letz talk abt gucci mane

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get yr 'îron game up, rap

luriqua, Thursday, 9 August 2007 07:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

--nicci mane

luriqua, Thursday, 9 August 2007 07:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

supposed to be ''eron' sry

luriqua, Thursday, 9 August 2007 08:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Gucci Mane :: Trap House :: Big Cat Records/La Flare Ent.
as reviewed by Steve 'Flash' Juon
The most famous thing Radric 'Gucci Mane' Davis has done yet in his young life is be arrested for murder. Before May 19th the only knowledge the public had of Mane was the small amount of success his single "Icy" featuring Young Jeezy had found in some markets before the scheduled national release of his debut album "Trap House" on May 24th. Starved for any kind of press, good or bad, Gucci Mane's people immediately sent out a statement touting that Mane had voluntarily turned himself in to face these charges; subsequently Mane and his attorney managed to post bail and get him out of jail just as the album hit stores.

There was a time in hip-hop music when such an announcement would be viewed as a tragedy - a young man set to make his name nationally throws away his opportunity and faces an uncertain future possibly including jail time. Instead it's a sign of the cynical world that we live in that not only is this news fodder for a press release but viewed as the kind of publicity that could propel him to the top. While it's true that there is a disturbing correlation between the success of rappers and violent gun-related crimes, most were the recipient of the violence. Tupac Shakur survived several attacks on his life, and with each failure the already highly talented artist achieved a more iconic status; his ultimate demise making him a martyr in many eyes and keeping album sales high well after his death. Notorious B.I.G. was already a worldwide rap superstar before he was gunned down and had been for some time. Even 50 Cent had risen beyond local notoriety with several singles like "How to Rob" before the attempt on his life nearly blew his face off. In short, rappers are the victims of their fame, not the perpetrators of the violence in an ATTEMPT to gain fame.

Recently the trend has swung heavily in the other direction. Whether they are truly innocent and being railroaded by the system or as guilty as their convictions would indicate, MC's from Shyne to C-Murder to Pimp C to T.I. have had to do time for their crimes. The remarkable thing about all four is that being locked up has been no impediment to releasing a new album that appears in stores. While Gucci Mane's album was already in the can before he wound up in the pen, it's still telling that all parties involved used the timing of the incident to their advantage. One can only hope Mr. Davis was really not looking for more publicity via these means and that this is just a case of wrong place/wrong time or at the very worst self-defense. When the smoke clears from this incident the debut album "Trap House" still remains as the TRUE platform for Gucci Mane to achieve his success, not these unfortunate charges. Clocking in at 18 tracks including an intro, outro and several skits, this full-length release puts both Mane and Big Cat Records on the map. The latter clearly has big plans, as they even put an ad for an upcoming album by Magic and a "404 vs. 504" compilation underneath the clear tray on which Mane's CD sits.

Now as for the artist himself, the sad truth here is that there's not much to write about other than his arrest record. Mane follows in the recent tradition of debuting Southern rappers whose rhyme schemes are overly simplstic, accents are extra thick, and beats are incredibly uninteresting. Even the lead single "Icy" has a barely passable beat by Xavier Dotson, p.k.a. "Zaytoven" according to the liner notes. I'd hold off on the comparisons to Beethoven just yet if I were him - a simple series of electronic beats and beeps does not a maestro make. Neither rapper in the song has anything interesting to say, but Mane comes off half as clever as Jeezy, who at least manages a semi-clever reference to Ginuwine in his opening verse. Mane has nothing:

"She diggin my fit, she think I'm the shit
Is this a chain on my neck, or the watch in my wrist
Maybe the ice in my ear, or the brace-eh-let
But she look like the type that could take a dick
Uhhhhhhh... young Gucci Mane
Don't kiss me baby you can kiss my chain
Uhhhh - ya gotta be a dime piece
just to look at the rocks in my time piece"

The lyrical critique here is not just of the inane materialistic content, because that type of material is so prevalent in today's hip-hop anyway and there are some who do it well or at least have enough charisma to make it interesting. Mane is charismatic and not completely unpleasant vocally, but adding an extra syllable to the word "bracelet" in order to rhyme it with "take a dick" insults both your eardrum and your intelligence. Furthermore after a certain amount of time one has to question the quality of chicks these "iced out" rappers pull, when they look like tens on the outside but are so vapid on the inside they only care about how much sparkle you wear. It's not as if this song is an exception to the rule and Mane offers more profound wisdom elsewhere on his album. Rather this song is the height of what are otherwise a string of lyrical lows. Here's another example of how clever Gucci Mane is: "Don't let yo' mouth write a check that yo' ass cain't cash/I'm the lawnmower man, and yo' ass is grass." That might have been clever back in 1992 but it's heavily dated today, and the fact it's the hook of a song NAMED "Lawnmower Man" isn't helping. Here's some more of Mane's talent on this track:

"Uhhhhh, I'm from the hood I'll punch ya lights out
... I took your jewelry, now I'm iced out
(icy icy) Gucci Mane got that 'caine in
(I ain't got no bricks) I swear I never tuck my chain in
... You just a thug in trainin
... I'm a thug entertainin"

No Mane, you're not entertaining. The closest this album gets to entertaining is a parody of Dem Franchize Boyz "White Tee" entitled "Black Tee" that features Bun B, Lil Scrappy and Jody Breeze among others - and while the talent on their version is better the Franchize Boyz still win for having a better beat than the one Zaytoven provides here. I'd like to say Gucci Mane has a bright future in front of him as a rapper if he beats the charges, but songs like "Damn Shawty" contradict the statement with ridiculous lyrics like "Shawty got an ass on hurr, I'ma put my hands on hurr, I'ma spend a couple grand on hurr, I'ma pop a rubber band on hurr." Much as I knocked Mike Jones in a review a few weeks ago, one has to give Jones credit for three things: more interesting beats, better hooks to his songs, and a gimmick that's memorable no matter how ridiculous it might be. Gucci Mane has none of these things going for him. His only gimmick right now is his infamy, and even that won't last when people see how vapid his music is.

Music Vibes: 4 of 10 Lyric Vibes: 4 of 10 TOTAL Vibes: 4 of 10

luriqua, Thursday, 9 August 2007 08:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

mod delete that asap

luriqua, Thursday, 9 August 2007 08:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

how to rob, lool

getting shot must hurt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

luriqua, Thursday, 9 August 2007 08:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Zaytoven" according to the liner notes

luriqua, Thursday, 9 August 2007 08:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST

luriqua, Thursday, 9 August 2007 08:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Zaytoven" !

luriqua, Thursday, 9 August 2007 08:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACa7M4A7hso

luriqua, Thursday, 9 August 2007 08:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

trap house VS back to the traphouse

am0n, Thursday, 29 May 2008 17:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

'i know why' is a jam

am0n, Thursday, 29 May 2008 17:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

trap house VS back to the traphouse

-- am0n, Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:18 PM

am0n, Thursday, 29 May 2008 23:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

SHAWTY ASKED ME WHAT TIME IT IS
I SAID 15 MINUTES PAST THE DIAMONDS, BITCH

deej, Thursday, 29 May 2008 23:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

shit how did i miss this revive!!! back to the traphouse is my shit

J0rdan S., Friday, 30 May 2008 02:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

ah-choo im rich say gesundheit bitch

J0rdan S., Friday, 30 May 2008 02:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

game kills his verse

J0rdan S., Friday, 30 May 2008 02:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Ha-choo! I’m rich/Say gesundheit, bitch/Please excuse me, miss/Excuse my French/My necklace look like Cris/Your diamonds look like piss.

deej, Monday, 23 June 2008 16:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

you can't be me or see me unless you see me on tv

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 June 2008 16:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWXN5n_y1s8

luv this song

am0n, Monday, 23 June 2008 17:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

and bird flu

am0n, Monday, 23 June 2008 17:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

gucci dont drink beer
but he do drink dom

deej, Monday, 23 June 2008 17:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

gucci mane get cake
its my birthday party

deej, Monday, 23 June 2008 17:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

you just had to post the "drink dom" line on the one forum on the internet where that has a really disturbing connotation

some dude, Monday, 23 June 2008 17:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

i like gucci cuz he sounds like he is always having the most fun of any rapper around

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 June 2008 17:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

you just had to post the "drink dom" line on the one forum on the internet where that has a really disturbing connotation

-- some dude, Monday, June 23, 2008 12:54 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

was kinda hoping someone would run w/ that one

deej, Monday, 23 June 2008 17:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

gucci mane you stupid man i love the way you flowin
ridin in my drop but i dont know where Im goin
on 285 i keep ridin in a circle
the inside of my ride smellin like a pound of purple

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 June 2008 17:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

You mix a little Coke with a little Dom Passantino/ And a little Fennessey/ You know we fine to carry on

am0n, Monday, 23 June 2008 18:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

ok ban me

am0n, Monday, 23 June 2008 18:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

lol

some dude, Monday, 23 June 2008 18:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

ok ban me

-- am0n, Monday, June 23, 2008 1:29 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

in the spirit of a luriqua thread

J0rdan S., Monday, 23 June 2008 18:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

'freaky gurl' is so great

lex pretend, Monday, 23 June 2008 21:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

Gucci Mane is some dirty mofo tho. He actually shames me with his existance.

VeronaInTheClub, Monday, 23 June 2008 22:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

jordan s was right about the album :D

lex pretend, Monday, 14 July 2008 15:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

thx

i posted this upthread already but i'm still d-_-bing it. soulja boy's been getting some real rappers on his tracks lately (two w/ gucci-- the one w/ gucci and shawty lo is only aight) and this one is the best of the collabos. pretty sick verse from gucci
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4tRd3KSqkA&feature=PlayList&p=EAF97ADC0CFFD900&index=1

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 July 2008 15:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah i know! i heard that last week i think. immediate faves off nback to the traphouse - 'bird flu', 'i move chickens'. and this is the first i've heard from shawnna in an age, too

lex pretend, Monday, 14 July 2008 15:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

http://www.zshare.net/audio/17858112c400b8d0/

J0rdan S., Saturday, 30 August 2008 20:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

im not richie rich bitch but im rich as fuck

J0rdan S., Saturday, 30 August 2008 20:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

/!\ ALERT /!\ gucci mane said ti's balls were brittle /!\ ALERT /!\

-- luriqua, Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:42 PM (1 year ago)

am0n, Sunday, 31 August 2008 20:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

like garfield odie nigga ima dogg

johnny crunch, Monday, 1 September 2008 16:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

loool amon

J0rdan S., Monday, 1 September 2008 18:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

i'm a junkyard dog not a scooby doo
i got that white girl true i'm talking betty boop

^^leave it to gucci to come up w/ the only original white girl reference 10 months after it was a "thing"

jordan s (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 05:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm just getting through those mixtapes now

i really like this weird raspy croak that he's got when he sings his hooks ("nickelodeon", "haunted house") and originally i thought his mixtape tracks were too blunted to really register for me (whereas back to the traphouse is glossy as fuck and tons of fun to listen to) but i'm kind of digging the mood but maybe i'm just projecting

jordan s (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 05:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

nickelodeon is insane

jordan s (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 05:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

no wayne flashbacks intended by using the phrase "weird raspy croak"

jordan s (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 05:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh96ru8A8umq54y386

video of gucci bussin mac bre-z upside the head

and what, Monday, 12 January 2009 22:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh99w7x526oig4pLlm

less entertaining more educational video of zaytoven talking about working w/ gucci -- real interesting actually

xhuxk d (deej), Monday, 12 January 2009 22:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

hmm i guess that vid isnt really entertaining as much as disturbing xp

xhuxk d (deej), Monday, 12 January 2009 22:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

Also, Out The Zoo might well be my favorite rap song this year.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 15 October 2016 13:50 (one year ago) Permalink

You COULD argue that this says something about the rest of 2016 rap (and you'd be right), but it also sounds like a top shelf Gucci song, so...

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 15 October 2016 14:04 (one year ago) Permalink

this stuff all seems competent but its not really for me any more

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 16 October 2016 00:09 (one year ago) Permalink

the "out the zoo" beat is pretty sick but the rapping doesn't do anything for me

J0rdan S., Sunday, 16 October 2016 01:05 (one year ago) Permalink

his stuff all seems competent but its not really for me any more

How come?

Evan R, Sunday, 16 October 2016 02:10 (one year ago) Permalink

other people like him now

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Sunday, 16 October 2016 06:22 (one year ago) Permalink

People have always liked him cornballs in the press are just super late

I'd say it's a mix of stiffer rap style and boilerplate lyrics and just a general sensation that he's not really pushing himself

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 16 October 2016 06:36 (one year ago) Permalink

= the wrong people like him now. I get that you prefer the 07-09 run, I do too. But the boilerplate lyrics accusation has been around forever, and given that he has been out for just a few months and have dropped two albums in that time, and that he sounds a lot more at home and confident and is clearly trying (and generally succeeding at) saying something about who and where he is now, speaking about his addiction and so on, I'd say he may well be pushing himself. Maybe he'll slip back into some kind of lazy default mode shortly but at the moment he's definitely trying to redefine himself. You don't have to like the direction he's going in though.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 17 October 2016 06:44 (one year ago) Permalink

it's not what you say, it's how you say it

I agree with deej, this stuff is average as fuck, it isn't even close to his best 2011 or 2012 tracks.

ANU (sisilafami), Monday, 17 October 2016 11:37 (one year ago) Permalink

But the boilerplate lyrics accusation has been around forever

yeah by people who didn't know what they were talking about lol

J0rdan S., Monday, 17 October 2016 14:24 (one year ago) Permalink

i've quite liked some of his guest verses this year -- black beatles and vibin in this bih come to mind immediately -- but i agree with deej that his solo tracks have been pretty stiff

J0rdan S., Monday, 17 October 2016 14:25 (one year ago) Permalink

"The wrong people like him" is a reliable sign sure I like to think of them as negative indicators

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 17 October 2016 15:56 (one year ago) Permalink

I can't even argue with that, lol. I still enjoy this album though.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 17 October 2016 16:39 (one year ago) Permalink

I think his verses are as good as they've been in years; it's the hooks that seem a little tired to me. Small quibble though. I'm just enjoying hearing him enjoy rapping again.

Evan R, Monday, 17 October 2016 17:03 (one year ago) Permalink

I like his bit in "Black Beatles."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 October 2016 17:25 (one year ago) Permalink

black beatles, step it up, champions, prolly, guwop home all p.good recent stuff

||||||||, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:51 (one year ago) Permalink

His voice just sounds like a different rapper to me now.

Tim F, Monday, 17 October 2016 22:12 (one year ago) Permalink

That's mostly because he's sober, perhaps?

Anyway, falling out of love with someone is never pretty but it can't be helped I guess. Woptober is still one of my favorite albums this year and Everybody's Looking has its gems too.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 09:05 (one year ago) Permalink

i wouldn't go as far as 'favorite albums this year' but i gave woptober a good listen & its def an improvement over everybody's looking

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 18:42 (one year ago) Permalink

Projected 17-20k

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:35 (one year ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

“Last night, me and Future met up in Atlanta," Gucci Mane told Miss Info. "We ditched our entourages, we didn’t book my usual studio, or his usual studio… It’s like we knew we wanted to fly under the radar. There was like this positive competition in the room. I’d hear him go in on a verse, and I knew I had to step up.”​

Explaining his chemistry with Future, Gucci continues, “He would say the same back, and we knocked out 6 songs so crazy that I knew we couldn’t just sit on it. We talked about recording some more, adding more songs. But I didn’t want to over think it or over plan things. Even Future didn’t think we were dropping this tonight. This is the freshest it can get. These joints ain’t even 24 hours old. That’s like bringing you in the studio with us.”

lol same ol gwop

lag∞n, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 15:46 (one year ago) Permalink

This is bad

Spottie, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:10 (one year ago) Permalink

yea not into it

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 21:16 (one year ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/06/504593590/gucci-mane-tiny-desk-concert

Gucci doing 3 songs live accompanied by Zaytoven on piano by the NPR tiny desk

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 01:44 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't understand why it sounds like this. Is he rapping over guide vocals? Is he rapping at all?

Evan R, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 02:08 (one year ago) Permalink

? it sounds normal to me

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 20:33 (one year ago) Permalink

I guess I must've been thrown by the delay on his vocals or something. The whole thing just sounded overdubbed and weird to me.

Evan R, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 20:36 (one year ago) Permalink

watched the "first day out" performance and found it a little lifeless but it's a cool idea i guess

k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 December 2016 21:05 (one year ago) Permalink

he was def rapping over his own vocals some, standard practice these days, the piano/minimal beats were p cool imo

lag∞n, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 21:21 (one year ago) Permalink

You can def hear him over the backing track, cuz he did his own radio edits lol

i thought the performance was great, i mean it's a tiny desk perf what more are you looking for

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 21:44 (one year ago) Permalink

more banjo and glockenspiel tbh

marcos, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 21:45 (one year ago) Permalink

this has been true for a long time, but online culture often celebrates ~the idea~ of a rapper more than the actual rapper, and this seems like a peak example of that

Evan R, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 22:24 (one year ago) Permalink

that's kind of been the whole thing since he got out of jail tbh

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 12:43 (one year ago) Permalink

East Atlanta Santa is way better than anything he's released since getting out. His best bars in years, and he seems to have pushed his producers, too.

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 December 2016 00:03 (one year ago) Permalink

good int
https://twitter.com/HQonESPN/status/817487936241307648

Spottie, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 00:06 (one year ago) Permalink

four months pass...

his verse on the new big boi song feels vintage to me... suwoo bentley and the forgies suwoo too / and i know two jews eat a case like it's fast food

& considering that he raps about mapquesting to your house, the verse might actually be like 10 years old

J0rdan S., Friday, 9 June 2017 15:13 (one year ago) Permalink

well his delivery is today's.

ANU (sisilafami), Friday, 9 June 2017 16:32 (one year ago) Permalink

good song

fo, fo, fo, fo (Spottie), Friday, 9 June 2017 17:29 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Zaytoven is an inspiration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkHyL8Zxkno

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 2 October 2017 14:27 (ten months ago) Permalink

I read the book, btw. It was a bit short for a guy who has released so much music and has been part of so much, but on the whole it was nice enough. Turns out that big pot belly before he went in was... constipation. Ugh.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 2 October 2017 14:59 (ten months ago) Permalink

i looked up yung pinch, brutal, post malone has a wave

lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:00 (ten months ago) Permalink

yeah that was a real anticlimax to the Zaytoven video

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

big time

Spottie, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 20:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

yung pinch has such a terrible rapper voice

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 23:18 (ten months ago) Permalink

6dogs is the next big white ironic rapper getting a push

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 23:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

lmao yung pinch is terrible

Erotic Wolf (crüt), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 23:29 (ten months ago) Permalink

not really a bombshell interview but amusing enough

sleepingbag, Friday, 13 October 2017 07:25 (ten months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

"Gucci Mane Biopic in the Works"

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/gucci-mane-biopic-paramount-players-1202693921/

Paramount Players and Imagine Entertainment have launched development of a biopic on musician Gucci Mane based on his “The Autobiography of Gucci Mane.”

The studio has obtained life rights to Mane, whose real name is Radric Delantic Davis, and movie rights to the book. Imagine’s Brian Grazer and Erica Huggins will produce the project. Mane and Todd Moskowitz will executive produce.

Mane is a pioneer of the hip-hop genre known as trap music. He made his studio album debut in 2005 with “Trap House,” the first of a dozen studio albums, followed by “Hard to Kill.”

The book tells of his childhood in poverty in Alabama and his move to Atlanta, where he became involved in criminal activity. He spent nearly three years in prison starting in 2004 after pleading guilty to possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. While incarcerated, he began releasing mixtapes from prison with rappers Migos and Young Thug.

also lol @: "UTA repped Mane in the deal."

sleepingbag, Friday, 9 February 2018 20:29 (six months ago) Permalink


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