What is your favourite TYPE of Rock music?

um, power pop?

where is "go and crawl back under your ROCK, you cave-dwellers"

I can't wait to see what the lex votes for
damn x-post

give funk rock a vote lex. You might like Funkadelic or stuff like that.

Can someone do a whats your most hated genre of music for the lex to vote on?

He would have to choose which genre of rock he hates most!

What does punk come under??

indie rock probably! xp

i do like some music which others have described as 'rock' actually - dunno what category it fits into though. pj harvey, hole, ashlee simpson, x, yeah yeah yeahs...what are they?

oh and the raveonettes

Also, for extra thrills, list onONE

this go chewed up for some reason. it's meant to say:

Also, for extra thrills, pick one song you think fits each of these subgenres. People may have different ideas on the definitions, but I did not want too many options here.

Those genre boundaries are frankly bizarre. My actual favourite taste is sprawled across at least 3 of them.

Where's the "I hate rock" option?

Where's the "if you don't like something DON'T READ IT" option?

yes, um, punk rock.

Lex > do you like Funkadelic or Parliament? or any 70s funk bands?

and, er, pub rock.

Same question for Tuomas

i've never heard funkadelic or parliament though they are on the "must get round to one day" list. what should i tick based on the rock acts i do like?

I somehow left out a separate Punk option but as this is really for subgenres that exist today, Punk can be included in either YOR or Heavy/Hard depending on what you like about it (or name me some CURRENT punk bands that wouldn't fit into these)

Yeah I like seventies funk, but I wouldn't call it "rock", even if it's guitar-lead. I think there's a difference between "funk rock" bands and funk bands with prominent guitarists.

Parliament are the funky more horn/groove/vocals based band. Funkadelic is the weird assed psychedelic black rock band.

I guess Parliament may be the place for you to start. (Not osmium though as that's basically Funkadelic but then had to change their name etc)

Brigadier can you not turn this into a Lex interview? ta

I think 'I hate all of these' type options are pointless.

also by Funk Rock i was thinking more Prince-perfected template then adapted by RHCP and whatnot but that's a can of worms i didn't really want to open

experimental rock >>> prog rock >>> everything else

Tuomas there's a whole genre of 70s Black Rock bands. and many of them kick ass. But yeah there is more to them than just rock And the singers are usually better too.

sorry steve. I'll shut up now.

I mean, where does spacerock fit in? Is hard rock, or experimental rock or prog rock, or does it go under indie because of the shoegaze elements?

And what about freakbeat? Is that garage or psych or art school experimentalism? It certainly doesn't belong in a genre with post-punk.

pj harvey, hole, ashlee simpson, x, yeah yeah yeahs...what are they?

-- lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:27 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

oh and the raveonettes

-- lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:28 (8 minute

with the exception of ashlee, i believe this genre is called indie rock

"pj harvey, hole, ashlee simpson, x, yeah yeah yeahs"

That plus ravenottes and minus ashlee = indie rock.

Sorry lex.

ha ha x-post!

I know the lines can be blurry, but Funkadelic is probably the only funk band I've ever heard that I might call "funk rock".

i like the kills too.

oh well at least it's not "prog rock"

This isn't going to be a real thread, is it? It's just going to be a Lex coconut shy until Geir turns up and kills the whole thing stone dead, isn't it? Oh well.

Too many polls anyway.

A whole host of those bands described themselves as funk rock or black rock. There used to be a brilliant site with interviews of Mandrill, Isley Bros (70s stuff) , funkadelic ,Bar-Kays and the like. Hell even the bar-kays called their album "Black Rock".

Sorry to steve for hijacking the thread into funk rock.

oh and i'm not having a go at the lex. I'm trying to see if he would like Parliament and stuff like that!

i would put PJ Harvey, Hole and Yeah Yeah Yeahs all GENERALLY under Hard/Heavy Rock but really you have to think about SONGS not ARTISTS here.

Punk can be included in either YOR or Heavy/Hard depending on what you like about it (or name me some CURRENT punk bands that wouldn't fit into these)

any takers?

I wouldn't consider PJ or YYY heavy rock at all. Hole certainly do have hard rock fans though.

PJ should mind you.

btw I've revived Best Black-Rock/Funk bands/Albums from 60's/70's/80's? so we don't ruin this thread.

I'll go with Heavy/Hard rock choice, just so long as it's understood that that category can include the likes of Alice Cooper, Sex Pistols, Ramones, Motorhead, NY Dolls, etc. Otherwise it would probably have to be Classic Rock.

xp

do you not like any modern heavy/hard rock then JN$OT?

i do like some music which others have described as 'rock' actually - dunno what category it fits into though. pj harvey, hole, ashlee simpson, x, yeah yeah yeahs...what are they?

"stuff that it's OK to cite without any likelihood of anyone calling you uncool for", big surprise.

I voted for prog rock. Prog rock is the best.

"Pick one song that fits each of these categories"
(I'll try and pick one awesome song)
AOR (stadium fillers, multiple #1 albums etc.)
Mylene Farmer "Deshabillez-Moi"
YOR (inc. emo, pop-punk, nu-metal derived etc.)
sorry, I just can't do it.
Classic Rock n' Roll (blues-based and inc. glam)
Cream "White Room"
Heavy/Hard Rock (inc. garage rock, grunge and modern equivalents)
Pink Fairies "City Kids"
Metal
Dimmu Borgir "Progenies of the Great Apocalypse"
'Indie' Rock/Pop (pretty much anything jangly and (initially at least) on a small label so inc. shoegaze)
Levitation "Arcs of Light and Dew"
Experimental Rock (inc. post-punk, psyche, art, post-rock etc.)
Henry Cow "Beautiful as the Moon - Terrible as an Army With Banners"
Prog Rock
Genesis "Seven Stones"
Funk Rock
Funkadelic "What is Soul"
Country & Folk Rock
Shirley Collins & the Albion Country Band "The Murder of Maria Marten"

Will that do?

OK back to work now!

If there is supposed to be an element of rock, rather than just classic pop, then prog rock is it. I miss pomp rock though (which is sort of the missing link between prog and AOR - think ELO, 10cc, Queen - that would be my fave genre)

Not many fans of nowness on this thread.

do you not like any modern heavy/hard rock then JN$OT?

No, not very much, unfortunately.

that's OK

um, power pop?

I guess that classifies a pop. Although there's certainly a rock element.

Oh, I love PJH and Hole (White Stripes, too, if they count), so uh...never mind what I said before then.

I want a grindcore option.

ROCK TRACKS I have been listening to in the last month or so. (some of these probably cross boundaries a bit much to fit cosily in where I've bracketed them)

AOR: Celine Dion - "Think Twice"
YOR: My Chemical Romance - "Teenagers"
Classic Rock n' Roll: Lonnie Mack - "Chicken Pickin"
Heavy/Hard Rock: Good Charlotte - "Keep Your Hands Off My Girl"
Metal: erm dunno, something Jel sent me no doubt!!
'Indie' Rock/Pop: The Sounds - "Tony The Beat"
Experimental Rock: Disco Inferno - "Technicolour"
Prog Rock: Focus - "Hocus Pocus"
Funk Rock: erm dunno - The Times - "Jungle Love" a lot lately but I guess that's just 'funk'
Country & Folk Rock: Blue Ridge Rangers - "Back In The Hills"

I really like all of these! I am going to tick YOR though to show solidarity with The Kids. Actually no, classic rock'n'roll cos it's what I'm listening to most.

does 'Think Twice' have guitar on it?

or is it just some bird muck?

It's the only AOR I've been into recently. Actually, if multiple top albums and stadiums are yr criteria then the Stones fit! So "Turd On The Run", by them.

Ex-King Crimson lyricist Pete Sinfield co-wrote "Think Twice" so it does count but then so should "Land Of Make Believe."

bah i thought you were talking about the carl craig/detroit experiment 'think twice' for a second

"stuff that it's OK to cite without any likelihood of anyone calling you uncool for", big surprise.

yeah like ashlee simpson, wtf

i dunno, i kind of think of rock music as lynyrd skynrd and little feat.

ive never heard little feat, but maybe i would like them

basically dudes with beards from the south in the 70s, thats what rock music should be

I think it's about the purpose of that genre and what it represents, not really who it represents and how it goes about doing that.

i understand though, i got angry this morning, a bird did a shit and some went on my hand. not such an amazing pidgeon this time

i felt a lot better when i realised it actually went on someone elses hand though

I'll be made up if I can actually render justgotoffed impotent.

a bird did a shit and some went on my hand.

you shouldn't have been carrying that copy of 'Think Twice'

weird thing is, i dont get my left and right hand mixed up, but in such a rush i got my hand mixed up with another persons hand. if i cant get my hands right, i'll never get master my genres.

That's one bizarre list of options up there ("heavy" and "metal" in different categories?) and one that's guaranteed to please nobody. But if I had to choose (and I DO) I would have to say "Funk Rock" - but only if I have the right to decide who is or isn't funky (and I DO). Which means that my definition is much more inclusive than Tuomas'. I am willing to accept the premise that rock is "guitar-led", but even that can be a bit shakey. Little Richard's music was rarely guitar-dominant, and if he's not a rocker...etc.

I'll be made up if I can actually render justgotoffed impotent.

How droll. Between this and the 'top 20 posters' thread I just don't know what's gotten into ILX today.

but gordon ramsay.

Between this and the 'top 20 posters' thread I just don't know what's gotten into ILX today.

i think ILX is the same today as it is every day, but are you?

"heavy" and "metal" in different categories?

heavy rock is not the same as 'heavy metal' tho. a lot of garage rock, Nirvana clones/wannabies and the like are heavy without being metal.

Little Richard's music was rarely guitar-dominant, and if he's not a rocker...etc.

sure but you're talking about someone not around today, which is what this poll was focussing on (tho i should've stressed that more).

good point. you could also have thought about starting a good poll

Little Richard is around today. He's 72 but he's still going.

I think exam stress may have had some sort of effect on my judgement. The heat is wearing my patience reserves down...

AOR (stadium fillers, multiple #1 albums etc.) - hilary
YOR (inc. emo, pop-punk, nu-metal derived etc.) - avril
Classic Rock n' Roll (blues-based and inc. glam) - kelly c.
Heavy/Hard Rock (inc. garage rock, grunge and modern equivalents) - kelly o.
Metal - kittie
'Indie' Rock/Pop (pretty much anything jangly and (initially at least) on a small label so inc. shoegaze) - nellie
Experimental Rock (inc. post-punk, psyche, art, post-rock etc.) - joanna
Prog Rock - fiona
Funk Rock - amy
Country & Folk Rock - norah

you could also have thought about starting a good poll

like a 'what's your favourite album from this list of albums that all came out in the same year and were judged good according to this magazine/gaggle o' critics' or 'what's your favourite track on this album'? i just can't operate on that kind of level g. this is probably no better/worse than those but i'd rather think/talk about genres than albums/songs/years right now.

i wasn't going top include the stuff in brackets and kinda wish i hadn't but it was hard to tell which approach would cause more confusion.

weird thing is, i dont get my left and right hand mixed up, but in such a rush i got my hand mixed up with another persons hand.

Squaddies sit on their hand for hours to achieve this effect, if anything you should be pleased

It all comes down to personal definitions, obv.

Like, Marcello would call Peter Brotzmann's Machine Gun hard rock, whereas I'd say it's definitely metal.

warning POLL: LONG AWAITED best SINGLE of 6Ts pOLL!!!

this was a good poll thread

I didn't adjectivise "rock" in that comment.

i didn't like it g, too much choice

bah i thought you were talking about the carl craig/detroit experiment 'think twice' for a second
-- 696, Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:58 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link

isn't this a Donald Byrd/mizell brother's song? surprised gareth wouldn't know this.

There's something either just cheap or weirdly British about separating indie as "jangly stuff" and cordoning it off from stuff like post-rock and especially post-punk -- apart from whatever casual listeners just happen to like a Shins song or something, there would seem to be total continuity between post-punk and the past couple decades of indie, both in terms of listeners and influence!

i think british is the thing nabs. the stone roses happened here.

NO POSTROCK NO CREDIBILITY

isn't this a Donald Byrd/mizell brother's song? surprised gareth wouldn't know this.

-- jaxon, Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10

oopsie, i forgot!

Well, that one was a bit of a no-brainer. Next.

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I guess all these answers count in their way, but I was really hoping for a lot more SPRAWL in terms of genre choices at the top.

Also, re "guitar-led": Earl Palmer invented rock and roll.

AOR: Celine Dion - "Think Twice"

More like MOR than AOR. (And MOR isn't rock)

Martian-Oriented Rock!!

Is Geir a Martian?

isgodaman?

An Arthur Comix reference for you ol'punkas!

There's something either just cheap or weirdly British about separating indie as "jangly stuff" and cordoning it off from stuff like post-rock and especially post-punk -- apart from whatever casual listeners just happen to like a Shins song or something, there would seem to be total continuity between post-punk and the past couple decades of indie, both in terms of listeners and influence!

-- nabisco, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 22:23

why is it weird to feel the need to differentiate between idea of guitar-led 'indie' rock and so called post-rock and post-punk ideas?

when you say indie what kind of records are you talking about?

I like psychedelia but I don't like post-rock, so I can't vote for "Experimental Rock"

of course you can. you can vote for what you feel is the best general representation of the idea of 'experimental rock'.

well done on liking all psychedelic rock records ever in any case.

Indie, the way the term is being used in Europe, in a way, is considerably more accesible than postrock, postpunk or the more noisy kinds of alternative rock. On the other hand, more "alternative" than AOR. I guess it does have quite a bit in common with powerpop, except it tends to have more of a low-fi ideal sound-wise than powerpop does (in that indie=trying to sound as cheap as possible while most current powerpop=trying to sound hi-fi with low-fi budgets)

what is a recent powerpop song? i rarely see/use the term

what is a recent powerpop song?

"Stacy's Mom" by Fountains Of Wayne may be the most famous example. Powerpop has become kind of an underground movement though.

yeah like ashlee simpson, wtf

-- lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 13:00 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

OK you got me there, I've no comeback on that one.

rock on ILM

I'm proud of you, ILM

It seems fair to say then that, in much the same way that Snow Patrol's 'Eyes Open' was the UK's favourite album last year, ILM's most favourite thing about Rock n' Roll is it's capacity and scope to yield ideas about sound that challenge, subvert or re-interpret established musical conventions - as many may have expected.

that is because the average ILM'er likes better music than the average UK album purchaser, news at 11

I miss Miccio - surely he would've voted YOR!

I was the one AOR voter! Not Geir, me!

i would have voted gabba again but my hand slipped again as the spring onion fell to the floor