and EP lists from that year, probably his best ever, now that I think of it (I played "Western Gangster Town" in my DJ set on Friday too! Maybe next time I'll play "I Wanna Kill My Mom"; hell, I still have the 45 so why not?):

1. Descendents: "Fat" E.P. (New Alliance) 2. Gang of Four: Another Day/Another Dollar (Warner Bros.) 3. Angry Samoans: Inside My Brain (Bad Trip) 4. DNA: A Taste of DNA (American Clavé) 5. Propellor Product (Propellor) 6. Panics: "I Wanna Kill My Mom"/"Best Band"/"Tie Me Up, Baby!" (Gulcher) 7. Bebe Buell: Covers Girl (Rhino) 8. The Specials: "Ghost Town"/"Why?"/"Friday Night Saturday Morning" (Chrysalis) 9. Peter Dayton: Love at 1st Sight (Shoo-Bop) 10. Lyres: AHS-1005 (Ace of Hearts).

1. Funky Four Plus One: "That's the Joint" (Sugarhill 12-inch) 2. Taana Gardner: "Heartbeat" (West End 12-inch) 3. T.S. Monk: "Bon Bon Vie" (Mirage) 4. "The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel" (Sugarhill 12-inch) 5. Killing Joke: "Change" (Editions E.G. import) 6. Afrika Bambaataa/Zulu Nation/Cosmic Force: "Zulu Nation Throw Down" (Paul Winley 12-inch) 7. Bits & Pieces: "Don't Stop the Music" (Mango 12-inch) 8. Medium Medium: "Hungry, So Angry" (Cachalot 12-inch) 9. Liliput: "Eisiger Wind" (Rough Trade import) 10. Black Flag: "Louie Louie" (Posh Boy)

11. The Treacherous Three: "The Body Rock" (Enjoy 12-inch) 12. Scritti Politti: "The 'Sweetest' Girl" (Rough Trade) 13. Yoko Ono: "Walking on Thin Ice"/"It Happened" (Geffen) 14. Teena Marie: "Square Biz" (Gordy) 15. Frankie Smith: "Double Dutch Bus" (WMOT 12-inch) 16. Depeche Mode: "New Life" (Mute import 12-inch) 17. Pete Shelley: "Homosapien" (Genetic import) 18. Kim Carnes: "Bette Davis Eyes" (EMI) 19. Trickeration: "Rap, Bounce, Rockskate"/"Western Gangster Town" (Sounds of New York 12-inch) 20. Rolling Stones: "Start Me Up" (Rolling Stones) 21. Spoonie Gee: "Spoonie Is Back" (Sugarhill 12-inch) 22. Chron-Gen: "Reality" (Step-Forward import) 23. Brother D. & Collective Effort: "How You Gonna Make the Black Nation Rise" (Clappers 12-inch) 24. Denroy Morgan: "I'll Do Anything for You" (Becket 12-inch) 15. Luther Vandross: "Never Too Much" (Epic).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I'm not so sure that a separate EP poll would be warranted, to be honest. Maybe it would make more sense to include any particular year's EP choices along with the regular album polls, as Chuck did in the VV over the past, what, 10 years or so?

multiple xp

JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

And other people's. (That Tim Sommer wound up discovering Hootie and the Blowfish a few years later doesn't diminish the oi!-someness of "Harry May"):

VINCE ALETTI (alphabetical): Laurie Anderson: "O Superman"/"Walk the Dog" (One, Ten/Warner Bros.); Blondie: "Rapture" (Chrysalis import); Bo Kool: "(Money) No Love" (Tania import); The Clash: "The Magnificent Dance" (Epic); Coati Mundi: "Me No Pop Eye" (Antilles/ZE); Funky Four Plus One: "That's the Joint" (Sugarhill); Taana Gardner: "Heartbeat" (West End); the Quick: "Zulu" (Pavilion); Strikers: "Body Music" (Prelude); Tom Tom Club: "Genius of Love" (Sire).

TOM CARSON: Yoko Ono: Walking on Thin Ice--For John (Geffen); Romeo Void: Never Say Never; Descendents: "Fat" E.P. (New Alliance); Propellor Product (Propellor); Angry Samoans: Inside My Brain (Bad Trip).

TOM CARSON: R.E.M.: "Radio Free Europe"/"Sitting Still" (Hib-Tone); "The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel" (Sugarhill); Funky Four Plus One: "That's the Joint" (Sugarhill); Rick James: "Super Freak" (Gordy); Babylon Dance Band: "When I'm Home"/"Remains of the Beat" (Babylon Dance Band); Bob Dylan: "The Groom's Still Waiting at the Altar" (Columbia); Frankie Smith: "Double Dutch Bus" (WMOT); Go-Go's: "Our Lips Are Sealed" (I.R.S.); Replacements: "I'm in Trouble"/ "If Only You Were Lonely" (Twin/Tone); Billy Idol with Gen X: "Dancing with Myself" (Chrysalis).

ROGER GLASS: Quincy Jones: "Just Once" (A&M); Grover Washington, Jr.: "Just the Two of Us" (Elektra); Grace Jones: "Pull Up to the Bumper" (Island); Barbra Streisand: "Guilty" (Columbia); Smokey Robinson: "Being with You" (Tamla); Denroy Morgan: "I'll Do Anything for You" (Becket); Mike and Brenda Sutton: "We'll Make It" (Sam); Rita Marley: "Sin Sin" (Tuff Gong import); Skyy: "Call Me" (Salsoul); T.S. Monk: "Bon Bon Vie" (Mirage).

IRA KAPLAN (alphabetical): Cramps: "Goo Goo Muck"/"She Said" (I.R.S.); Cyclones: "You're So Cool"/"RSVP" (Little Ricky); Fleetwood Mac: "Farmer's Daughter" (Warner Bros.); Funky Four Plus One: "That's the Joint" (Sugarhill); Vic Godard and Subway Sect: "Stop That Girl" (Oddball import); Grace Jones: "Pull Up to the Bumper" (Island); Kinks: "Better Things" (Arista); R.E.M.: "Radio Free Europe"/"Sitting Still" (Hib-Tone); Skeletons: "Trans Am"/"Tell Her I'm Gone" (Borrowed); Voggue: "Dance the Night Away" (Atlantic).

GREIL MARCUS: Gang of Four: Another Day/Another Dollar (Warner Bros.); Mekons: Die Mekons (Pure Freud import); Descendents: "Fat" E.P. (New Alliance); Vivienne Goldman: Dirty Washing (99); Romeo Void: Never Say Never.

KRISTINE MCKENNA: James Brown: "Rapp Payback" (Polydor); Passions: "I'm in Love with a German Film Star" (Polydor import); Bob Dylan: "The Groom's Still Waiting at the Altar" (Columbia); Cure: "Primary" (Fiction import); Human League: "Hard Times" (Virgin import); Heaven 17: "Fascist Groove Thing" (B.E.F. import); Psychedelic Furs: "Dumb Waiters" (CBS import); Spandau Ballet: "Chant Number One" (Chrysalis); Foreigner: "Urgent" (Atlantic).

RICHARD RIEGEL: Rick James: "Super Freak" (Gordy); J. Geils Band: "Centerfold" (EMI America); Rolling Stones: "Start Me Up" (Rolling Stones); Blondie: "Rapture" (Chrysalis); Talking Heads: "Once in a Lifetime" (Sire); Kinks: "Destroyer" (Arista); Yoko Ono: "Kiss Kiss Kiss" (Geffen); Rick Springfield: "Jessie's Girl" (RCA Victor); David Johansen: "Here Comes the Night" (Blue Sky); Pat Benatar: "Hit Me with Your Best Shot" (Chrysalis).

DOUG SIMMONS: Lyres: AHS-1005 (Ace of Hearts); Minor Threat (Dischord); Mission of Burma: Signals, Calls and Marches (Ace of Hearts); S.O.A.: No Policy (Dischord); Unknown: Dream Sequence (Sire).

TIM SOMMER: Flipper: "Ha Ha Ha" (Subterranean); Cure: "Primary" (Fiction import); Misfits: "London Dungeon" (Plan 9 import); Temple Tudor: "Swords of a Thousand Men" (Stiff); Black Flag: "Louie Louie" (Posh Boy); Exploited: "Dead Cities" (Secret import); the Gas: "Ignore Me" (Polydor import); Secret Affair: "Dance Master"/"Do You Know" (I Spy import); APB: "Chain Reaction" (Oily); the Business: "Harry May"/"National Insurance Blacklist" (Secret import).

What is the Die Mekons EP on Greil's list, though? (Wasn't English Dancing Master from around that time, or was that a couple years later?)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

It's the 12" single of "This Sporting Life"/"Frustration" (I think those were the titles) that Greil was voting for. English Dancing Master came out in '83.

JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I have to admit that Greils EP (and album) lists from this year (and others) made a huge impression on me when I first discovered them around 1988 or so.

JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

Nice to see that the Another Day/Another Dollar by GoF made the '82 poll, as it's probably my favorite EP release ever.

JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

the, duh...

JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

Not even sure what to say about this that I haven't said a million times elsewhere... Greatest year for post-punk and dance music and weird radio pop ever--could've voted for a number of these. Never been a big fan of "Start Me Up," but the top 10 alone is otherwise kind of flawless (not that it would look very much like my own, which is just more proof of how much good stuff there was that year). Even a somewhat unassuming song like "Seven Year Ache" is pretty amazing, and very much a "1981" sort of record.

sw00ds, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

So what did you pick, Scott?

BTW, I'm not entirely certain (haven't done a back-to-back comparison), but I might prefer 1984 to 1981 for singles overall.

JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

What's on that Pretenders EP?

Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

I went with "That's the Joint"--but it was very close between that and "Homosapien" (which I once called my all-time favourite single) and "O Superman" and "Heartbeat."

You know, I'm curious to see 1984 again, because I've been thinking these last few years that it's not as cracked up as I may have believed at the time, but I want to see the list, the evidence, etc. I just have this feeling it was great to live through for radio but not as great as 1981 for revisiting--but I could be wrong.

sw00ds, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe for me there's a certain point where the eighties becomes "the eighties" and maybe '84 is the starting point?

sw00ds, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Well, that may have been '83 for me, probably starting with Miohael's take-over of all virtually all popular culture.

JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

ugh, Michael, that is...

JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, true enough, but wouldn't you say '84 is when it all kind of become entrenched? Not to make it sound like a stuffy moment or something, because that's not it at all. I just don't think I play nearly as much stuff from the mid-80s as I do from the early and late 80s, but we shall see.

sw00ds, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

True. And then in '85 it all kinda starts to wither on the vine (more or less).

JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

What's on that Pretenders EP?

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu8lHg1RGwLUANDtXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2dnY0Nm1iBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZAM-/SIG=12i7nstb6/EXP=1180030151/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Play_(The_Pretenders_EP)

JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm, that didn't quite work. One more try.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Play_(The_Pretenders_EP)

JN$OT, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone know what these are, from Christgau's list?

T.S. Monk: "Bon Bon Vie" (Mirage)
Bits & Pieces: "Don't Stop the Music" (Mango 12-inch)

I've heard of the former, but not the latter.

sw00ds, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

Never been a big fan of "Start Me Up," but the top 10 alone is otherwise kind of flawless (not that it would look very much like my own, which is just more proof of how much good stuff there was that year). Even a somewhat unassuming song like "Seven Year Ache" is pretty amazing, and very much a "1981" sort of record.

This may be the greatest 20-single lineup in P&J history. The only nasty thing I can say about any of'em is that I like "O Superman" less. "Heartbeat," "Genius of Love," "Homosapien," and "Seven Year Ache" are some of my favorite singles, like, ever (I'd probably swap "Start Me Up" for "Seven Year Ache").

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

1981 is the greatest year for singles ever (1997 runner up). I voted for "That's The Joint" but there are actually two 1981 singles I prefer. One is LiLiPUT's "Eisiger Wind." The other, to answer Scott's question above, just so happens to be my favorite single of all-time: T.S. Monk's "Bon Bon Vie." To be precise, "Bon Bon Vie" was released by Mirage late it 1980. But it appears as if most people heard it in 1981 so I'll take musical truth over discographical fact. (And while we're on the subject, does anyone know the actual release date of "That's The Joint?" I've heard 1980 many times so it may be a similar situation to "Bon Bon Vie." I've also heard 1982 for "Heartbeat," the fourth greatest single of 1981 (gawd!), but I think that date's wrong.)

"Bon Bon Vie" - Thelonious Monk Jr. on vocals/drums. Sister Boo Boo and Yvonne Fletcher on backup vocals (here). The opening horn peal gave birth to two more great singles: Public Enemy's "Welcome to the Terrordome" and Kriss Kross' "Warm It Up." Before I heard this song, I had a dream that it would sound like "Looking for the Perfect Beat" played by Chic. Well, maybe I willed its genius into being but that's exactly how it sounds!

You can hear it on one of Rhino's tres patchy Phat Trax volumes. But jesuschristmaryandjosephholyshitgoddamngetoffyourassandjam, there's a FREAKIN' VIDEO on youtube here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4Wh4JG51I0

Just look how geekily everyone is hoppin' around. They're as overjoyed with their creation as I am! This version is the 7" single edit which while augmenting the goofy-sounds-all-in-a-row aspect, fades out before the most kinetic drum fill since Sylvester's "You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)" and some gutwrenching singing from Monk that presages the "mauvais mauvais vie" once he puts his last dime in that blind man's cup.

They never recorded anything else worth hearing.

Bits & Pieces: "Don't Stop The Music" is Sly & Robbie's squishy take on the great Yarbough & Peoples electro-R&B burner. I much prefer the latter.

So many other bon bon singles here but amongst the missing:

Pigbag: “Papa’s Got a Brand New Pigbag” (Y 1981) - maybe the year is wrong?
Teena Marie: "It Must Be Magic" (Gordy 1981) - bigtime heart "Square Biz" but always preferred this one; c'mon - she calls Rick James (or rather, her munchkins do) "the king of punk funk" here!
The Flirts: "Passion" ("O" 1981) - punk disco, sez Neil Tennant and he's (duh) right
Bohannon Featuring Dr. Perri Johnson: "Let's Start II Dance Again" (Phase II 1981) - it MUST have the "shimmy shimmy koko bop" rap on it
Liaisons Dangereuses: "Los Ninos Del Parque" (Mute 1981) - hard to pull off both funny and menacing

I know every one of the singles on the official list (Chuck, "Silly"'s cute but no "Let's Hear It For The Boy") but haven't heard many of the EPs as well as the punkier (I'm assuming) singles on some of the ballots. What on Kaplan and Sommer's lists, say, should I seek out?

And I never got the big whoop on Black Flag's "Louie Louie."

But yeah - 1981, I bow to you!! xoxoxoxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxo

Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Kevin, "Heartbeat" is definitely '81, and I wanna say Pigbag is too, remembering when a friend of mine bought it.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 24 May 2007 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

One of my favorite Dylan verses is from "Groom," by the way:

What can I say about Claudette?
Ain't seen her since January
She could be respectably married
Or runnin' a whorehouse in Buenos Aires

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 24 May 2007 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

Copyright on my 12-inch Sugarhill copy of "That's the Joint" says 1980; I'm not sure when it actually hit the stores, though. (Copyright on my 12-inch Enjoy copy of "Rappin' and Rocking the House" says 1979, but I always think of that one as from 1980).

Copyright on my 12-inch Mango copy of "Don't Stop The Music" says 1981. And right, it's not nearly as good as the Yarbrough and People's version (which, like "Homo Sapien," was in my DJ bag on Friday, but I didn't play it.) Copyright on my 12-inch Y Records copy of "Papap's Got a Brand New Pibag" is 1981 too.

Give or take "Harry May" by the Business, the best singles on Kaplan's and Sommer's lists are "Ha Ha Ha" by Flipper and "Goo Goo Muck" by the Cramps (at least of the ones I've heard. Who are the Gas and APB? Secret Affair were post-Jam U.K. mods, I think. And Skeletons were proto-cowpunk garage revival types from Missouri -- Springfield, as I recall. Didn't they change their names to the Morrels later?)

And Black Flag's "Louie Louie" is one of the best things they ever did, as far as I'm concerned.

xhuxk, Thursday, 24 May 2007 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

("Papa's Got a Brand New Pigbag," I mean, of course.

And the Mango "Don't Stop" is Bits & Pieces, fwiw.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 24 May 2007 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

Will somebody please tell me what in God's name is so great about "That's the Joint"?

I'd vote for "Radio Free Europe" if it were on the list, but I guess I'll go for "Double Dutch Bus" instead. Why are limiting these polls to only singles that were on the Pazz and Jop lists for each year? Fuck Pazz and Jop.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 24 May 2007 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

The singles list is so great that there's no room for Rick Springfield's "I've Done Everything for You" and "Jessie's Girl."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 24 May 2007 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oops, forgot one:

Copyright on my West End 12-inch copy of "Heartbeat" = 1981, as well.

xhuxk, Thursday, 24 May 2007 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

I voted for "Super Freak" because it needed a vocal vote, and because it was truly avant-something, and because it singlehandedly taught my poor high school ass how to dance.

Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 24 May 2007 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

My wife wants to vote for "Tainted Love" but she doesn't want to register or actually post here, so her vote will remain uncounted.

Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 24 May 2007 02:22 (nineteen years ago)

I voted for "Tainted Love"/"Where Did Our Love Go?"

It's in my top ten list of all time...PERFECT combination.

Tape Store, Thursday, 24 May 2007 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

I voted for "Controversy" on the basis that its been stuck in my head a lot lately, but then immediately regretted not voting for "Heartbeat" or "Double Dutch Bus" or "Genius of Love" or...or...or...

The Reverend, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

Will somebody please tell me what in God's name is so great about "That's the Joint"?

Got an hour?

For starters, the track locks into place two instruments frequently responsible for self-indulgence and extraneousness (often in white hands): the electric guitar and horns (Bernard "Skip" Alexander and Chops, respectively). Both provide continuity here by restating their interlocking, ebullient themes over and over and providing the illusion that indeed the party could go on to the break of dawn.

This leaves Keith LeBlanc's drums (was Duke Bootee on this one?) and, esp., Doug Wimbish's bass to fuck around on the job, particularly when the horns take a measure-long break on the assembly line. Taken together, the entire apparatus reverses the traditional guitar-bass-drums tasks in rock. As in so much black music, here the "rhythm" instruments convey freedom rather than reliable support. But because those guitar and horns themes are so gushingly ebullient, nothing feels workaday or stomped down.

Then the raps. The Sequence and The Sugarhill Gang had stoopider ones. But not even The Furious Five appraoched the sheer musicality of the raps here. Almost every rapper gets interrupted by the crew not only to offer some utilitarian variety but, more importantly, to establish the primacy of the party over any individual.

And their interplay is simply jaw-dropping. I'm thinking particularly of the moment at 7:11 immediately after all the individual raps are done. It's as if the occasion called for an explosion of communality. So everyone talks at once. But the ten or so seconds make so much musical sense, you'd think they organized the chaos beforehand (which could have happened but in any case, someone should transcribe their chatter).

All this in addition to the things that made the early Sugarhill singles some of the greatest musical achievments of the twentieth century - crowd noises, direct entreaties to the listener to join the party, a general inclusiveness, etc.

Finally, Sha Rock raps first.

Hip-hop has never improved upon it.

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:08 (nineteen years ago)

Why are limiting these polls to only singles that were on the Pazz and Jop lists for each year? Fuck Pazz and Jop.

This was addressed on the 1981 P&J ALBUMS poll. Plus there are all kinds of polls- NME, best album, best song off of....

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

Copyright on my 12-inch Sugarhill copy of "That's the Joint" says 1980; I'm not sure when it actually hit the stores, though.

Just checked Rhino's Sugarhill box. Liners say 1/81 (and it didn't even make the R&B chart!!!!).

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

Kevin - thanks for that! Made me go and play it and realise - kind of astonishingly given how often it's been talked up on ILM - that I hadn't actually heard it before. Or maybe I'd just not actually listened to it before. I feel a chump, but a happy chump!

Groke, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

Poptimists Results (sadly Joint-free):

1. Tainted Love/Where Did Our Love Go? (43 votes)
2. Ghost Town (etc.) (40 votes)
3=. Bette Davis Eyes (26)
3=. Pull Up To The Bumper (26)
5=. The Adventures Of Grandmaster Flash On The Wheels Of Steel (25)
5=. Our Lips Are Sealed
7. O Superman
8. Genius Of Love
9. Super Freak
10. Ceremony

(Different methodology - pick 1/3 from the 25+ on offer)

Groke, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:30 (nineteen years ago)

Great posts, Kevin! That T.S. Monk youtube link really made my day--never had heard it before, so thanks for that. I kinda think it sounds like Real People era Chic myself. Great stuff.

xp

Poptimists Results (sadly Joint-free)

Wow. Didn't it get any votes at all, Tom? I would have thought Frank would have voted for it at the very least.

JN$OT, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

Way xpost to C.E., I definitely remember hearing "Heartbeat" on the radio before I graduated high school in June '81, so copyright date resonates.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:42 (nineteen years ago)

OK, here's a question bouncing off a Greg Tate remark in Flyboy in the Buttermilk: I love "Wheels of Steel" -- it was first hip-hop I ever bought -- but does anyone actually consider it danceable?

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

I voted, out of sentiment as much as anything

This is how Nazi Germany started.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not voting in this because we've already done the NME 1981 singles poll.

The greatest single ever made continues not to appear :-(

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

Ringo's "Wrack My Brain"?

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:53 (nineteen years ago)

aw, bad luck, and you were so close as well...

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

JN$OT - it got 12 votes. The only songs to get none were "Silly" and "The Groom's Still Waiting At The Altar" (though I was tempted by the latter).

Groke, Thursday, 24 May 2007 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

Voted "Ghost Town". Again. I know I have previously done in at least one similar poll here already.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 24 May 2007 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

Kevin - thanks for that!

That T.S. Monk youtube link really made my day

De nada, y'all. Overjoyed to turn people on to such joyous music. Now if Snrub comes around to "That's The Joint.."

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 24 May 2007 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

I love "Wheels of Steel" -- it was first hip-hop I ever bought -- but does anyone actually consider it danceable?

I don't. It's a problem with most megamixes. I touched on this very subject in a review of DJ Andy Smith's The Document I wrote eons ago for Addicted to Noise, probably lost forever in some cyber graveyard. But I'm sure someone could dance to it, someone highly caffeinated prolly.

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 24 May 2007 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

The greatest single ever made continues not to appear :-(

Ok, Marcello, what's the flippin' greatest single ever made already?

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 24 May 2007 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

"Stop Draggin' My Heart Around"?

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 24 May 2007 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: "Wheels of Steel" not danceable? Pshaw and phooey! It was a floor-filler at The Garage in Nottingham for several years.

mike t-diva, Thursday, 24 May 2007 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

Not to mention my Anthony Blanche-esque DJ sets at LMH yah.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 24 May 2007 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

OK, just askin'.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 24 May 2007 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

It would have been "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around" if it hadn't ripped off "Stormtrooper In Drag" by the Late, Great Paul Gardiner.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 24 May 2007 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, that Tom Petty is deep.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 24 May 2007 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

this was a very hard choice - went for soft cell, but it could easily have been 'heartbeat', 'ghost town', 'genius of love', grandmaster flash..

Robin G, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Ok until Marcello stops being mean and tells us what the greatest single of ever made is, I'm starting a rumor that he thinks it's Juice Newton's "Queen of Hearts."

"This coming from someone who thinks Juice Newton's 'Queen of Hearts' is the greatest single ever made?!?!?"

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 24 May 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Marcello's favourite single ever is of course "Begin The Beguine" by Julio Iglesias ;)

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 24 May 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

At a house party in February I put on a Mojo covermount CD of hip-hop roots--breakbeat stuff mostly. "Wheels of Steel" was on it and I tried skipping it over but the dancers made me keep it on. They danced to it all right, with zero error. I never thought I'd say this but you actually can dance to it.

Guess what I voted for?

Matos W.K., Thursday, 24 May 2007 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

btw, I'd forgotten until last week that I'd actually made MP3 folders of all the P&J singles lists through, I think, 2004 or maybe '05. Not entirely complete, but what was usually missing was B-sides (e.g. Don Henley's "A Month of Sundays," which was apparently cassette-only anyway). Educational, if nothing else.

Matos W.K., Thursday, 24 May 2007 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Boy, would I want a big ol' comp of all these Pazz & Jop singles. Almost as much as I'd want the time to compile one myself.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 May 2007 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

Matos, if you have a sec, could you drop me a line to see if we can set something up?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 May 2007 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

Don Henley's "A Month of Sundays," which was apparently cassette-only anyway

Nah, I've got the 7-inch. Geffen 1984, GEF A 4945

xhuxk, Friday, 25 May 2007 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

haha awesome, xhuxk

Matos W.K., Friday, 25 May 2007 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

btw, I'd forgotten until last week that I'd actually made MP3 folders of all the P&J singles lists through, I think, 2004 or maybe '05.

So, um, what would I have to do to persuade you to send me a copy?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 25 May 2007 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

(ahem) I wouldn't mind recieving a copy myself, you know.

The Reverend, Friday, 25 May 2007 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

Matos have I told you lately that I love you?

Dimension 5ive, Friday, 25 May 2007 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

We all love Matos! (hint hint)

JN$OT, Friday, 25 May 2007 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

Update:

Juice Newton's "Queen Of Hearts" isn't a patch on her "Angel Of The Morning."

"Begin The Beguine" might be in my top 200 singles, but not at the very top.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 25 May 2007 10:11 (nineteen years ago)


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