Wolfgang Voigt's GAS Project: the Poll

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
Pop - 200012
Königsforst - 1998 9
Zauberberg - 1997 3
Gas - 1996 2
Modern 12" - 1995 0
Oktember 12" - 1999 0


Mark Clemente, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

voigt's best work, in my opinion, still some of the most striking ambient music i've ever heard. i'm not sure which one i'll pick - when i listen to gas i find myself needing to pull out all of these.

Mark Clemente, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

not sure why the image isn't showing, but whatever.

Mark Clemente, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

pop i guess

s1ocki, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think pull out Konigsforest a little more, but it's all good.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

Aren't these hard to come by/horrifically expensive? I found a copy of Pop in HMV about 2 years ago and it looked like it had been there a while. Fantastic stuff but I don't feel qualified to vote as I haven't heard the others.

mmmm, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

I've been on a major Wolfgang Voigt kick lately. The GAS stuff in particular is perfect for this time of the year. As of right now I think I have to go with Zauberberg. Wish they would reissue all of these, although I did manage to get Pop and Zauberberg on CD a few years ago.

lou, Thursday, 10 January 2008 21:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

yea they SERIOUSLY need to reissue these. i'm surprised that voigt hasn't.

i actually downloaded all of them from kompakt's mp3 website. you can get each of them for about the price of a new cd.

Mark Clemente, Thursday, 10 January 2008 22:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

actually i'm not sure if oktember's on there.

Mark Clemente, Thursday, 10 January 2008 22:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

I picked up his brother's Sturmgesten recently hoping some of the magic would be there... I didn't find it

mmmm, Thursday, 10 January 2008 22:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm also just re-visiting Pop Ambient 2007 and getting way more into it than I ever did originally--the first half in particular.

lou, Thursday, 10 January 2008 22:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

königsforst for me

omar little, Thursday, 10 January 2008 22:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

Zauberberg, and not just for the title alone.

Yeah, I bought these when they came out and was surprised to discover recently how expensive/rare these are now. I'm glad to hear that they are now available via the Kompakt site because they are timeless records.

Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 10 January 2008 22:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

timeless, yes. i love these.

sleep, Thursday, 10 January 2008 23:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

Konigsforst, definitely. I love how parts of it are so lo-fi that they sound almost mono.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 10 January 2008 23:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

absolutely timeless. quite addicting, too.

re: pop ambient 2007 - that gas track is one of his best, too, i think. ("nach 1912" or something like that?) it's incredible.

i might go with zauberberg, i'm not sure. it's possibly the most consistent of them.

but i think i might vote pop, it's such a weird, weird record. it's got this uneasiness to it, even in what most people think are the calming tracks. the way it shifts moods from soothing to disturbing, contemplative to restless, etc., makes it such an interesting listening experience.

Mark Clemente, Thursday, 10 January 2008 23:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

königsforst for me

-- omar little, Thursday, 10 January 2008 22:13 (1 hour ago)

am0n, Thursday, 10 January 2008 23:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

pop just over königsforst 4 me

sleep, Thursday, 10 January 2008 23:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'd be interested in hearing why voigt decided to discontinue the gas project

Mark Clemente, Friday, 11 January 2008 00:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

Königsforst

Mark Rich@rdson, Friday, 11 January 2008 00:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

if anyone goes out and buys all of these i'd hate to see their GAS BILL!!!! HAHAHAHAHHA

s1ocki, Friday, 11 January 2008 01:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

oh man

i still laughed though

Mark Clemente, Friday, 11 January 2008 01:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 00:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

these are so good.

Konigsforst for me, altho "Oktober" is pretty amazing. By the way, I don't think it was a 12" - it was released as part of the Raster-Noton 20 to 2000" series as a 3" CD in 5" plastic.

sleeve, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 00:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

my mistake - discogs had it listed as a 12", but i've never actually seen the physical release so i wouldn't know. it is pretty amazing!

Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 00:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

i've only heard three of these, but based on that, Pop wins.

the table is the table, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 01:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

probably my favorite music ever, i have to go with the s/t lp but really all of these are like 11/10

winston, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 01:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm pretty sure "moderne" is still in print; i see it often enough anyway.. the other stuff is mille plateaux and i don't think they've gotten around to reissuing anything since restarting last year or whatever

must mention the tal track that opens pop ambient 2002 and closes that harvest cologne comp.. beyond gorgeous...

All the mint stuff is absolutely essential too (there needs to be a comp of it)

winston, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 01:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

oktember 12" = track one of the koningsforst cd issue + 20 to 2000 on the flip (i've never heard the 20 to 2000 cd -- so i'm assuming here)

resolved, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

here's the discogs' link, fwiw.

Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

ha, selling for $80. i can't believe how much gas stuff sells for.

Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

well, prices LISTED on discogs are often a bit higher than the real value... oktember is one of the more expensive ones. if you look at the market price history for the 2xlps, there are a bunch offered at ridiculous prices but the ones that actually sell are priced much lower (altho still quite expensive)

resolved, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

yea i think i saw one of the albums (in cd version) sell for $30 or $40 on amazon once, which is very expensive but not horribly so.

Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 16:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

Voigt's 20 to 2000 contribution, "20 Minuten Gas im November," was released under his own name, not as Gas, and was exclusive to the series. it was not the b-side of the "Oktember" 12"

Mr. Hal Jam, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 17:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

I voted Pop; probably my favorite ambient album by any artist.

rockapads, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 19:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

lol

am0n, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

wow

Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

you'd think they would do the the favor of shipping it.

Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'd be interested in hearing why voigt decided to discontinue the gas project

Well, he did four full-length albums of Gas material and since the sound evolves only slightly after the second one, I imagine he just got bored and wanted to do something else. Considering how many pseudonyms and different projects he's done, I'm thankful the Gas one was the most prolifice.

That said, check out the MassStab and Studio 1 series because those are pretty great as well. Similarly minimal, but with dense patterns of samples instead of washes of sound.

Bill in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 23:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 00:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

wow my gas bill joke just gets more and more prescient in hindsight. WOW

s1ocki, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 00:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm surprised there weren't more votes for zauberberg

Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 02:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

The first two tracks of Zauberberg back-to-back kill me. Highs not quite as high as Königsforst though. Pop is amazing but definitely its own thing. Also search All singles.

Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 02:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

So is there anywhere one can buy Oktember at a reasonable price? It's not on the Kompakt site. And is Modern 12" only?

toby, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 12:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

Mark- It's the third track on Zauberberg that really gets me. This album somehow manages to both creep me out and pacify me at the same time.

Also, the only way to suitably describe the last track is heavenly.

lou, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 13:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

yea zauberberg is really bizarre, isn't it? you have the first and last tracks which are completely gorgeous - yea, heavenly, the third track (which is one of my favorite Gas tracks) which kind of envelopes you in this really calm way, but all the other tracks are downright creepy.

Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 14:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

the last track on konigsforst always makes me think of a sunrise because it sounds like a warped/looped "william tell overture", that waking-up music they use in cartoons

am0n, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 15:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

i wonder if any classical heads can trainspot what pieces he samples

am0n, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 15:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

I actually thought about e-mailing Alex Ross about Gas. He's probably pretty busy though.

Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 15:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

if any of you use spotify it is on there

marcos, Friday, 21 April 2017 17:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

a new gas album! i'm really really excited about this

marcos, Friday, 21 April 2017 17:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

this has grown on me quite a bit.. the general tone and that sort of queasiness (subtle vibrato) going on, it seemed too monotonous at first, but it's become strongly enveloping. listened on a pair of crappy headphones last night, the details are very fine-grained--it's expensive-sounding, as the Pitchfork review stated. Singling out tracks 1, 2, 3, and 5 as favorites. dig that blatant hiss, or wind-in-the-trees sound at the tail end of track three. track two is an obvious favorite, there's a lot of subtle melodic variation going on in the later tracks (following #7, the monotonous, super-consonant power drone), still haven't really 'lived' with the 17-minute closer. waiting patiently for the CD on amazon pre-order (cheapest), very pleased with this work.

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 21 April 2017 17:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

So, this cme out tpoday, and it's okay, I think... Pretty much what you would expect from a Gas album, so some quality hypnodrones, but it feels like it's missing something compared to Königsforst or Zauberberg? Lowell is right that it seems to be lacking some of the depth and submerged quality of previous Gas albums. At points you can clearly hear the separate string and brass sections of the classical music he's sampling, and I think that takes some of the mystery away. It's not this otherworldy, unidentified sound world anymore. I bet some trainspotter fans could even figure out where the samples are from.

Also, I feel that the fact that it has more and shorter tracks and less imposing beats makes it harder for me to really get into the proper Gas trance... 4 minutes is too short a time to submerge into it before the track changes. As blunt as the heavy bass drums on the previous records were, with the murky undecipherable drones they really did create something unique. I can't really fault Voigt for trying something a bit different, but the result is that the beatless tracks especially sound like numerous other droney ambient artists (some of whom were obviously influenced by Gas, to be fair) and not something sui generis like his earlier Gas works.

― Tuomas, Friday, April 21, 2017 1:29 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a few tracks in and i see what you are saying

marcos, Friday, 21 April 2017 18:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

"narkopop 7" is like being hugged by a tractor beam

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 21 April 2017 19:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

gonna listen the hell out of this when I get home and fire up Spotify

sleeve, Friday, 21 April 2017 19:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah, 7 was the one that stood out to me on first listen as well. looking forward to spending a lot of time with this, although i do see how some of tuomas' criticisms might apply

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 April 2017 21:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

there's a continuity that makes it feel like one long piece.. several tracks share the same tonal center as others, like the way track 6 sets up track 7 - chord/pitch-wise. Track 6 stood out to me as the oddest, with its percussive bits and piano. The album has a subtle airiness about it that gels nicely with the listening environment.

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Friday, 21 April 2017 21:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah, those percussive clangs on track 6 really stood out for me too, they're so unlike anything else on any Gas album. I think I could even hear marimbas there?

Tuomas, Friday, 21 April 2017 22:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

I have to say this album sounded better on the second listen, when I played it at high volume on my surround speakers instead of listening it on headphones while walking. Still not a fan of the short beatless tracks tho.

Tuomas, Friday, 21 April 2017 22:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think it's overall a more relaxing record than Konigsforst or Zauberberg.. I can't put those albums on and just zone out, like with Pop or Narkopop.. lots of passive, horizontal, half-conscious listening over the last several days.. it's more of a truly ambient thing, where you don't have to lock into it or fully engage.

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 22 April 2017 01:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

recently re-watched seasons 2 + 3 of Homeland, there's a recurring musical motif that's eerily similar to that of track 3 on Konigsforst.. grew a sort of weird attachment to the show. Pop V is one of my favorite Gas tracks, and Pop was the only Gas album I knew for the longest while until discovering the other albums. Konigsforst has been sounding so ultra lately, just all of that popping detail, texture, and melodic content.. it's tough to beat.

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 22 April 2017 02:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

loving this on first listen, I'm up to the martial drums on track 5. almost a Laibach vibe going on. I'm fine with the "shorter" tracks workign as interludes to these long pieces, I also thought the bass drum on track 2 was very satisfying

sleeve, Saturday, 22 April 2017 03:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

10 is really something. the clearness of the samples on the record is jarring, compared to his previous work. you can play tracks from the s/t, zauberberg and konigsforst on shuffle and they'll more or less sound of a kind, and pop takes similar ideas in a new direction. but narkopop wouldn't work in that playlist - the samples are too clear, the attack on the samples is shorter, clearheaded. it's not a criticism, just an observation.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 23 April 2017 04:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

Listening to this very loudly on big speakers is definitely the way to go - there's some serious low end on Narkopop 2, and I was totally unprepared for that huge swathe of La Mer when it emerged.

Matt DC, Sunday, 23 April 2017 09:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

i have only listened to this a tiny bit, never making it the whole way through without someone at work rudely rousing me from my deep gas slumber, but it is so interesting even just as a kind of control group through which to think about the other gas records, i think. i listen to pop every day, sometimes, quite often in that sort of unflattering way in which Gas - Pop (FULL ALBUM) youtube is just a convenient tool solving various problems of noise or sleep or attention, &c, but still it so clearly means something & feels kind of like a place, to me, i like pop 4 the most but i think of the first two songs, which are always still this bewitching midpoint between nature & electronics & the things both sets of sounds elicit in you, to play it for the specific sensation of a kind of difficult to parse emotion: even with konigsforst i still think i am not far away from a sort of established implied mood of like foreboding synthesizer associations, like people talking about this record & mulholland drive. i am immediately bummed out hearing this to not find the same forest soup, to have something that is more recognizably parts, & then a minute into a song something will emerge from a synth & i'll feel the tension again, the same feeling of it becoming something i can't read, don't quite understand. any kind of unburied drum feels sort of crass because i just long for more time trying to find myself in the pop forest, but so far it is growing on me & i get the tractor beam feeling mentioned upthread instead.

schlump, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

<3

sleeve, Thursday, 27 April 2017 02:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

i listen to this furious to have been parachuted into the wrong gas world

schlump, Thursday, 27 April 2017 03:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

hate to break it to you guys but according to the tracklist of this ra mix, i am wolfgang voigt https://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=570

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 1 May 2017 19:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol texas

-_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 1 May 2017 19:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

original or Method Man-featuring version?

boxedjoy, Monday, 1 May 2017 22:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

roll eyes emoji

the late great, Monday, 1 May 2017 22:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

original or Method Man-featuring version?

― boxedjoy, Monday, May 1, 2017 3:30 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus i had completely forgotten about this

-_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 1 May 2017 23:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

no seams between tracks on the CD version, it does work best as one full serving, with all of its variations cohering into one streamlined piece (tonally). Narkopop is definitely one of the best sounding GAS albums, airy and humid, it's ultra-pleasant. I'm sure the vinyl product is top notch but it's nice to not have to change sides every 15 or so minutes.

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 1 May 2017 23:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol @ residentadvisor comment thread

schlump, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 01:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

Whoa is that tracklist the actual tracklist? That is a ballsy move.

dance cum rituals (Moka), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 07:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

Kompakt dude obsessed with shiny 80s pop shocker.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 08:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

not ballsy, just lazy

the late great, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 17:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

i think it's great

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 17:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

I usually hate that "something different to what I normally play on the club" bullshit, and it is true that this sounds like a middle aged woman's spotify playlist, however, I enjoyed it more than any other RA podcast in a year or more (with the exception of that disco / italo mix by that Japanese guy).

-_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 18:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

six months pass...

huh, i missed this

only listening on my laptop at the moment, which cuts out a lot and always makes things sound smoover, but

OH JESUS

it sounds so much waaaaay more narcotic (dur) than a typical gas record, just like an instant ZONK, like a microwave beam, i suspect encephalography was involved at some stage

j., Friday, 1 December 2017 10:48 (one month ago) Permalink

live show this year was fantastic. i don't know how long it went on for but i was spellbound the whole way through, that whole thing where creeping anxiety is slowly transmuted into joy and wonder and then you slip back into the dark again. my journey home from work is often through some woods in the dark and now narkpop is more often than not the soundtrack to that. it's really had the effect of recallibrating my ears and my emotional response to that environment, especially hearing the wind through the leaves in the treetops as that same static-like hissing, no idea why i hadn't thought of listening to gas in situ before

damian green is people (NickB), Friday, 1 December 2017 11:37 (one month ago) Permalink

yes! the show was amazing

nxd, Friday, 1 December 2017 11:44 (one month ago) Permalink

Cosign all that, just zoned out and became completely immersed in it.

Matt DC, Friday, 1 December 2017 11:54 (one month ago) Permalink

fuck i guess i gotta buy tickets for here

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 1 December 2017 13:52 (one month ago) Permalink

i hope you like trees!

this album sends you under like nothing else

ogmor, Friday, 1 December 2017 14:08 (one month ago) Permalink

it's taken me a while to realise just how much I love Gas, and Narkopop has been the deal-sealer, one of my favourite albums for the last few months

Illegal Ethiopian Dance Music (Noodle Vague), Friday, 1 December 2017 14:19 (one month ago) Permalink

So... Bleep lists this as 11 tracks, the last of which is >70min. Is that the vinyl-only track? (In which case, how come the vinyl is "only" a triple if it's 150min?) I'm guessing this is a typo, as the vinyl bonus on Discogs is 16min. And the vinyl is over £50!

CD w/booklet is sold out on Bleep (which might be the only way to get track 11 bundled, as a download, with the CD), so I may go for 11xWAVs and write 1-10 to disc with no pre-gaps (tracks are seamless on the CD release, right?).

Michael Jones, Friday, 1 December 2017 14:30 (one month ago) Permalink

presumably that last track is just the album in a single track - Spotify lists it that way as well

Simon H., Friday, 1 December 2017 14:33 (one month ago) Permalink

Ah, got it. The 71min version is for gapless streaming/burning. So Narkopop 11 really is vinyl-only, not downloadable.

£50 though...

Michael Jones, Friday, 1 December 2017 14:37 (one month ago) Permalink

Kompakt has it for €50 so that's about £44... without shipping

willem, Friday, 1 December 2017 14:45 (one month ago) Permalink

this trend of splitting up CD-length albums over as much wax as possible really bugs me

Simon H., Friday, 1 December 2017 14:46 (one month ago) Permalink

I have made my peace with it wrt the Cavern of Anti-Matter LPs (both triples), but they were £20 each, and pretty satisfying to own on vinyl. Having a bit of a thing at the moment for vintage synths on wax, possibly triggered by digging out Matmos's Supreme Balloon (a mere double LP) again a few weeks ago and marvelling at how that sounded.

But GAS I'd take as full-fat digital.

Michael Jones, Friday, 1 December 2017 15:10 (one month ago) Permalink

Many xxps: great post, nickb. I got offered a ticket for the Barbican show but I live in the Shires and am old and said no and oh fuck it.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 1 December 2017 19:00 (one month ago) Permalink

Album of the year for me.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 1 December 2017 19:00 (one month ago) Permalink

maybe me as well

sleeve, Friday, 1 December 2017 19:03 (one month ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

RIYL GAS: F.E. Denning

i only started listening to him, uh, last night, but his music reminds me quite a bit of voigt - long, untitled drone-based songs, occasional string pads, effectively establishing a sense of unique space in each song, e

while generally being quite a bit darker in tone.
all of his songs have < 1000 listens on spotify so i don't think he's a household name quite yet, but

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 December 2017 18:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

goddammit, i didn't mean to submit that yet, but i'll just leave it there. if anyone knows of him or knows any cool tidbits about him or his music i'd love to hear them. i find it to be excellent work music so i expect to be listening quite a bit more this coming year.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 December 2017 18:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Aw, I know him, he is a cool guy :) Him and a whole bunch of Copenhagen jazz guys did a pretty cool Coltrane tribute a few years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1qs-z-7dJI

Frederik B, Saturday, 30 December 2017 18:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

wow, that's very unlike his other material i've heard, thanks!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 December 2017 18:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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