Your favourite TYPE of popular contemporary Dance Music out of these genres/styles

Where would I tick for nu rave?

see the Best Rock thread

OH NO DO NOT MAKE ME CHOOSE BETWEEN R&B AND HOUSE

though i don't understand these categories at all, really.

what's not to understand?

remember the 'House or Techno: choose one' thread? it's a bit like that, but with more choices.

is "hip pop" even a genre?

is hip hop dance music?

No dubstep :(

Yes, I know you said popular.

House.

Hip Pop is a more accurate description of R&B than R&B.

Trance, even though I can't stand listening to it anymore, I used to like it so much :( so I voted for it.

y no idm

"popular" "contemporary"

precisely arf

end of discussion

i'm calling all IDM 'Warptronic' these days.

i voted for trance

pashmina and strongo - what's your favourite trance track?

Speaking only as a part-time casual trance fan I don't see how it could be anything other than Gouryella by Gouryella.

went for house. not much of a cop nowadays but then that wasn't what your question was about.

i did want it to be 'vote based on which one you like best NOW' tho

"sandstorm" obviously

argh

or DJ SAMMY

is "cafe del mar" trance?

I don't get it... What has disco do with punk? Are "jazz-funk" and "disco-punk" meant to denote single genres, or is it "jazz/funk" and "disco /punk"?

man, dfa needs a better distribution deal in finland...

i was going to vote in this poll, but then i decided not to

thanks for keeping us abreast, as always

hah until strongo's post i was about to ask if 'sandstorm' is trance

in college that song got played at EVERY russian suite party

that's a shame 696, maybe you prefer the more cerebral 'best track on this album' or 'best album that came out THIS year according to the Daily Mail and some amazing pigeons' polls. scoff scoff.

is "cafe del mar" trance?

i'd lump it in there as the lighter side of trance - it's pizz strings breakdown is just too epic to be prog-house

i was going to vote in this poll, but then I decided not to

when good people stop caring democracy has failed. this poll may stave off another vital poll for minutes to come.

Is "dico-punk" the same as "dance-punk"? If so, I think the latter name is much better, or at least the tunes I've heard have had very little to do with disco. And why is "jazz-funk" listed as a "contemporary dance music genre"? Have I missed a revival?

you have missed many things apparently

Picked dancehall.

"What it is you feel elevates your choice above the others"

It's actually still good.

what makes it still good?

i think 'Sandstorm' is as close to Hard House as it is to Trance but few songs escape such overlapping.

So there is a jazz-funk revival?

i think 'Sandstorm' is as close to Hard House as it is to Trance

reason being 'Sandstorm's vague similarity to something like the Pump Panel mix of New Order's 'Confusion' which was the template a lot of Hard House from mid 90s onwards.

So there is a jazz-funk revival?

no there isn't. but there should be.

Jamiroquai is still popular.

it's all jazz-funk at the end of the day

esp. Herbert lol

I voted for hip hop because it's the only thing I ever hear at clubs or where-ever else you go to dance. But I live in America.

"what makes it still good?"

A 40+ year lineage of music to fall back when you run out of new ideas.

the lack of BLOG HOUSE on this list is an oversight

no it was a conscious decision based on sound judgement

A 40+ year lineage of music to fall back when you run out of new ideas.

so 40 is better than 25?

more hooks to recycle

for the benefit of Tuomas the archetypal popular contemporary Disco-Punk track is either 'Let's Make Love And Listen Death From Above' or 'House Of Jealous Lovers' depending on whether it's an odd or even hour of the day.

this is all relative really. i mean, house music these days (not funky house and that shit with scantily-clad blondes miming on Bubble Hits) has so much in common with electro and techno it may as well be one of those. I'd call Justice, Gabriel Ananda and Michael Mayer House, but really they're not very House at all.

Techno to me means the colder, darker shit. An aversion to wailing divas, piano triads and general flounciness. Stuff like Jeff Mills, Richie Hawtin, early Aphex Twin etc is pure Techno. But then Orbital are also Techno in my mind and they can be quite pretty.

Plaid used to be black dog who were ambient techno but i'd call them IDM*. chems started out being lumped into big beat and trip hop but then got labelled "electronica" by the US press (i don't like the term "electronica" unless it is used to mean any electronic music in general).

*"i hate the term idm, it implies that other dance music is stupid and anyway you can't dance to it" - Everyone in the fucking world for the millionth time.
"no it doesn't, yes you can" - me :-)

srsly why do people hear Justice as House? have they even made a 4/4 track ever? it's not as if Daft Punk were 100% House ten years ago or on 'Discovery'.

woah, this is one of the weirdest discussions on dance music i've seen in a while. wherez yo headz?

also, it always astounds me that there are still lots of dnb freaks out there.

i voted techno. either that or deep house is what gets me excited.

why weird?

grozart, you don't follow today's techno, and it is obvious.

weird? because it sort of seems like people are talking as much about the past as right now, when the thread title reads "contemporary." that and some of these categories are a bit off-- jazz-funk should really be replaced with space/beardo (in my mind), and deep-house should really be up there. the number of people listening to Deep House in 2007 definitely beats the number of people who are still really into gabba.

i mean, just flip through the DJ Nights section of any paper, or even go into a dance record store, and there's tons more contemporary Deep House than contemporary Hardcore/Gabba.

hmm ... you must not live in the netherlands

that's sound advice

i think you have a point in that today there is so much fragmentation that the inclusive terms above do not mean so much today. critics and whoever can refer to increasingly narrow/marginal styles and scene names which operate like branches of the above terms.

i do not yet recognise "space/beardo" as an official subgenre - is it listed in any magazines? anything 4/4 in that vein i'd stick under House, anything else is Jazz-Funk ;) just keeping it simple you understand...

But Deep House is a subset of House obviously. I don't recall ever noticing anyone on ILM keener on Gabba/Hardcore stuff more than anything else but one lives in hope.

we need a Gabba Geir who tediously insists that if it's not 180bpm+, risks accusations of fascism and gives you a nosebleed just 4 seconds in then it's rubbish.

Steve seriously what crack pipe are you smoking on this thread?

But Deep House is a subset of House obviously

yeah so just fucking leave it out, as if within house there can be no opposing sounds.

i do not yet recognise "space/beardo" as an official subgenre - is it listed in any magazines? anything 4/4 in that vein i'd stick under House, anything else is Jazz-Funk ;) just keeping it simple you understand...

that's the right kind of thinking. i hate people who divide and and conquer. united we stand!

oh look an Angry Ronan

what about all the opposing sounds in Hip-Hop, Indie-Rock etc. - does it stop people referring to them as unified set of sounds/ideas? NOPE

what about all the opposing sounds in "music", or the many opposing factions under the umbrella of "things".

is it listed in any magazines?

well, no. usually in a magazine it's designated as disco/funk, or something dumbo like that.

they are totally irrelevant here imo (xp)

technically Deep House is not a subset of House. Deep House was the term that was used to describe pre-house music from the early 80s, and basically disco, for at least a few years before Deep House came to mean house music that draws from those sources. For instance, when I was first getting into the stuff, Let No Man Put Asunder, Touch and Go, Together Forever etc was all "Deep House".

ok

1. i'm not sure what any of these genres mean any more. they were invented up to two decades ago and have since shifted and changed and blended together it's impossible to discern them.

2. what the fucking fuck is beardo/space?

Beards cannot grow in space.

xpost. Don't be so Tuomas/Lexy. There's a whole Beardo thread on ILM if you really care.

it has about a billion answers on it though jim. also, what is tuomas/lexy?

Asking what something is or stating that you are unfamiliar with something when a quick search of ILX or even just a google could elucidate things for you.

Although I just realised that googling beard house is fairly futile.

yeah - i did try! is it really a genre or something that ilx has made up? is it like, amorphous androgynous or what?

grozart, beardo/space in the contemporary context is:
Lindstrom/Prins Thomas collabs, Idjut Boys, most anything from Whatever We Want Records (Quiet Village, Map of Africa), a lot of the stuff on Bear Funk (Lexx, Michoacan, etc).

space disco is quite old tho, so eh.

ok man, cheers for that. must say i've never heard a single thing by any of those apart from one idjut boys track that i really liked... "underwater" i think it was? or maybe it wasn't even by them.

a good summation of the beardo aesthetic can be found on the Beats in Space site...Nov. 3rd 2005 mix from Carlos and Quiet Village.

really a fantastic mix, imo..

much better then the dan selzer plays early industrial/post-punk synth stuff on beats in space. or at least I assume, as that doesn't happen untill tonight.

http://loveanddancing.sitesled.com/493531372_2555967b1b_o.jpg

thanks for reminding me to turn images off

cool

The results seem to match pretty well the amount these styles get talked about on ILM ratio-wise.

I voted Electro because of what I hear as it's distinct pervasive influence on House, Pop, Rap and indeed Rock music, whether by a slow burn process or specific period of revivalism, this decade. And because I like the vibes of it.

so.... house and techno are the most popular dance genres?

*takes notes*

grozart if you really want to get a handle on the beardo / space disco thing it's basically a continuation of cosmic disco as practiced in club cosmic in italy during the disco heyday.

everything goes in, dancing comes out

but isn't beardo/cosmic more to actual disco/proto-house what trip-hop/IDM is to actual hip-hop/techno, i.e. more chill-out/headphone music than the soundtrack to freaking out? i think so. it's great for what it is though.

i don't know, the beardo producers do some tight mixes

although yes it seems to all be -120 bpm

yeah it depends, I've seen people freak out to Prins Thomas "Fehrara" but there's some pot smokin' slo-mo jazz fusion stuff that falls under the umbrella too

you can also mix fehrara in with old chicago records and it fits really nice. 122bpm

I think there is a separation between the beardo/cosmic hipster stuff and the more functional track based nu-disco stuff. I have been enjoying 40 Thieves, Disques Sinthomme, Barfly on Rong, the environ/escort related material and a handful of good random edit records. I definitely think there is a line between this stuff that is modern dance music with retro window dressing and the "ironic" balearic throwback that seems to be gain ground at the moment.

It depends on who is doing and where they are coming from. I have a problem with a lot of this stuff because it just seems so steeped in obscurity and irony. I have far less patience for the hipster/record nerd aspect of beardo than I do for the DJ/producer angle. I just can't stand the intentional silliness of some of the mixes I've heard. I just get this feeling of closet indie snobs subconsciously thinking: haha I get dance music too, haha isn't it great to dabble in this fake music.

I think there is a separation between the beardo/cosmic hipster stuff and the more functional track based nu-disco stuff.

well yeah but a lot of times I don't know where it is. like the title of the thread is "not idjuts / lindstrom" but the latest lindstrom track is a cover of vangelis "let it happen" which is like nu-beardo canon.

I guess what you call the "hipster/record nerd aspect" I appreciate as crate digging, and I don't see that much irony in it .... then again I am a record nerd and I like Daniel Wang and some of the more e-z listening stuff about equally

I respect digging. What I don't respect is when music appreciation becomes the sonic equivalent of comic book collecting. I don't like it when I hear a set and I feel like I am listening to a DJ show off his sweet collection of Marvel obscurities. I respect people digging up great records that are rare but inherently great rather than records that are obscure for a reason but obscure from a fashionably correct time period.

I am thinking of people on myspace that go crazy for a shitty italo pop obscurity that isn't good at all. It isn't even the second rate stuff, it is just cheesy garbage. They go on about some mp3 like they have uncovered some lost holy italo grail. It produces zero visceral reaction, there isn't anything clever or funky about it. It just makes me wonder if these guys have ever really gotten off on a good dance gig.

I am sorry if you feel that I was taking a shot at you, I wasn't.

not at all, just discussing

I agree w/ your latest post

the previous one I interpreted as saying something along the lines of "no one could like Alan Parsons Project [insert other beardo revival names here] except ironically" ... which ain't the case

"inherently great" is kind of a weird measuring stick for records though. I know what yer saying but I guess I give a little benefit of the doubt and just think "some people are way too into italo"

display name...I agree with you most of the time, but I also feel like its to easy to say that when very often, people are just playing what they like and what turns them on. Everybody is more forgiving of their little pet genres and for every DJ who's just showing off some obscurity, there's another who genuinely likes it, even if you think it's cheesy garbage.

Noooo, DnB got shafted!

no contemporary dance as in MERCE CUNNINGHAM.

re-poll oh wait!

i voted for jazz funk