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For those of you who have quite a few CDs, but now nearly always download:

Will you bother trying now to sell off your existing CDs?
Will you leave them as a record of 80s/90s to early 00s buying?
Will you continuing buying CDs selectively alongside downloading, for reasons of completing certain artists or genres?

paulhw, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 17:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

1. Oh, sure. I keep trying to reduce using the rule of 'if I get another CD I sell at least one back if not more.' It helps that I always get some credit at Amoeba, sometimes a surprising amount.

2. I guess? A lot of stuff that would serve as a very honest record is long since purged.

3. Yup, but via taking advantage of their nearly-flat value. Amoeba again is very good for this -- their clearance section is always stuffed with good finds amid the crud, I can pick up an armload for a song (almost literally in some cases).

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 17:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

1) Nope or at least not more than I ever did.

2) Uh not exactly.

3) I don't download very much and I still buy CDs and the occassional piece of vinyl.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 17:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

am getting it down to about 150 left which i guess i'll keep on shelves for a while before just donating them. they never get played once ripped.

blueski, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 17:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

I picture Ned strolling into Amoeba, reciting a few bars of "Englande" and the guys behind the counter just give him a shopping cart and say "go for it."

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

Selling them all seems like a daunting and infuriating task, so I'll probably keep them, but only out of laziness.

John Justen, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah, i've got a few boxes of old stuff in the closet that i can't bear to sell for pennies, yet i'm sick of taking them somewhere to have them cherry pick a couple good ones and refuse the rest.

Jordan, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm keeping mine just in case a neutron bomb comes along and fries everyone's hard drives. (but, uh, not the cd players)

also, it's good to have cds around to loan to friends. it's easier than zipping up and uploading an entire album, and while sharing entire hard drives is in theory the best thing to do, it doesn't happen that often

i've never sold cds, so i won't be starting now.

Billy Pilgrim, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

i still buy cds.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

(a) Too much trouble.
(b) I suppose, but they serve more of a function than that.
(c) Yes.

While downloading is invariably simpler, quicker, cheaper, etc., I'm still a sucker for the tactile artifact. I like liner notes, lyrics, cover art, all that. I'll download stuff I'm curious about, but if I really like it, I'll still buy the disc.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'd love to get rid of everything, but i'm just not good enough at backing shit up to trust it.

Jordan, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't really part with them unless i had one of those fancy things that lets you use your mp3s on a good stereo, but it's like i just picked u a real nice old NAD cd player for only $30 off craigslist so why bother.

plus yeah like ned said it's gonna be sweet in the next few years, lots of crewsh older stuff for dirt cheap.

although...it is weird seems like some CDs are really picking up in value on ebay, out of print stuff...

M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah I don't see anything that indicates that rare CDs are any less valuable then they ever were.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

I am keeping my cds because I want backups in case I have hard drive failure. Even with two hard drive copies of my music, I prefer to have the backup. Also, I may want to rip at a higher bitrate later once hd prices come down.

Euler, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm going to keep my CD's in case I ever need to build a fortress of solitude out of them, Jor-El stylee

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

a) no, except for ones i get sick of.
b) no
c) i download tracks and sometimes albums, but if i really like what i'm hearing i'll buy it in CD or vinyl form. artwork, liner notes, etc.

i'll never say never though, because maybe someday in the distant future i'll sell everything and have it all digitized.

omar little, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm keeping my CDs.

I'm too lazy to sell and also I have a suspicion that some kind of new digital format will emerge (MP5?) that will make MP3s sound tinny and useless, and that I'll want to re-rip my CDs.

Bob Six, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

I still buy cds and vinyl. I will keep them all unless I needed the money.
I barely download now, but like always, I still try to buy what I downloaded as long as I liked it.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

im continuing! cd's are beautiful

Surmounter, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

1. No, never.
2. I will keep them as the art objects/media that they are.
3. Until I can buy whole albums from iTunes or Amazon as .wav files, I will continue buying essential CDs.

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

A lot of good reasons to hang onto CDs in this thread. I still enjoy cases and liner notes and having a good thing around to throw my disposable income at. In a lot of ways, I also find them easier to store and maintain than digital music, where you need at least two forms of backup and need to keep an organized file/folder structure together if you're going to find stuff easily. Finally, I still can hear the difference between reasonably good-quality CDs and mp3s, and with formats, storage methods, etc. changing frequently keeping CDs around seems like less of a long-term headache.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'll still buy a lot, taking advantage of the lower cost and because I like having the little cardboard boxes from Caiman in the post to look forward to after returning from work.

I keep the price stickers on my CDs, and it amazes me just how much I was paying for music in the 90s. £15 - £16 for some CDs was not unusual.

Bob Six, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

ridic

Surmounter, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

its like 12 bux tops for me now. unless its brand new and too good

Surmounter, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'll continue keeping 100s of cds in a sock drawer which I occasionally pull out for a car ride. I wont sell them. But I oughta clean them all. I hate when a cd skips and I hate how I lost some of my cds even though I dont listen to any of my cds much. But I did lose Roxy Music - The Early Years and Tangerine Dream - Rubycon. I broke Thrakattak. And I can't remember what else at the moment. Kinda sucks. Kinda not.

CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

Those of you who sell off your CDs, someday your hard drive is gonna fail. If you're lucky, you'll have it backed up to another drive. But then that one could fail as you're trying to dump it to your new hard drive. Then I will point and laugh.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

i hate that too, captain -- i'm actually making a list of CD's i have that are too scratched up/missing. i replace a few ever year

it's like i just realized how to properly take care of a cd.

Surmounter, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

Fastnbulbous accurate enough, which is why the CDs I sell back are the ones I never listen to, or have only heard once and thought, "Nice" and never went back to at all. Ergo, why keep 'em around?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

I moved into a new place two months ago and never bothered taking my CDs out of their boxes. I have a few lying around that I've bought recently, but there's no real reason for me to have them out, since the majority are on my iTunes/iPod, anyway.

Back when I started to download albums, I told myself that if I really liked something I downloaded I'd buy it on CD. But then it just seemed silly to go to the trouble of buying it, only to put it on a shelf and forget about it as soon as it was out of its shrink wrap.

Now the albums I buy are the ones I simply can't find online. I don't use p2p, but I can find most major new indie releases on a couple of choice websites or through friends. So what I buy ends up being not necessarily indicative of what I'm really excited about. A lot of times this amounts to used CDs I stumble across and take a chance on.

jaymc, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

Those of you who sell off your CDs, someday your hard drive is gonna fail.
This is exactly right — CDs have become nothing more than backup.

Jazzbo, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 19:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

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ian, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 19:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

1) nah, I'm the kind of person who saves everything
2) ???
3) I never exclusively bought CDs, it was always a mix of vinyl, cassette (back in the day), or mp3 formats. I see no reason why this will change for me in the near future.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 19:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

1) too lazy really - and they're not worth that much anyway
2) never completely stopped buying vinyl, so it's not even an accurate record
3) I''ve bought maybe 6 cds this year and maybe 300 LPs (and some cassettes, second hand for the car)

sonofstan, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 19:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

Also, I may want to rip at a higher bitrate later once hd prices come down.

yeah i thought about that. A couple weeks ago I embarked on digitizing my collection, starting with albums I didn't like that much; I ripped ~ 30 cds @ 320 which is fine for those but my main collection I'm probably gonna want to do in flac or whatever for posterity but i haven't done the math on what i'll need for space. I got 2 500G drives on black friday and I was gonna send one back but maybe I won't. than again i've been latched to rhapsody pretty hard lately and soon even the mp3s might be ancillary to how i'm listening to music. so much up in the air.

tremendoid, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 20:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

soon as I'm satisfied with backing up, and keeping the habit, I'm selling all my CDs. I need the space and I need the money.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 20:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

i've sold all of my cds. still buy vinyl, which i also sell sometimes. while it's impractical, it retains its value better (and escalates in value far more often) and is more 'fun'. sue me

resolved, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 20:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

I keep the price stickers on my CDs, and it amazes me just how much I was paying for music in the 90s. £15 - £16 for some CDs was not unusual.

We still quite frequently pay $25-$35 AUD for some CD albums in this country. And they wonder why ppl use torrents.

Trayce, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

resolved, did you just rip your CDs into FLAC format and keep them on your hard drive or something?

three handclaps, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

i ripped the ones that deserved it to FLAC + mp3 (for ipod), most of them just to variable rate mp3. and then a lot i just sold without bothering.

resolved, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

Will you bother trying now to sell off your existing CDs?

maybe. next year I might be compelled to "monetize" my vinyl collection.

Will you leave them as a record of 80s/90s to early 00s buying?

hate to say it but after sitting there unplayed for awhile they just take up space.

Will you continuing buying CDs selectively alongside downloading, for reasons of completing certain artists or genres?

Barely. I stream music on my computer, listen to old CDs less & less often. CDs/itunes I buy as gifts.

m coleman, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

First off, CDs are still the primary way i listen to music, and I don't download very often.

1.) I'll hang onto my CDs for a long, long time, until they rot away (none of them have). I stopped selling back CDs a few years ago, because I tend to regret it later on. I used to regularly purge my collection of stuff if I hadn't played it in awhile, but there are too many CDs that I'm kicking myself now for selling then.

Plus, it always killed me when I tried to sell stuff that I knew was of really high musical quality or that someone would love to have, and the clerk would offer a pathetic couple of bucks (usually less!) for it. Most used stores never offer very much for CDs, and now when I think about it, the best offer I've ever received (about $3 for a CD, not common at all) is just not worth it to me. I'd rather hang on to the album, sorry, then take your 50 cents.

2. I'll keep my CDs as much more than just a record of this particular time, as they have fucking music on them!!

3. I'll probably buy CDs for quite a while. As others have mentioned, there are so many good finds on used CDs right now, it's great. So much stuff that I would never expect to find in used shops. It's only going to get better over the next few years, too.

Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

Newbury Comics usually gives about $3 per CD.

three handclaps, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

1) No - mainly because CDs are not worth much now, particularly when trying to trade them in at a record store.

2) Most of the CDs I listen to regularly have been ripped now, but I'll keep them as a backup and also because of the possibilty of ripping in higher quality formats/higher bitrates later.

3) I still buy CDs sometimes but nowhere near as often as I used to - I've gone from half a dozen a week in 2001 to a couple a month now. But if I see a box set at a cheap price I'll probably buy it.

snoball, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

Those of you who sell off your CDs, someday your hard drive is gonna fail. If you're lucky, you'll have it backed up to another drive. But then that one could fail as you're trying to dump it to your new hard drive. Then I will point and laugh.

I've never had a hard drive die on me ever before. Meanwhile in that time a lot of my records and CDs got damaged in a flood. Life's funneee.

blueski, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

I wonder how homeowner's insurance would cover a hard drive filled with burned FLACs. Are you just screwed or could you reasonably claim the full value of replacing them on iTunes or whatever?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

i sold them on amazon btw, the run of the mill ones at least. you get a lot more money that way if you're prepared to go to spend an hour going packing/going to the post office every few days.

resolved, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

x-post
but when your hd dies it's all gone. and the probability is much higher than all your cds being destroyed at once...

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

word. i'm still reeling from getting over £30 for a tatty Sasha & Digweed CD. xp

what is with you hd-failure doomsayers? you have to fuck a hd up pretty bad before the data on it is completely irretrievable.

blueski, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 21:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

Oh I'm just curious from an insurance standpoint. Like what if someone broke into your house and stole your HD. Can you only claim the HD or could you reasonably claim the cost of replacing the MP3s (I just talked to my boss-a former underwriter--and he's gonna find out for me)?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 22:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

once i had a hd which seemed perfectly ok. but suddenly it crashed. it had been formatted a couple of megabytes too high. when i reached the limit it was all over.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 22:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

Amplifiers usually have time controls.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 7 April 2018 04:35 (one month ago) Permalink

Tone

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 7 April 2018 04:35 (one month ago) Permalink

My Sony CD player is fucked and I only got it in 2010. Is that normal? Is it the new normal?

― Robert Adam Gilmour

Odd. The entry-level NAD deck i bought in 1998 only made it about 10 years before requiring service (which i know as a 20yr old deck i could still get serviced). But the Sony CD Walkman i still have from the mid-80s will play discs reliably. I did, however, purchase what was to be "the last VCR i'll ever have to buy" in the early 'aughts and it only lasted a few months beyond the original warranty -- and that was the last Sony product i've purchased since.

My car stereo (2-year old) has a bass boost button that i find easier to use while listening at low levels -- especially because you otherwise have to navigate through many menus to adjust the traditional tone controls.

bodacious ignoramus, Saturday, 7 April 2018 09:25 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't think I've had a CD player last more than 5 or 6 years before refusing to play certain CDs or developing other defects like the drawer opening and closing when it's not supposed to. Maybe I've just been unlucky?

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 09:43 (one month ago) Permalink

I think it's normal for a CD player to need service after 5-10 years - moveable parts and a lens that gets dirty

You could take the cover off and clean the lens with a q-tip, might give you a few more years use

I don't know where you live but in Denmark you can get a used CD player for next to nothing

niels, Saturday, 7 April 2018 10:29 (one month ago) Permalink

I've given up on CD hifi components and got a nice, cheap Discman on eBay

This lot approves!
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/best-cd-sound-ever-panasonic-sl-s120-and-sony-d25-portables.556664/

maffew12, Saturday, 7 April 2018 10:33 (one month ago) Permalink

aw I had that panasonic years ago and it sounded lovely. think I accidentally left it in a car I sold.

thomasintrouble, Saturday, 7 April 2018 10:53 (one month ago) Permalink

I like cds because I make a lot of greatest hits mixes using the 80 minute standard. Most people can play these mixes in their vehicles.

He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Saturday, 7 April 2018 12:21 (one month ago) Permalink

I put more care into a playlist (volume normalization and track order) when it is going to become a mix cd.

He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Saturday, 7 April 2018 12:23 (one month ago) Permalink

So yeah, cds are way more giftable than music files.

He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Saturday, 7 April 2018 12:26 (one month ago) Permalink

I used to go all the way with that, mixing and sequencing, creating a single audio file, then burning it as separate seamless tracks. a huge pain in the ass but a rewarding one.

Simon H., Saturday, 7 April 2018 12:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Amplifiers usually have time controls.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, April 7, 2018 5:35 AM
Tone
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, April 7, 2018 5:35 AM

My car stereo (2-year old) has a bass boost button that i find easier to use while listening at low levels -- especially because you otherwise have to navigate through many menus to adjust the traditional tone controls.
― bodacious ignoramus, Saturday, April 7, 2018 10:25 AM

I don't like fiddling with tone controls, because I don't know what I'm doing.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 7 April 2018 15:40 (one month ago) Permalink

To address the original thread topic: I still buy CDs. I avoid buying albums in digital download format unless there’s no CD available.

I’ve ripped many of my CDs to Google Music, so I can listen from my desk at work (though it seems I’m always wanting to hear an album I haven’t yet ripped); but if I’m really *listening* to music, it’s most likely a CD in my car.

My previous car had terrific sound, for whatever reason (it was a 2008 Mazda3); my newer Toyota’s stereo doesn’t sound as great (I’m told Toyota cheaps out on this front), but good enough.

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Saturday, 7 April 2018 16:17 (one month ago) Permalink

I have two Panasonic ‘discman’s which I bought in 1996 and they’re both still going strong despite having been brutally carried around like iPods avant la lettre

when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:48 (one month ago) Permalink

My much-used Discman finally carked it when a puppy saw the earphones dangling off a table-edge, grabbed them and worried the whole thing into bits.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 8 April 2018 08:10 (one month ago) Permalink

I still prefer CDs and feel defensive about it. I work with a bunch of vinyl "connoisseurs" who will readily heap shit on CDs for sounding sterile/harsh. But it's just dumb tribalism - there are well-mastered CDs that sound amazing, and badly-pressed vinyl that sounds like dogshit.

CDs also mean I can get some extraordinary music for $1 a throw, which has enabled me to both catch up on some areas of listening that I'd always meant to explore, and take risks on things that have led to real revelations and joy.

If my workmates spent as much money on a CD player as they did on their authentically wood-panelled turntables they might feel differently too. I always thought all CD players sounded the same, and then I got an amp and speakers that were good enough for me to hear the deficiencies in the CDP that I was using. Now I use an old Denon universal player (ie it was a DVD player with audiophile pretensions) that cost under $100 second-hand and sounds rich, warm, detailed and generally fantastic. I'm sure the ridiculously expensive ones from Accuphase or whoever sound incredible, but I'll never know.

umsworth (emsworth), Sunday, 8 April 2018 10:21 (one month ago) Permalink

I recently bought a new car and it didn't come pre-installed with a CD player (which I was expecting); what I wasn't expecting was to easily find many aftermarket CD players still available to purchase.

Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Friday, 13 April 2018 23:02 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

AAAARRRGGGHHHHH!

I often worry about discs scratching or having a skipping problem but I think it's actually happened only a couple of times before with the same second hand CD, and eventually the later times I played it, it never skipped again. One dodgy disc in roughly 15 years is not bad.
Some CD players had problems reading some old discs but the two CD players I bought could read anything.

I started playing the first disc of the new(ish) Lush box set Chorus. It skips like a bastard and a few reviewers have noted this, good thing I didn't buy an expensive replacement. Why did such an important package have to have this problem?
One reviewer said that with a CD over 76 minutes, there's a risk of skipping but I've never had this problem.

My new Sony CD is great but it smells really bad of strong plastic. Hope the smell fades over time.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 4 May 2018 18:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'll say that the way most labels are packaging their CDs now--in flimsy cardboard digipacks that ten years ago would have been used strictly for promotional copies--is definitely not encouraging me to opt for CD versions. Looking at you, new Sleep album, Drag City, Neil Young...

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 4 May 2018 19:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

...New Pornographers

kornrulez6969, Friday, 4 May 2018 19:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

having never actually owned a cd player apart from my computer and playstation I'll cop to a certain level of ignorance here but records are packaged in cardboard and that seems to work ok?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 May 2018 19:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Paul Ponzi- Are you saying the cardboard damages or it just looks crap? Don't know how flimsy those particular digipaks are that you're talking about.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 4 May 2018 19:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

They:

1) look like shit even before they get bent and creased, which is inevitable
2) typically (and increasingly) lack an additional protective inner sleeve equivalent to vinyl paper sleeves, so the CDs are often scratched before you even unwrap the plastic
3) are impossible to file

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 4 May 2018 19:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the lack of inner sleeves is criminal. MFSL puts out CDs in cardboard jackets these days (not digipaks) but they come with nice soft inner sleeves.

brimstead, Friday, 4 May 2018 19:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

are you guys talking about 'ecowallets'?

when those first hit the scene 15 years ago they felt substandard / promo-only, but strangely, I'm increasingly into them for modern releases as long as they have a thick enough spine to be readable once shelved

I have to make a decision soon between 6-panel digipak & ecowallet for a new release and I'm seriously torn

Milton Parker, Friday, 4 May 2018 20:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

digipaks are totally cool! with ecowallets i feel like i'm always forcing the CD to fit inside.

brimstead, Friday, 4 May 2018 20:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Just googled ecowallets, and yes, these bug me. Many don't have a spine at all! The last few Drag City releases I bought were even worse: no panels at all, just a flimsy sleeve with a disc inside. Felt like some Relix compilation CD you'd get in a SXSW swag bag and immediately throw away

Milton, don't factor my opinions into your research or anything! I'm a relic. If I had my way everything would be in a jewel case.

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 4 May 2018 20:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Jewel cases are my pref as well, b/c they can be cleaned or replaced altogether (if needed). I imagine they’re environmentally terrible, however.

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 4 May 2018 20:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(I also dislike those thin cardboard cases w/no inner sleeve)

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 4 May 2018 20:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

My main issue with the digipack is the tray: if the spokes on the hub break, you're out of luck, while the glue becomes discolored over time and sometimes loses its adhesion. (This has happened with a few of my 2004-2005 Eno remasters, which were packaged with plastic slipcases as if in anticipation of the trays eventually falling out of place. Heck, maybe they fell out of place because of the tight plastic slipcase.) The Chic box set, which contentwise is among my favorites, needs to be held in place and then opened with great sensitivity (like, on a flat surface) because the hubs simply don't hold the discs in place.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 4 May 2018 20:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

dammit you're right about the tray!

lol those eno slipcases were so f'in weird and seemingly pointless

brimstead, Friday, 4 May 2018 20:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, the teeth break on those digipack trays, goodbye packaging forever. Totally impractical. I like the uniformity of the jewel case, with visible spines and, yes, universal and easily replaceable if necessary.

The idea of making a "mini LP replica" sleeve is so fucking stupid.

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 4 May 2018 20:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lol those eno slipcases were so f'in weird and seemingly pointless

I believe the label did the same thing when they reissued Van der Graaf Generator's catalog a year or two later.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 4 May 2018 21:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The jewelcase is like just this side of a really good design that might have let me stay in love with CDs. The universal-replacement aspect is great! Sliding them in and out of shelves is satisfying! It's everything else about them that's ugly and unpleasant - the tabs that hold the booklets in are ungenerous and unforgiving, swapping out the back panel is a little harder than it needs to be, the hinge attachment feels (and is) flimsy and doomed to break. And overall I think the plastic is just a hair too thick, or something, which makes them feel more like the massive utilitarian theft-proofing things the chain stores would additionally house them in, not like a beloved album in your hand. The material feels worn out and scuffled and not-quite-completely-transparent sooner than it ought, making even the brightest and most saturated album art look kinda dingy and blah.

One of those things where a design got standardized too soon IMO, and digipaks stepped in as the "classy" alternative but with such a host of other problems as enumerated above. Though even a period of wider experimentation might not have gotten us anywhere - the early years of VHS saw a real range of packaging solutions, almost all more satisfying and feature rich than the very basic form-fitting cardboard sleeve that became the ubiquitous standard.

noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Friday, 4 May 2018 21:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I passed on a bunch of cheap used Eno remasters recently because they were in those digis.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 May 2018 21:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I started buying CDs in the mid-to-late 80s and even those still play just fine. Back in the 70s some company(ies?) where selling car-audio turntables -- who would actually want to take their wax on the road? Cassettes, though, cassettes were practically designed to handle ketchup/beer spillage and even the errant leftover roach.

Using solid storage towers/shelves and organized will keep my well-used stax looking pristine indefinitely.

bodacious ignoramus, Friday, 4 May 2018 21:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Kinda dig those 'slimline' jewel cases - they're roughly half the depth of a regular jewel case, yet you can fit a J-card in the top cover and still print information on the spine. Often times you see them without a back-sleeve, and the disc is fixed upside-down, so you can see the graphics when looking at it from the back. The teeth don't seem so brittle on my copies (+Minus - A Rainy Koran Verse, and one of the ErstLive series), as most clear plastic trays.

I liked the attention that Drag City put into their jewel cases, during the late 90s / early 00s - with a custom (glossy, or colored) tray piece, and high quality (various types of stock) paper booklets. Nowadays you get a cardboard slip that's dog-eared to shit when you get it in the mail.

Edition Wandelweiser uses these three-panel, folding paper (thick) pieces, with a small foam 'anchor' for the CD hole. Uniform layout / typography, discs are colored (nice appearance), but it's a flimsy package. It comes in a plastic slip, with an adhesive, fold-over lip.. pretty much throwaway

Another Timbre

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 4 May 2018 23:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Don't know why jewel cases still use teeth after so many other better types have been around.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 5 May 2018 12:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I've never really thought about it, but it's kind of true that there's no durable, protective and aesthetically-pleasing case widely available for CDs. Jewel cases are durable (or at least easily replaceable) and protective, but not aesthetically pleasing. Digipaks are a slight step up in aesthetics still kind of ugly, and prone to breakage. Cardboard eco-sleeves are a bit more aesthetically pleasing but not terribly protective. I guess maybe having an inner sleeve in a cardboard outer sleeve would be the best of both worlds, but a bit of a pain to get the CD in and out. In my own cases, I ditched all my CD cases a long while back and put everything in binders - a triumph of convenience over aesthetics.

o. nate, Sunday, 6 May 2018 02:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The basic / single (?) gatefold "wallet", with two panels (+ a spine = two creases) and a plastic tray glued on the right panel, (in)side works--no extra unfolding necessary, print the information inside the single-panel cover, beneath the disc, or on the back cover. Remember when Syro came out on CD, it has like a nine-panel gatefold packaging (wtFphex !?) - i would've cut the bulk/excess cardboard off if I had to open it every time I put it on.

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 6 May 2018 05:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I solved that problem by selling it to Amoeba.

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Sunday, 6 May 2018 05:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I raved about these upthread, they are great:

https://spacesavingsleeves.com/

They are polythene gatefold CD sleeves that take up a fraction of the space on shelves. If you get a CD in a jewel case, just throw that shit away and put the disc, booklet and tray card in one of these. And yes, you can still see the spine on the shelf.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Sunday, 6 May 2018 06:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

100% agree ^^^

mike t-diva, Sunday, 6 May 2018 12:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm still thinking about getting those.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 6 May 2018 14:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Oh hell no

brimstead, Sunday, 6 May 2018 15:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

No. Those look awful.

Duke, Sunday, 6 May 2018 16:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Sadly, if I wanted all of my CDs to be on shelves as a proper library, I'd have to own an apartment twice as big as my 650 s.f. apartment. So they're all packed away in boxes in the basement. Which admittedly does defeat some of the purpose of physical media, besides the sense that if I somehow catastrophically lost all of the rips/backups I have of everything, I could re-rip them (over a process of years).

Anybody found any reasonably attractive shelving system? In theory someday I could at least try to turn one wall in my apartment into shelves to make a library of a few thousand of the albums, spouse permitting. . .

Or maybe I need to admit defeat, and donate the 7k or so albums to a library, or to my favorite shop, or something, since supposedly they're now worthless to the LPs-with-download-codes/streaming-only youth ; )

Soundslike, Sunday, 6 May 2018 16:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Guess how often I curse at trying to unfold/refold an IPR release (Scenic, Savage Republic, Lanterna, etc.) in one of those origami discfolios. After 20 years, they/'re all coming apart.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 6 May 2018 21:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Re shelving - a monolithic shelf wall in a neutral colour allows thousands of discs to be just a texture in a room. If you make the shelves a few inches deeper than the discs need, you can put small stuff like photos etc in front even.

startled macropod (MatthewK), Sunday, 6 May 2018 21:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Recently bought a bookshelf and a bunch of those Snap-n-Store CD boxes. They hold ~60 regular CDs in jewel cases. I still need about two more. It's an alright (but not perfect) solution so far, and I like that my discs can be accessible without being displayed. Most of my discs are ripped now (save for DJ mixes), and my home listening is usually through Airplay to the A/V receiver or on vinyl through the DJ setup in my front room.

naus, Sunday, 6 May 2018 21:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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