So nobody cares that T.I. was arrested?

My prediction: this will impede the career of T.I.

I'm guessing "no one thinks there's enough here to talk about since he's rather unambiguously boned".

I was just curious how many years he's facing

there was minimal chatter on rolling snap.

a fuckload of years.

yeah the fucked thing is that all they have to prove is that he had guns and that he's a felon, which are both kind of undeniable at this pt. all he can do is get lawyers to beg for leniency

also why he felt the need to purchase three machine guns with silencers, was he gonna take out Li'l Wayne or something

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im guessing he was uncomfortable coming from where he was from and sitting on a giant pile of money. and as it turns out his bodyguards may not have been exactly trustworthy

its fucked

Masked robbers invaded NBA star Antoine Walker's home in the 400 block of East Huron Street and stole his Mercedes Benz, along with cash and jewelry, about 6:30 p.m. on July 9. Police recovered the Mercedes near Potomac and Karlov avenues the following morning.

A few week after Walker was robbed, former Chicago Bulls player Eddy Curry, members of his family and an employee were restrained with duct tape and held at gunpoint by three masked offenders during a robbery of his Burr Ridge home on July 28.

they got those dudes i think

caught those dudes rather

the cops storming his house like it was some punk'd skit was some shit.

they're pleading not guilty

but the silencer thing would seem to indicate the guns were not intended for protection (ie, if yr defending yrself, whether or not yr making noise is not an issue - silencers are used to specifically kill people in secret)

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some 'chatter' here as well

there is more melancholy in an average TI song than in any singer/songwritery bs working today

just to be clear im not saying T.I. is RIGHT to be loading up on armaments per se

but it makes sense to look at why someone w/ so much to lose would do this

guy isnt too clear on the whole "boss" thing, sad.

keep in mind that prodigy pled down a few weeks ago from possibly 15 years to 3 1/2 years for getting caught w/ just a handgun. granted it was his third gun arrest and ny has notoriously shitty gun laws, but t.i.'s in some serious shit to say the least.

My dad likes to brag that his townhome like a mile away from Eddy Curry's mansion.

jaymc's dad: king pimp

he should play for the cba

that could apply to either one i suppose

but it makes sense to look at why someone w/ so much to lose would do this

One of then Blue Collar Comedy dudes, name of Ron White says: "You can't fix stupid."

^^ban

guy isnt too clear on the whole "boss" thing, sad.

eh? I don't get it

"delegate"

i wonder if he's guilty.

the whole 'if its self defense why does he need silencers' thing is an argument against GA gun law, not an argument about his motives

roger adultery to thread

self-defense, doin dirt; i could see either. sometimes theyre the same.

<i>but it makes sense to look at why someone w/ so much to lose would do this

One of then Blue Collar Comedy dudes, name of Ron White says: "You can't fix stupid."

-- ellaguru, Monday, October 22, 2007 9:51 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link</i>

OMG PERMANENT BAN FOR EVER QUOTING BLUE COLLAR COMEDY TOUR FUK U BUDDY

srsly there's a limit

The ironic thing about the silencers is that they don't really do what people think (ie Shakey's "kill folks quietly" up there). A 'silenced' pistol will still damage your hearing without ear protection - generally in the 100-120db range.

The machine guns thing could fuck him worse than the felon-with-a-gun thing. The feds take them very seriously - like 10 years per seriously.

buh? GA gun law doesn't recognize that silencers are pretty much solely for killing people? I don't understand... also aren't these federal charges, what do state gun laws have to do with it

we can ban stupid though can't we?

(um x-post. and yes I'm familiar with guns and how silencers function)

machine gun in this case refers to what exactly?

(note I didn't say "quietly" I said "kill people in secret". if silencers have some other use, please elaborate)

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motive doesnt enter into his conviction at all
possession is the issue and its not hard to prove

buh? GA gun law doesn't recognize that silencers are pretty much solely for killing people? I don't understand... also aren't these federal charges, what do state gun laws have to do with it

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, October 22, 2007 5:03 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

silencers are not illegal in GA

on the tv silenced guns just make a little pooft noise and thats that guys

the issue is that he's a convicted felon

silencers are not illegal in GA

ah I see, did not know this - thx deej

no i think i heard he was dealing w/some srsly illegal for anyone guns too

GA gun law doesn't recognize that silencers are pretty much solely for killing people?

Silencers and machine guns are a federal and a state issue. Both (along with the proverbial 'sawed-off shotgun') are governed by the National Firearms Act and a host of other things. To purchase any of them legally, you need to a) get approval from the chief of po-lice or sheriff or b) form a corporation/trust, pay the ATF $200 for a tax stamp, get the ATF to sign off on your paperwork, then buy your AK.

Some states completely ban select-fire guns and silencers, period, most do not. As long as you meet the federal guidelines, they don't really care.

sorry I've shot a lot of guns but I am not an NRA member, so arcane gun laws are kinda um arcane to me

so does anyone know what kind of guns they were

okay, Shakey, 'splain: if silencers don't allow you to 'kill people quietly' - then how do they allow you to 'kill people in secret'?

As to their use - there really isn't a great demand for them. My understanding is that some police and military use them precisely because it does make it easier to communicate when your ears aren't ringing as much. That whole James Bond-two-to-the-head thing is a myth.

http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/metro/atlanta/guns1016/#homepage_tab_newstab

okay, Shakey, 'splain: if silencers don't allow you to 'kill people quietly' - then how do they allow you to 'kill people in secret'?

Sometimes when people say "silencer" they mean "Groucho Marx glasses".

dood deej I know that LEGALLY it doesn't matter, my interest in his motive is just me not understanding why he did something so fucking stupid

"not enough here to talk about since he's rather unambiguously boned" = me repeating myself for 100 posts

when i was like 12 my step sister started dating the drummer from blues traveler. it was way before they got any fame. i met them all and hung out w/the drummer a bunch. he was nice. later they got married. even tho i havent seen her in 10+ years i still feel this funny connection to the band.

I don't know enough about T.I. to say this authoritatively so I'm just offering an idea based on the weird & exotic selection of gear he had: If you didn't used to have money and then suddenly you notice that you have enough to buy shit on impulse, then whatever you were into but couldn't afford, I guarantee you're gonna start buying loads of that. If you used to gaze longingly at obscure records you couldn't afford, you will soon be buying them & filing them without even listening to them, just because you can. My guess is that the man always wanted to have a bunch of cool-ass guns. 'Cause I guarantee you, a well-trained security guard can protect T.I. a fuck of a lot better than he can protect himself, so "self-protection" is hardly even the issue, or, if it is, it's one that hasn't been thought through very well.

xpost and the law (drug conviction? oh no guns) is bullshit, it should be "gun conviction? ok no guns")

j0hn think he got picked up a few times for violating probation by having guns.

T.I. was on probation stemming from a 1998 conviction for violating a state controlled substances act and for giving false information. After being released on probation, he earned a litany of probation violations in several counties around Georgia for offenses ranging from possession of a firearm to possession of marijuana.[22]

when i was like 12 my step sister started dating the drummer from blues traveler. it was way before they got any fame. i met them all and hung out w/the drummer a bunch. he was nice. later they got married. even tho i havent seen her in 10+ years i still feel this funny connection to the band.

jøsh u from NJ?

no my step-sister was going to school in nyc - im from boston

omg

http://bluestraveler.com/DBimages/gallery_12/bt-bren-13.jpg

how do i shot blues web

bt all went 2 my high school

2 degrees of separation lol

the sad thing is even if he'd gotten away with buying those guns I'm betting all he'd end up doing is wave them around in front of a camera for some lame 'street documentary' DVD.

why he did something so fucking stupid

maybe because...he's fucking stupid?

weak

shut up Dandy Don Weiner

Lord knows I like to battle with Don but picking a fight on this issue seems to be wholly disingenuous. This was a really stupid thing to do.

I've been trying to get down to the heart of the matter, but my will gets weak and my thoughts seem to scatter-- but I think it's about forgiveness.

i dont think anyones questioning that it was a bad idea dan

http://www.complex.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/ti2.jpg

who?

Seth Rogan's sidekick

Lord knows I like to battle with Don but picking a fight on this issue seems to be wholly disingenuous. This was a really stupid thing to do.

Dan, you haven't locked horns with me in ages. I kind of miss it, even when I'm trying to behave.

T.I. was a felon for guns and drugs already, and then he goes out and buys more guns in an obviously illegal manner. When he is arrested, he has a loaded gun in the car. T.I. is not an unknown, petty street criminal. He's a celebrity. If he's not stupid for this kind of behavior, then he's unbelievably arrogant.

And I like the guy. Or, his music anyway.

http://www.vibe.com/news/news_headlines/2007/10/past_ti_interviews/

ON GOING TO JAIL, late OCTOBER 2004, over the phone

VIBE: Getting shot, going to jail, it helps your image in rap.
T.I.: If I had a choice between being local act with a clean record and never having to go to jail, and being nationwide with the troubles of the legal system and getting shot, I would be that local act and find me another way to make my money man. Ain't nothing worth your freedom. Ain't nothing worth your health and strength.

except some really dope machine guns

thats the shakey mo we know & love

haha couldn't resist, huh

sorry

This just makes me sad, guys.

Have we all watched the Jay Smooth discussion?

yes it is sad. who is Jay Smooth and why should I care (I don't have sound at work, can't watch the clip)

He's just a dude that tends to break things down well.

Also apparently "creator of hiphopmusic.com and founder of New York's longest running hip-hop radio show, WBAI's Underground Railroad."

...

"apparently"

""It's almost as though the success these guys have, they still have a bind or dedication to the streets that they cannot get rid of," said Darrin Toliver, <b>manager of rapper <i>Hedonis."</b></i>

AP story leads to gayest rap name ever?

http://cache.idolator.com/assets/resources/2007/10/ticover_.jpg

hilars

i hearsd they scratched the how to turn your favorite silence into a christmas tree ornament feature tho.

i'm not even going to bother fixing the typos on my zing :(

"lock down a winter wifey"

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/ARP/ARP113/Beartrap.jpg

so he ended up only getting a year and probation? weird.

why is that weird

cuz there was a lot of handwringing that he was gonna go to jail for a lot longer

well chalk it up to good lawyering, well done t.i.

is there a thread on this already and I'm just not seein it? Is his career over or what?

lol @ "career over"

yeah good on the judge too -- one year is adequate punishment for the crime of buying firearms illegally and not doing anything w/ them and the probation is way more valuable to his community than to have this pretty good role model rotting away for years anyway

yeah we all know how legal trouble can do so much damage to a rapper's career

fucked Slick Rick pretty good for awhile there. Spoonie G too. J-Dee from the Lench Mob. Lots of others. just, y'know, fyi.

I would say legal trouble fucked over DMX but it's probably more accurate to say being a crazy crackhead fucked over DMX.

wau I was kind of unaware of the evil lolz tied up in DMX's life:

In 2003, DMX claimed he would stop rapping to pursue preaching. Many criticized his beliefs since much of his albums use vulgarity, violence and racial slurs. According to many sources such as MTV, he semi-retired to study the Bible more, in an effort to give messages behind the pulpit, but has since decided to return to rap after being encouraged by Mase to wait for God's calling to do so. [2]