Lynyrd Skynyrd: Classic or Dud?

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sweet home alabama is well cool, yes, i know you like it. but what about the rest. is it all, like, bar room boogie, and where does this stand critically today? and where, more importantly, does it stand with you?

gareth, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic - so many great songs: "Simple Man," "Tuesday's Gone," "Saturday Night Special," "That Smell," "Workin' for MCA," "Gimme 3 Steps," "Sweet Home Alabama," etc., etc.

hstencil, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

there's quite a bit of dull straightahead boog. but there's much good stuff too in the dept of (1) slow yearning type #s ("Thursday's Gone" & y'know that other one), (2) country rock like that one about bummin' on the railway so you can understand where Jimmie Rodgers & Merle H. were comin from, (3) badass heavy blues rock #s like "The Needle & the Spoon" & "Sat. Night Special".

I don't know much after the 1st 3 alb's tho. Diminishing returns I wd imagine.

unknown or illegal user, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

oops, yeah right it's Tuesday that's gone isnt it.

unknown or illegal user, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Another useless classic. Important to know who they are, but not important enough to warrant putting any on the turntable. Kids should study it and then forget it until the subject comes up at a party.

And don't fuckin' yell "FreeBird!" at concerts. It isn't funny anymore.

Lloyd Cole said (when "FreeBird" was requested) "It's strange how that FreeBird guy shows up at every single concert, regardless of location or who's performing."

Dave225, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

When a band produces both "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Free Bird", they could produce a pile of shite for the rest of their career, and still be classic. Which is what Skynyrd did...

Judd Nelson, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic AND fun to listen to. "Workin' for MCA" and "Call Me the Breeze" are uniformly excellent southern workouts...

Joe, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's incredible how many hits, huh? They're like the southern boogie- rock AC/DC, just putting the same two great songs over and over. God bless those conservative little cockfarmers.

Tracer hand, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"down south jukin'" and "gimme back my bullets are classic".

jel --, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dud.

jonathan thrak, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

'And don't fuckin' yell "FreeBird!" at concerts. It isn't funny anymore'


WHIPPING POST!!!

dave q, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

the allman bros aren't as good as lynyrd skynyrd

unknown or illegal user, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Allman Brothers weren't even as good as the Outhere Brothers

dave q, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I recommend going to audiogalaxy and downloading Freeway To Stairbird by the Reverend Billy C. Wirtz. It's better than everything Lynyrd Skynyrd recorded put together.

Martin Skidmore, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tracer's post is very much OTM.

Sean, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
Tracer's post is very condescending. Conservative sure, after Ronnie died in the plane wreck, but listen to their early stuff and tell me they have a conservative pov.

hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tell me how putting out the same song 40 times in a row isn't conservative!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 13 December 2002 17:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tell me how putting out the same song 40 times in a row isn't conservative!

Yeah, all their songs sound alike, blah blah blah, BUY YOURSELF SOME NEW EARS, MISTER.

hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 17:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

For you Skynyrd fans out there, have you heard the new Drive-By Truckers, Southern Rock Opera, yet? I've heard several tracks off of it, and they've all been quite good. I'm thinking I may have to buy it. The AMG review calls it "a song cycle about Southern rock, in particular Lynyrd Skynyrd" and says that it summons "a swampy intensity recalling a grittier, less commercially viable early version of Skynyrd".

o. nate (onate), Friday, 13 December 2002 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Patterson Hood's a HUGE Skynrd fan. That album was in the works forever also, was originally supposed to be titled Betamax Guillotine, which is a better title I think. It's very good, but it's not the Drive-By Truckers best album, just their longest.

James Blount, Friday, 13 December 2002 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

What is their best album, if you don't mind my asking?

o. nate (onate), Friday, 13 December 2002 22:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dudyrd Dudyrd.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 December 2002 22:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

(pronounced...

The first one.

I'd rather listen to them than Killing Joke any day of the week.

hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 22:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Frankly, stencil, all consenting members of estimable Killing Joke alumni -- including its current administration -- concur that they'd RATHER you listen to Lynyrd Skynyrd than Killing Joke, as you have roundly fallen quite short in your duty to honor the fire and thus, do not deserve to listen to Killing Joke. So, why not go fetch yourself a nice tin of chewing tobacco and some moonshine and enjoy the fruits of the Van Zant Klan. Lynyrd Skynard can have you.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 December 2002 23:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

But they honor the fire!

hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 23:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

BAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 December 2002 23:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

three years pass...
From the locked thread:

I also resent them for the redneck following they've developed

I don't know if I like blaming bands for their audience.

Except for maybe ICP... No, they suck no matter who listens...

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Sunday, 15 January 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Lynryd Skynryd are a bunch of drunk rednecks from Florida who pretend to be from Alabama and have songs in commercials about food from Kentucky. Fuck them.

Richard Wood Johnson, Monday, 13 August 2007 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Richard Wood Johnson, you're a dick.

rogermexico., Monday, 13 August 2007 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link

the user name would certainly suggest so.

classic all day long, esp. first two lp's.

S: "Working For MCA" and "Gimme Back My Bullets" and whole lot of others.

will, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Richard Wood Johnson, you're a dick.

Eh. I'd rather be a dick than like SKYNYRD, DUUUDDE!!

Richard Wood Johnson, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link

the vision of drunk, toothless rednecks with confederate flags plastered all over their rusting pick-up trucks, air guitaring to "Gimme Three Steps" in white trash bars has cemented my hatred for this sort of country-fried nonsense forever. and i'm not just knocking the band for their audience, either. their music is pure, unadulterated bullshit cooked down to its purest form and smeared all over the last few vestiges of passable artistic taste that still exist in this world.

Richard Wood Johnson, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link

BAN RICHARD WOOD JOHNSON

Dom Passantino, Monday, 13 August 2007 19:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Dud. I know there's not much point in posting negative opinion here, but really people - two words: "Free bird". RWJ OTM.

Soukesian, Monday, 13 August 2007 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link

DOM OTM

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 01:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Ban people who don't like Skynyrd. That's the kind of legislated sense of aesthetics that ILM really needs.

Richard Wood Johnson, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 01:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Ban people who don't like Skynyrd.

co-sign

people who don't like Skynyrd are one aesthetic step from not liking the Allmans, which in a just world would be a capital offense

J0hn D., Tuesday, 14 August 2007 02:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Really, people, two words: THAT SMELL

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 02:04 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I really am digging 'Simple Man' lately.

Chelvis, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 01:23 (fifteen years ago) link

*puts 'Ban people who don't like Skynyrd' on a t-shirt*

Kerm, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 01:38 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...

RIP Billy Powell.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link

RIP indeed

double bird strike (gabbneb), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 21:03 (fifteen years ago) link

play it pretty for atlanta

mookieproof, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 21:09 (fifteen years ago) link

people who don't like Skynyrd are one aesthetic step from not liking the Allmans, which in a just world would be a capital offense

Gee, I guess that means we should make alcohol illegal too, since people who drink are one step away from smoking pot.

Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Thursday, 29 January 2009 01:16 (fifteen years ago) link

We should make pot legal because it makes the Allmans sound better.

james k polk, Thursday, 29 January 2009 01:27 (fifteen years ago) link

res with the penetrating insight into a joke post

J0hn D., Thursday, 29 January 2009 01:51 (fifteen years ago) link

a year-old joke post

also, james polk otm

J0hn D., Thursday, 29 January 2009 01:55 (fifteen years ago) link

res with the penetrating insight into a joke post

you got whooshed dude

Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Thursday, 29 January 2009 02:03 (fifteen years ago) link

got any more awesome wikipedia links res

J0hn D., Thursday, 29 January 2009 02:13 (fifteen years ago) link

i found this one yesterday.

Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Thursday, 29 January 2009 02:33 (fifteen years ago) link

Though this band still has Artimus Pyle around from the end of the classic era.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 March 2023 03:23 (one year ago) link

The only other one I can think of is the Ramones.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 6 March 2023 03:23 (one year ago) link

All two members of the original Tyrannosaurus Rex, Jimi Hendrix Experience ... not many!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 March 2023 03:26 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiwEvslZGWk

seems kind of distasteful to say a band was hampered by a monumentally tragic/disastrous/lethal plane crash but good lord, we might live in a very different world I think, I mean who can say but losing the preeminent prog country band couldn't have helped

Florin Cuchares, Monday, 6 March 2023 03:31 (one year ago) link

Everyone on the debut Canned Heat album is now dead. xp

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 6 March 2023 03:40 (one year ago) link

I'm sure a bunch of the doo wop groups are all dead now, but I guess it depends on when you're starting the clock.

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Monday, 6 March 2023 03:43 (one year ago) link

A little wild to think Al Kooper has survived his most famous discovery.

ronnie & gary with tom hamilton of aerosmith - file HIM under bands you never thought would survive

“hey ronnie you’ll never believe this”

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/34/f4/16/34f416fe0efb788983dbad9b36cb7b42.jpg

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 March 2023 03:50 (one year ago) link

I'm sure a bunch of the doo wop groups are all dead now, but I guess it depends on when you're starting the clock.

Yeah, the '50s and early Rock/R&B are a different thing. Johnny Burnette & the Rock'n'Roll Trio--all dead. The Crickets are down to Sonny Curtis etc.

I worked for Skynyrd's label - CMC, not MCA - so I saw the band a bunch, though not the classic incarnation.

Now everyone from then is gone.

For my money they are in the conversation for best American rock band ever.

RIP Gary. I'll still remember you.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 6 March 2023 04:37 (one year ago) link

Listening to the One For The Road live double album
i love the studio albums but the band just sound so much like ~themselves~ live
pure electric boogie

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 March 2023 04:48 (one year ago) link

Classic trio line-up of Motorhead all gone too.

RIP Gary

this set is totally lame but of course I bought it (Matt #2), Monday, 6 March 2023 07:44 (one year ago) link

fwiw artimus pyle still lives

mookieproof, Monday, 6 March 2023 08:21 (one year ago) link

When you inspire the line “Whiskey bottles, brand new cars, oak tree you’re in my way”, survive a plane crash and still make it to 71, you are a tough old bird.

Fly on freebird…RIP Gary

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 00:05 (one year ago) link

Ramones all gone too

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 02:23 (one year ago) link

Except late-era drummer Artimus Ramone

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 02:24 (one year ago) link

The original lineup of The Beatles aka The Quarrymen

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 12:46 (one year ago) link

I thought Artimus Starr was still with us...

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 13:14 (one year ago) link

Not anymore unfortunately. Cause of death: bizarre archery accident.

Gene Markey’s Goin’ Off (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 13:26 (one year ago) link

Original Skynyrd bus drive Optimus Prime is still with us, isn't he?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 13:28 (one year ago) link

john ingham, a uk writer who interview skynyrd in glasgow in the mid 70s, wrote this in a letter to bob lefsetz:

I joined them in Glasgow at the Albany Hotel (the only place musicians stayed). We were the only people sitting in the dining lounge. At the end of the room was a low stage and a keyboard and mics. After awhile a guy and girl combo climbed on to the stage and started to play in a very Carpenters style. Not brilliant, not terrible, an ordinary hotel band.

As soon as they started Ronnie Van Zandt and Gary Rossington paid attention and listened to them and at the end of each song applauded. Then the record company lady made a disparaging comment about the playing. Instantly Ronnie spun on her and with real anger said, “They’re musicians. They’re working. You show them respect.”

A-plus

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 05:27 (one year ago) link

<3

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 06:16 (one year ago) link

A+

Gene Markey’s Goin’ Off (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 07:24 (one year ago) link

RVZ OTGDM

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 14:28 (one year ago) link

that's awesome

rossington's slide work on "Freebird" is all time, beautiful

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 14:34 (one year ago) link

Singer-songwriter (and one-time '90s Blues dude) Ian Moore, from FB:

Gary Rossington- I want to tell a short story about his humanity.
My band was touring with Skynard and Ted Nugent. It was, as you can imagine, a very trippy tour. I would spend a lot of evenings hanging with Gary and his wife Dale. Gary and Ted were very different people. Opposite ends of the spectrum.

One night, during the show, Ted’s main guitar, a late 50’s Birdland, fell and the neck broke. I was hanging with Gary. He was distraught. Despite their differences, he couldn’t stand that Ted’s main guitar was broken. He stayed up all night, found the exact same guitar, bought it, and had it at the arena the next morning. That is the kind of guy Gary Rossington was

Gary and Ted were very different people. Opposite ends of the spectrum.

trying to think of higher praise that you could give someone

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 14:37 (one year ago) link

the preeminent prog country band

I was caught off guard this morning by the mellotron on "Tuesday's Gone" and "Free Bird" before remembering this scientific fact

Brad C., Wednesday, 8 March 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link

captain beyond might like a word but i get it

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 18:56 (one year ago) link

That respect thing says so much, don’t want to mess with it but summarizing or paraphrasing etc.

Gene Markey’s Goin’ Off (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 March 2023 06:15 (one year ago) link

But=by

Gene Markey’s Goin’ Off (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 March 2023 06:38 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

second helping was released 50 years ago today

mookieproof, Monday, 15 April 2024 22:22 (four days ago) link

turn it up

mookieproof, Monday, 15 April 2024 22:24 (four days ago) link

I'm *still* not sure of the politics of "Sweet Home Alabama." At the least it's probably the most maddeningly ambiguous/misunderstood/complicated song of its ilk aside from "Okie from Muskogee," with which is shares a lot of DNA. Even the band was inconsistent when talking about it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 22:44 (four days ago) link

Skynyrd are playing with ZZ Top not too far from me, but the line-up now is basically Ricky Medlocke, Ronnie Van Zant's brother and a bunch of random dudes. How they get to go out playing under the name is beyond me.

the scouse that roared (Matt #2), Monday, 15 April 2024 23:02 (four days ago) link

“SWA” is a good sophomore year high school talent show entry, just be prepared that the bass player will be the only one in the band who remembers the F-E-D turnaround

calstars, Monday, 15 April 2024 23:07 (four days ago) link

Ronnie was in his twenties when he wrote that and came from a very backward place. That song is well beyond him and his politics now. Anyway saying the governor’s true in that situation is pretty reprehensible.

“All I can do is write about it” is his best defense of the south.

Heez, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 02:02 (three days ago) link

Disney Skynyrd ride when

calstars, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 02:24 (three days ago) link

yeah 'watergate does not bother me/does your conscience bother you' is pretty straightforward

mookieproof, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 02:26 (three days ago) link

but the Swampers

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 03:12 (three days ago) link

“Now watergate has got the swompers”

calstars, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 03:16 (three days ago) link

“Now we all did what conscience do”

calstars, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 03:17 (three days ago) link

I've got to admit, as a simple man, that I've never had any idea what "watergate does not bother me/does your conscience bother you (tell the truth)" was meant to convey.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:42 (yesterday) link

I think he’s questioning whether the average citizen should feel guilty about the behavior of their elected representatives.

o. nate, Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:57 (yesterday) link

Or is it kind of the same idea as Randy Newman's "Rednecks"? Like, you get all righteous about misbehaving politicians, but maybe you secretly harbor similar beliefs? ("Tell the truth")

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:19 (yesterday) link

You can't read too hard into these lyrics, folks.

https://i.imgur.com/wvB32jh.jpeg

pplains, Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:40 (yesterday) link

Or is it kind of the same idea as Randy Newman's "Rednecks"? Like, you get all righteous about misbehaving politicians, but maybe you secretly harbor similar beliefs? ("Tell the truth")

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, April 18, 2024 12:19 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

different in that Randy gets to say the n-word cuzza he's such a Smart Guy


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