letz talk abt gucci mane

--nicci mane

supposed to be ''eron' sry

Gucci Mane :: Trap House :: Big Cat Records/La Flare Ent.
as reviewed by Steve 'Flash' Juon
The most famous thing Radric 'Gucci Mane' Davis has done yet in his young life is be arrested for murder. Before May 19th the only knowledge the public had of Mane was the small amount of success his single "Icy" featuring Young Jeezy had found in some markets before the scheduled national release of his debut album "Trap House" on May 24th. Starved for any kind of press, good or bad, Gucci Mane's people immediately sent out a statement touting that Mane had voluntarily turned himself in to face these charges; subsequently Mane and his attorney managed to post bail and get him out of jail just as the album hit stores.

There was a time in hip-hop music when such an announcement would be viewed as a tragedy - a young man set to make his name nationally throws away his opportunity and faces an uncertain future possibly including jail time. Instead it's a sign of the cynical world that we live in that not only is this news fodder for a press release but viewed as the kind of publicity that could propel him to the top. While it's true that there is a disturbing correlation between the success of rappers and violent gun-related crimes, most were the recipient of the violence. Tupac Shakur survived several attacks on his life, and with each failure the already highly talented artist achieved a more iconic status; his ultimate demise making him a martyr in many eyes and keeping album sales high well after his death. Notorious B.I.G. was already a worldwide rap superstar before he was gunned down and had been for some time. Even 50 Cent had risen beyond local notoriety with several singles like "How to Rob" before the attempt on his life nearly blew his face off. In short, rappers are the victims of their fame, not the perpetrators of the violence in an ATTEMPT to gain fame.

Recently the trend has swung heavily in the other direction. Whether they are truly innocent and being railroaded by the system or as guilty as their convictions would indicate, MC's from Shyne to C-Murder to Pimp C to T.I. have had to do time for their crimes. The remarkable thing about all four is that being locked up has been no impediment to releasing a new album that appears in stores. While Gucci Mane's album was already in the can before he wound up in the pen, it's still telling that all parties involved used the timing of the incident to their advantage. One can only hope Mr. Davis was really not looking for more publicity via these means and that this is just a case of wrong place/wrong time or at the very worst self-defense. When the smoke clears from this incident the debut album "Trap House" still remains as the TRUE platform for Gucci Mane to achieve his success, not these unfortunate charges. Clocking in at 18 tracks including an intro, outro and several skits, this full-length release puts both Mane and Big Cat Records on the map. The latter clearly has big plans, as they even put an ad for an upcoming album by Magic and a "404 vs. 504" compilation underneath the clear tray on which Mane's CD sits.

Now as for the artist himself, the sad truth here is that there's not much to write about other than his arrest record. Mane follows in the recent tradition of debuting Southern rappers whose rhyme schemes are overly simplstic, accents are extra thick, and beats are incredibly uninteresting. Even the lead single "Icy" has a barely passable beat by Xavier Dotson, p.k.a. "Zaytoven" according to the liner notes. I'd hold off on the comparisons to Beethoven just yet if I were him - a simple series of electronic beats and beeps does not a maestro make. Neither rapper in the song has anything interesting to say, but Mane comes off half as clever as Jeezy, who at least manages a semi-clever reference to Ginuwine in his opening verse. Mane has nothing:

"She diggin my fit, she think I'm the shit
Is this a chain on my neck, or the watch in my wrist
Maybe the ice in my ear, or the brace-eh-let
But she look like the type that could take a dick
Uhhhhhhh... young Gucci Mane
Don't kiss me baby you can kiss my chain
Uhhhh - ya gotta be a dime piece
just to look at the rocks in my time piece"

The lyrical critique here is not just of the inane materialistic content, because that type of material is so prevalent in today's hip-hop anyway and there are some who do it well or at least have enough charisma to make it interesting. Mane is charismatic and not completely unpleasant vocally, but adding an extra syllable to the word "bracelet" in order to rhyme it with "take a dick" insults both your eardrum and your intelligence. Furthermore after a certain amount of time one has to question the quality of chicks these "iced out" rappers pull, when they look like tens on the outside but are so vapid on the inside they only care about how much sparkle you wear. It's not as if this song is an exception to the rule and Mane offers more profound wisdom elsewhere on his album. Rather this song is the height of what are otherwise a string of lyrical lows. Here's another example of how clever Gucci Mane is: "Don't let yo' mouth write a check that yo' ass cain't cash/I'm the lawnmower man, and yo' ass is grass." That might have been clever back in 1992 but it's heavily dated today, and the fact it's the hook of a song NAMED "Lawnmower Man" isn't helping. Here's some more of Mane's talent on this track:

"Uhhhhh, I'm from the hood I'll punch ya lights out
... I took your jewelry, now I'm iced out
(icy icy) Gucci Mane got that 'caine in
(I ain't got no bricks) I swear I never tuck my chain in
... You just a thug in trainin
... I'm a thug entertainin"

No Mane, you're not entertaining. The closest this album gets to entertaining is a parody of Dem Franchize Boyz "White Tee" entitled "Black Tee" that features Bun B, Lil Scrappy and Jody Breeze among others - and while the talent on their version is better the Franchize Boyz still win for having a better beat than the one Zaytoven provides here. I'd like to say Gucci Mane has a bright future in front of him as a rapper if he beats the charges, but songs like "Damn Shawty" contradict the statement with ridiculous lyrics like "Shawty got an ass on hurr, I'ma put my hands on hurr, I'ma spend a couple grand on hurr, I'ma pop a rubber band on hurr." Much as I knocked Mike Jones in a review a few weeks ago, one has to give Jones credit for three things: more interesting beats, better hooks to his songs, and a gimmick that's memorable no matter how ridiculous it might be. Gucci Mane has none of these things going for him. His only gimmick right now is his infamy, and even that won't last when people see how vapid his music is.

Music Vibes: 4 of 10 Lyric Vibes: 4 of 10 TOTAL Vibes: 4 of 10

mod delete that asap

how to rob, lool

getting shot must hurt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Zaytoven" according to the liner notes

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST

"Zaytoven" !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACa7M4A7hso

trap house VS back to the traphouse

'i know why' is a jam

trap house VS back to the traphouse

-- am0n, Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:18 PM

SHAWTY ASKED ME WHAT TIME IT IS
I SAID 15 MINUTES PAST THE DIAMONDS, BITCH

shit how did i miss this revive!!! back to the traphouse is my shit

ah-choo im rich say gesundheit bitch

game kills his verse

Ha-choo! I’m rich/Say gesundheit, bitch/Please excuse me, miss/Excuse my French/My necklace look like Cris/Your diamonds look like piss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4tRd3KSqkA&feature=PlayList&p=EAF97ADC0CFFD900&index=1

you can't be me or see me unless you see me on tv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWXN5n_y1s8

luv this song

and bird flu

gucci dont drink beer
but he do drink dom

gucci mane get cake
its my birthday party

you just had to post the "drink dom" line on the one forum on the internet where that has a really disturbing connotation

i like gucci cuz he sounds like he is always having the most fun of any rapper around

you just had to post the "drink dom" line on the one forum on the internet where that has a really disturbing connotation

-- some dude, Monday, June 23, 2008 12:54 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

was kinda hoping someone would run w/ that one

gucci mane you stupid man i love the way you flowin
ridin in my drop but i dont know where Im goin
on 285 i keep ridin in a circle
the inside of my ride smellin like a pound of purple

You mix a little Coke with a little Dom Passantino/ And a little Fennessey/ You know we fine to carry on

ok ban me

lol

ok ban me

-- am0n, Monday, June 23, 2008 1:29 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

in the spirit of a luriqua thread

'freaky gurl' is so great

Gucci Mane is some dirty mofo tho. He actually shames me with his existance.

jordan s was right about the album :D

thx

i posted this upthread already but i'm still d-_-bing it. soulja boy's been getting some real rappers on his tracks lately (two w/ gucci-- the one w/ gucci and shawty lo is only aight) and this one is the best of the collabos. pretty sick verse from gucci
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4tRd3KSqkA&feature=PlayList&p=EAF97ADC0CFFD900&index=1

yeah i know! i heard that last week i think. immediate faves off nback to the traphouse - 'bird flu', 'i move chickens'. and this is the first i've heard from shawnna in an age, too

http://a235.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_9a238e4a62390869af87bdb7dc064be2.jpg

http://www.zshare.net/audio/17858112c400b8d0/

im not richie rich bitch but im rich as fuck

/!\ ALERT /!\ gucci mane said ti's balls were brittle /!\ ALERT /!\

-- luriqua, Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:42 PM (1 year ago)

like garfield odie nigga ima dogg

loool amon

i'm a junkyard dog not a scooby doo
i got that white girl true i'm talking betty boop

^^leave it to gucci to come up w/ the only original white girl reference 10 months after it was a "thing"

i'm just getting through those mixtapes now

i really like this weird raspy croak that he's got when he sings his hooks ("nickelodeon", "haunted house") and originally i thought his mixtape tracks were too blunted to really register for me (whereas back to the traphouse is glossy as fuck and tons of fun to listen to) but i'm kind of digging the mood but maybe i'm just projecting

nickelodeon is insane

no wayne flashbacks intended by using the phrase "weird raspy croak"

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh96ru8A8umq54y386

video of gucci bussin mac bre-z upside the head

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh99w7x526oig4pLlm

less entertaining more educational video of zaytoven talking about working w/ gucci -- real interesting actually

hmm i guess that vid isnt really entertaining as much as disturbing xp

But the boilerplate lyrics accusation has been around forever

yeah by people who didn't know what they were talking about lol

i've quite liked some of his guest verses this year -- black beatles and vibin in this bih come to mind immediately -- but i agree with deej that his solo tracks have been pretty stiff

"The wrong people like him" is a reliable sign sure I like to think of them as negative indicators

I can't even argue with that, lol. I still enjoy this album though.

I think his verses are as good as they've been in years; it's the hooks that seem a little tired to me. Small quibble though. I'm just enjoying hearing him enjoy rapping again.

I like his bit in "Black Beatles."

black beatles, step it up, champions, prolly, guwop home all p.good recent stuff

His voice just sounds like a different rapper to me now.

That's mostly because he's sober, perhaps?

Anyway, falling out of love with someone is never pretty but it can't be helped I guess. Woptober is still one of my favorite albums this year and Everybody's Looking has its gems too.

i wouldn't go as far as 'favorite albums this year' but i gave woptober a good listen & its def an improvement over everybody's looking

Projected 17-20k

http://images.pigeonsandplanes.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,w_1030/uqrlpnnybw3u3aa8q8nu.png

“Last night, me and Future met up in Atlanta," Gucci Mane told Miss Info. "We ditched our entourages, we didn’t book my usual studio, or his usual studio… It’s like we knew we wanted to fly under the radar. There was like this positive competition in the room. I’d hear him go in on a verse, and I knew I had to step up.”​

Explaining his chemistry with Future, Gucci continues, “He would say the same back, and we knocked out 6 songs so crazy that I knew we couldn’t just sit on it. We talked about recording some more, adding more songs. But I didn’t want to over think it or over plan things. Even Future didn’t think we were dropping this tonight. This is the freshest it can get. These joints ain’t even 24 hours old. That’s like bringing you in the studio with us.”

lol same ol gwop

This is bad

yea not into it

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/06/504593590/gucci-mane-tiny-desk-concert

Gucci doing 3 songs live accompanied by Zaytoven on piano by the NPR tiny desk

I don't understand why it sounds like this. Is he rapping over guide vocals? Is he rapping at all?

? it sounds normal to me

I guess I must've been thrown by the delay on his vocals or something. The whole thing just sounded overdubbed and weird to me.

watched the "first day out" performance and found it a little lifeless but it's a cool idea i guess

he was def rapping over his own vocals some, standard practice these days, the piano/minimal beats were p cool imo

You can def hear him over the backing track, cuz he did his own radio edits lol

i thought the performance was great, i mean it's a tiny desk perf what more are you looking for

more banjo and glockenspiel tbh

this has been true for a long time, but online culture often celebrates ~the idea~ of a rapper more than the actual rapper, and this seems like a peak example of that

that's kind of been the whole thing since he got out of jail tbh

East Atlanta Santa is way better than anything he's released since getting out. His best bars in years, and he seems to have pushed his producers, too.

good int
https://twitter.com/HQonESPN/status/817487936241307648

his verse on the new big boi song feels vintage to me... suwoo bentley and the forgies suwoo too / and i know two jews eat a case like it's fast food

& considering that he raps about mapquesting to your house, the verse might actually be like 10 years old

well his delivery is today's.

good song

Zaytoven is an inspiration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkHyL8Zxkno

I read the book, btw. It was a bit short for a guy who has released so much music and has been part of so much, but on the whole it was nice enough. Turns out that big pot belly before he went in was... constipation. Ugh.

i looked up yung pinch, brutal, post malone has a wave

yeah that was a real anticlimax to the Zaytoven video

big time

yung pinch has such a terrible rapper voice

6dogs is the next big white ironic rapper getting a push

lmao yung pinch is terrible

https://www.thefader.com/2017/10/12/gucci-mane-malcolm-gladwell-full-interview/

not really a bombshell interview but amusing enough

"Gucci Mane Biopic in the Works"

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/gucci-mane-biopic-paramount-players-1202693921/

Paramount Players and Imagine Entertainment have launched development of a biopic on musician Gucci Mane based on his “The Autobiography of Gucci Mane.”

The studio has obtained life rights to Mane, whose real name is Radric Delantic Davis, and movie rights to the book. Imagine’s Brian Grazer and Erica Huggins will produce the project. Mane and Todd Moskowitz will executive produce.

Mane is a pioneer of the hip-hop genre known as trap music. He made his studio album debut in 2005 with “Trap House,” the first of a dozen studio albums, followed by “Hard to Kill.”

The book tells of his childhood in poverty in Alabama and his move to Atlanta, where he became involved in criminal activity. He spent nearly three years in prison starting in 2004 after pleading guilty to possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. While incarcerated, he began releasing mixtapes from prison with rappers Migos and Young Thug.

also lol @: "UTA repped Mane in the deal."

I still listen “Lemonade” constantly, 13 years later or whatever it is

Cool his career seems better than ever? Cool and surprising. The new stuff doesn’t do it for me though.

Burr!

like him or not, when this dude was at the top, shit was much more fun. summers of 2009 and 2010 were enhanced by this dude.

I literally get transported back when I hear "Lemonade" or "Making Love to the Money" or anything from that era.

fuuuuuuuck.

agreed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZAi_TNMPkk

The track samples 1996 song "Rundgang um die transzendentale Säule der Singularität" by Burzum throughout.[2]

haa nice

the new mixtape is pretty good! i like the way it's structured, with collaborations from his young label signees at the beginning, collabs with trap veterans like 2 chainz and project pat in the middle, and solo tracks towards the end.

the hook from this one has been stuck in my head for about a week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_NLTOFPM5E

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lol