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There used to be this band from Australia called The Church. They were pretty good up to 1988 (Starfish) but then proceeded to spend the next decade (at least) making really boring albums. A good friend of mine has recently convinced me to pick up their latest, After Everything Now This, claiming it to be a return to from and the best thing they have done since the '80s. Well I got it used, I have listened to it once, it sounds okay, but maybe a bit plodding. Truly I want to like it though. Does anyone have any thoughts on it, or on the Church in general. I think I will also pick up their fairly recent covers album (Box of Birds) since I love covers albums, even when they pretty much suck (i.e. that Simple Minds CD)...

g, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I mean, in the 80s, they would always throw some great pop hooks in with the general psychedelic wash on their albums, giving the albums better structure. I think I may hear some of that on the new one...

g, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

We had a thread on this a couple months ago... I saw the Church in maybe '86 on the Heyday tour. This coincided nicely with my long hair and paisley shirt phase. Yes you heard me right.

Sean, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

hey was that thread about their latest albuM? can you point me to it? od do I have to search myself...

g, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sean = hippie shocker!

I just caught them there Church on the tour for the new album three weeks ago -- great show, third time I've seen 'em. The new songs were especially entrancing live, and they played some stuff I thought they'd never do again ("A New Season," "Metropolis," even "Under the Milky Way"). So classic, and the covers album is great.

And yeah, them other threads are around. Love the archives, the archives luv you. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I just saw them last night. A little disappointing, but that's probably just because I saw Spiritualized on Sunday, and was still experiencing post-Spiritualized excitment during thier performance. This was the first time I saw them, and I had no trouble believing the story of how Steve Kilby stopped the band in the middle of Reptile a while back and said he hated that song and never wanted to play it again (they had a real "fuck-it" attitude). Marty Wilson-Piper's guitar was having technical difficulty and he was getting mad, and he stopped playing in the middle of Numbers (which is one of the really great songs on thier new album) and also when some fans were cheering in the middle of Musicians Among the Spirit (long quiet song) he yelled "shut up." But all in all it was a good show form a really good band.

A Nairn, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I love most of what the Church did up to and including Starfish, although parts of the later albums aren't bad. Gold Afternoon Fix in particular had some good moments. But Steve Kilbey is a fucking terrible lyricist sometimes.

Every single solo record done by any of the Church members should be avoided like the plague.

electric sound of jim, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

marty wilson piper always makes me think of richie sambora. i saw them with the blue aeroplanes in windsor long ago, the blue aeroplanes wiped the floor with them. i used to really like starfish though. that peter koppes song on there is wonderful.

keith, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Every single solo record done by any of the Church members should be avoided like the plague.

Your feelings are unclear.

marty wilson piper always makes me think of richie sambora.

A comparison worthy of Dave Q!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anyone planning to see them in Melbourne on May 5? 'Cause I'm thinking about it.

Tim, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

There still is a band from Australia called The Church. I actually like the new one okay...not exactly their best. I think I'm with Jim in that they were at their peak up until Starfish, though I am pretty sure I liked Gold Afternoon Fix a whole lot more than he did (it's about 50% excellent and 50% adequate, never awful). I once tried the paisley and long hair thing around the time of Heyday as well...maybe it's a Sean thing...but I looked so awful that I ditched the paisley. (The long hair came later, though I still dabble.)

For better or worse, Heyday was the album that made me pick up the guitar for the first time. I was in Edmonton at my grandparents' place, and I spotted my grandfather's old acoustic guitar, which he played in his barbershop quartet. I sat down there in the basement, plunking away at it until I'd figured out how to play the opening lines to "Tristesse". To this day it's remained one of my favourite albums of all time...you can verify that here if you insist (partly out of date, but that one's still in there).

Sean Carruthers, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey wait, how come I don't have a list? Man! ;-)

Definitely go, Tim, I think you'll like it a lot, especially knowing how you felt about Hologram.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, nearly every last AMG album review by the Church is from, uh, me...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

five years pass...

Okay I'm tired of being virtually the only one who wants to talk about the two El Momento discs, El Momento Descuidado & El Momento Siguiente. I honestly do not think they have been this good since Hologram of Baal,
but I admit the discs are spotty so I have made a comp. of my fave tracks:

1. Wide Open Road (I love how he goes "NOW! You can go anywhere..." it's the perfect romantic heartbreak song, that thing of being in the now and facing a future even though you're stuck painfully in the past)

2. 0408 (I like this one almost as much as "Invisible"...the piano is killer and the acoustic guitar riff is nearly as infectious)

3. That new version of Reptile (oh my god that little scat vocal thing he does at the end is priceless! And the fact that he starts it off with a HISSSS like a snake is fucking classic on top of it)

4. November

5. Chromium (some nice falsetto work from Marty)

6. Song In The Afternoon

7. A New Season (better than the original, maybe not, but damn close)

8. Appalatia

9. Bordello (god, this one is weird, have they ever sounded *that* rock and roll before?? That is some bad ass shit, you half expect Steve to start wearing spandex and rock star sunglasses)

10. Tristesse (every bit as enjoyable as the original, I think)

11. Invisible (my favourite of the lot and a riff that as a tendency to go around and around in my brain incessantly)

12. NSEW (North, South, East, West)(nah, not as good as the original, but it's interesting to hear the lyics clearly)

13. Between Mirages

14. Comeuppance

One complaint with these two discs: the version of Grind pales in comparison to the "Acoustic Version" found on the Terra Nova Cain U.S. promo 12". Available on the internet like everything else.

Bimble, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 02:36 (sixteen years ago) link

six years pass...

I'm a little distracted by searching for a thread for a band i've only just come to fully appreciate and finding the last post to be from Bimble. RIP, you are missed. Ugh. Fuck it, I can't even go through with my question now.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 29 July 2013 20:20 (ten years ago) link

five years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D89Y-MMWa5s

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 00:58 (five years ago) link

Looking forward to seeing them in a week.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 01:11 (five years ago) link

I had no idea when I began rebuying vinyl records a couple years back that The Church would be on the most expensive end of things. Especially Of Skins..., Blurred Crusade, and Seance. Frustrating!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 02:05 (five years ago) link

some years ago i picked up 3 or 4 of the 2CD remaster/rarities releases for a few bucks each - they're also fetching decent money these days

umsworth (emsworth), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 04:18 (five years ago) link

i don't always feel like listening to the church but the other day i heard priest=aura in unexpected circumstances (driving back from the beach, randomly served up by my car's antiquated CD stacker) and it hit the spot bigtime

umsworth (emsworth), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 04:19 (five years ago) link

wow really? i have found a handful of the older Church records in the $2-$3 range.

i really want a copy of Gold Afternoon Fix but haven't record shopped in ages, maybe there is one waiting for me nearby and i don't even know it

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 14:05 (five years ago) link

Bookmark this page: https://www.oldies.com/search/results.cfm?q=gold+afternoon+fix&results=

They had new old stock sealed copies of Gold Afternoon Fix as recently as early August when I bought some other stuff there. They're out now, but they may put some more up for sale?

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link

I feel like Gold Afternoon Fix is one of the most findable Church LPs, due to following up Starfish but getting a cool reception. Also, they all look the most like magicians they ever have on the cover!

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 19:08 (five years ago) link

i have never seen one but i try not to buy used records online -- just if i run across them in a store (unless it's something i feel crazy strong about)
i had a GAF tshirt and it smelled like burnt rubber

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link

I had a Xymox t-shirt with that weird rubber smell, Skinny Puppy too... had that real rough silkscreening, reminds me of high school. One of my favorite lyrics is on Gold Afternoon Fix, from Monday Morning, where he sings "dice rolled, double six double six double six" but it's really mostly the delivery

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link

oh man i love that part
that song too

i like the "at least it's artistic, i guess...i guess" in "You're Still Beautiful"
love the groove of this song too
takes me back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxX-6ZRrjsE

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link

but "Metropolis" is one of my fave all time Church songs and nobody can take that away

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link

They're both examples of their epic, wide-screen style that is rarely approached.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 20:44 (five years ago) link

I love GAF, I think it's really underrated. It's intensely melancholic, strangely so when you consider that it was recorded in the wake of a longed-for commercial breakthrough. It's as if Kilbey instinctively knew that it wouldn't last.

You had an idea that you won't have again
She's forgotten your name and hopes you'll do the same
Start of the ash and the end of the flames
Burning you, turning you around.

Vast Halo, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link

hahaha, I forgot how much I loved the vocal delivery on Transient's chorus. It's like they were sitting around and decided to record another Heyday song but couldn't play it straight

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 22:03 (five years ago) link

also the delightful Australian "wondering if the leaves will fall in May/only know if I decide to stay"

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link

I had a Xymox t-shirt with that weird rubber smell


Was it that Twist of Shadows one with lots of pink ink?? Mine stank too. Sold it on eBay a few years ago. I still have the one from the Medusa tour though; smells good!

early rejecter, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link

It was the Phoenix one with lots of yellow and blue ink! That whole era of late 80s/early 90s tour t-shirts was rife with that weird smell. Had a Bowie one from the Sound + Vision tour that was the same.

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 25 September 2018 22:29 (five years ago) link

Heads up: the recent Priest = Aura LP reissue is apparently another piece of shovelware taken from a CD master. Only the German LP from 1992 is an actual vinyl master. This knowledge has become important...

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 23:59 (five years ago) link

I think I posted this on the other Church thread, but the recent KEXP sets on YouTube are worth watching if you haven't kept up with them. This song is great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJUiOLfnqD0

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

was shopping for clothes at a thrift store today, and gave the CD shelf a quick once-over... found a copy of Remote Luxury! and then Russian Autumn Heart came up on random play in the car on the way home.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 21 October 2018 04:28 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

similar story! I have been waiting for a copy of Gold Afternoon Fix to cross my path for years since I had the shitty Columbia House cassette back when it came out and never replaced it. On Saturday I was at a friend's single release show/in store and I didn't really look around the store at all bc I was socializing. There was also a VU cover act playing and I was standing by the bargain CD bin and was browsing when I remembered to look in the Cs, as I always do. There it was!

So I finally listened to the whole album after all this time and guess what -- there are some boring songs but overall, I still really like it! Surprise favorites because I had forgotten about them completely and always liked them back when: Fading Away and Grind (the guitar parts on this are so good!!)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 16 December 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link

These lyrics in particular melted my brain because I remembered liking them way back in another lifetime when I was a young person. I love this band!

Who's there to say that we're living this moment
Feels like I'm in a play
The sets and the props of this, your apartment
Seem to be fading away, fading away

So I wander through these rooms
I feel the orbit of the moons
And I dream what I become
And all's forgotten by the sun

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 16 December 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link

Those are righteous

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 16 December 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Bumping Seance and the Remote Luxury EP this evening, first time in years, I'd forgotten how mesmerising and brilliant this band is.

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 18 October 2021 10:05 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga5KYeJA1u4

Steve Kilbey doing his run of the first four albums, solo on 12-string with anecdotes, the YT channel has the other three,

Maresn3st, Saturday, 15 January 2022 15:35 (two years ago) link


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