Let's anticipate Lil Wayne, "The Carter III"

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1579291/20080108/lil_wayne.jhtml

Wayne says he's recorded so many songs for the album besides "Showtime" that he's not sure which ones will make the cut. Just about every hip-hop producer you can name contributed to Tha Carter III, including Timbaland, David Banner, Jay Bezel from the Diplomat camp, T-Mix, Mannie Fresh, Cool & Dre, Just Blaze and even Wayne himself.

"Me and my homeboy Diesel, we got a Kanye West track and added some drums to it," he said. "I don't know what songs [the record company] picked. I just know the intros and the single."

Doesn't instill a lot of confidence in me that the heralded #1 MC in the game with the most anticipated album of the year doesn't seem to know or care about the sequence or selection of songs on said album, and is just expecting some A&R at Universal to sift through the dozens (hundreds?) of potential songs and assemble the classic he's supposed to put out.

It's either gonna be huge, or a ginormous dud. I wonder if Weezy even cares what happens; my guess is no.

Lil Wayne - The Carter III

1. "Weezy (Interlude)"
2. "Still Can't Stop the Reign"
3. "D.I.V.A. Radio (Interlude)"
4. "It Was All a Dream" feat. Jay-Z and Young Jeezy
5. "No Love Lost" feat. Juelz Santana
6. "Strait Playin'" feat. DJ Quik
7. "Best to Worst"
8. "Legal Money" feat. Curren$y and DJ Khaled
9. "Edge of Night" feat. Bobby Brown
10. "S.H.E. (Interlude)"
11. "Let's Wait a While"
12. "Can I Play Gunz" feat. Birdman and Rick Ross
13. "Just Be Good to Me" feat. Kanye West
14. "More to Life" feat. Justin Timberlake
15. "Big Dog Stomp" feat. T.I. and Fat Joe
16. "Game of Death"
17. "Outtro (Interlude)" feat. Young Money
18. "Player" feat. Birdman
19. "Don't Wanna Be Alone"

where'd you find that?

I'm not convinced that's any more legit than the 20 tracklists leaked last year. It doesn't even have the single he just shot a video for. But then, this might as well be the rolling Carter III tracklist speculation thread.

the sad thing is that i wouldn't be surprised if that's a fake/spoof tracklist

"Can I Play Gunz" feat. Birdman

^^^ this title is just funny enough to be real

it'll either be popular, or not.

on that mtv clip he said he doesn't even get to decide what songs make the album that's "someone else's job"....

after all that crowing about being president of Cash Money, he doesn't have that much control? now i understand why guys like Jay-Z and Kanye these days only record 15 songs for an album and use 13 of them, it's probably the only way to control what's actually on it.

please let ethan have made all those up

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yeah it was hard to tell, he was acting like a weirdo during the whole clip, it more seemed like he didn't care, like "someone else's job" like it's someone else's job to get his laundry done or drive him to the airport.

seems like a weird attitude for an album that's supposed to be a classic

yeah, that's what i'm saying!

Lil Wayne was named president of Cash Money Records and CEO of Young Money Entertainment, giving the rapper full creative control over all releases under the two labels.

Later in 2007, Lil Wayne decided to release himself from being president, giving Baby and Slim back the position so that he can focus further on his music, especially Tha Carter III.

so...he's all about full creative control...and focusing on the album...but he doesn't give a shit what songs are on the album...

lol j0hn http://www.amazon.com/Cant-Stop-Reign-Shaquille-ONeal/dp/B000001Y2X

haha

hahaha

ethan ftw

i love that there's a shaq "best of.."

omg at someone falling for another ethan fake tracklist

30% of the songs on the circulated leak tape were good

this is going to be really great. i'm not saying that just cuz im a wayne stan but all this out there shit that he does isnt going to make it on his albums. there's a reason why t-pain shit and shitty slow verses end uo on dj khaled remixes. the songs on the digital ep are pretty straight forward and great

btw this shit if classic already if the song that name drops juntao from rush hour makes it on the album

the cover leaked

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Wy98k6pnZAzo1M:http://swarthoutfamily.org/Gladys/Gallery/svelte.jpg

how is this not photoshopped to zing me

http://www.vitaklenz.com/shop/images/Svelte1.jpg

why does a gis for svelte turn up so much vadge?

'svelte' is really approaching failed Dom meme status.

he'll respond soon as he can figure out what BIG SARG should be driving

aka the weendriver

"get svelte, look svelte" is a snap anthem in waiting

to the tune of Fix Up Look Sharp

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Lil Wayne is a tease. Even though he's spent the past couple of years flooding the market with mixtapes, he hasn't released a proper solo album since Tha Carter 2 in 2005. Tha Carter 3, his long-awaited follow-up, should've arrived months ago, but Wayne keeps pushing it back. He says he's keeping demand up by making us wait, while message-board gadflies speculate that he just isn't cut out to make a classic full-length album. Late in 2007, he said that he'd end the year with a compilation album called The Leak, clearing away all the best tracks that have trickled past the lax security at Cash Money's offices in preparation for the real thing. But The Leak never came; instead, we got a new solo album from Birdman, Wayne's shitty half-rapping father figure. And then, on Christmas, a new Lil Wayne EP hit online stores like iTunes and Amazon with zero fanfare, without even Wayne's face on the cover. The Leak EP is a meager offering: five songs, ranging in quality from absolute bangers to intriguing sketches, which tell us little about how The Carter 3 might eventually sound.

One of the common critical complaints against Wayne is that he can rap but that he doesn't know how to make songs. His weeded-out free-associative signature doesn't need to conform to old ideas about song structure to do its work; on last year's double-mixtape bonanza Da Drought 3, he mostly just followed his muse over every half-decent recent beat he could find, letting the overblown boasts and batshit similes flow freely. He'd sacrifice none of his demonic magnetism if he just kept rapping at that level forever. But by the end of the year, he appeared to be losing steam; on the November mixtape The Drought Is Over, he busied himself playing around obnoxiously with T-Pain's autotuner effects, and the actual rapping was, by Wayne's high standards, exhausted and uninspired. So it's oddly reassuring to hear Wayne deign to finish a few actual songs, complete with verses and choruses and intros and everything. And even if every song on The Leak finds Wayne sticking to his usual talking points, finding even more clever and circuitous ways to let us know how fly he is, his voice has more urgency and determination than he's shown in recent months. And even at his laziest, he's still riveting.

But first the great. Opener "I'm Me" starts with tinkling ominous piano and stray vocal samples from past Wayne hits ("Go DJ", "Fireman"). And when the titanically jittery drums kick in, the string of possessed one-liners that follows puts the song in the same league as those older ones. Some are perfectly succinct and elegantly constructed: "I know the game is crazy, it's more crazy than it's ever been/ I'm married to that crazy bitch, call me Kevin Federline." Some are borderline nonsensical: "I'm a monster, I tell you, monster Wayne/ I have just swallowed the key to the house of pain." But throughout, there's a strident sense of purpose in his gurgling croak of a voice, like he finally has something at stake. And the third track, "Gossip", brings that purpose into focus. The first time anyone heard it was when he did a fiery rendition of it at the BET Hip Hop Awards a few months ago, and it's rumored to be the response to 50 Cent's recent string of underhanded jabs against Wayne. Over the track's huge, epic chopped-up soul and heart-monitor beeps, Wayne sounds genuinely heated: "Stop analyzing, criticizing/ You should realize what I am and start epitomizing."

The next three tracks never bring back that sense of breathless urgency, but all of them would've made for perfectly acceptable album-tracks on Tha Carter 2. "Kush" is a happy, stoned little dip into Wayne's immense supply of weed-based punchlines. "Love Me or Hate Me" starts Wayne breathing his nonsense over epic swelling strings, no drums in sight. When it kicks in, he brings a guttural sung chorus that works as a distant cousin to his immortal hook on Playaz Circle's "Duffle Bag Boy", but his boasts never cohere into anything concrete. And on "Talkin' About It", he brings an evilly assured singsong flow over a heavy organic bounce track. But those last three tracks are just practice. Or maybe they're victory laps after the apocalyptic openers. Either way, The Leak is an encouraging sign that Wayne's managed to keep himself sharp even after all the material he's already churned out in recent months. Now it's time for him to make good on its promise.
-Tom Breihan, January 17, 2008

i have to imagine that this starts out with "lil wayne is a tease" with a wink to him and baby's homoeroticism. maybe not. anyway tom's a good writer but he fucked up the timeline here, and his contention that "thank god this ep is good because the tapes wayne has put out the lately have been shit" is bogus because i think all these songs except "gossip" basically leaked this summer. plus "kush" is the best song on the whole thing

no jordan sargeo on that opening

Lil' Wayne is a tease. After the departure of B.G., Juvenile, Turk, and producer Mannie Fresh, the Cash Money CEO has probably spent a lot of times on his knees in thanks that Weezy is still around. Wayne is still a Hot Boy, albeit one who likes to get his grown man on. He's eager to prove he's far from a little squirt, and he likes to rub it in constantly. Weezy's been beating off the competition for so long now it's understandable if he's feeling a little testy. A rapper with this much spunk coming out his mouth doesn't need to spend any more time boning up on his skills.

But sometimes his spunk dominates "Like Father Like Son" so much it seems Birdman gets the shaft. Fortunately Stunna still has a little thug in him, and he knows when to just sit back and let Weezy do his thing. As president of Cash Money, Baby has been feeling Wayne for years now, and while his previous albums are hardcore classics, he really blows himself away on this one.

In the words of Bay Area hip-hop critic Oliver Wang, new-school Lil' Wayne "sounds more confident as an MC and wields a genuinely impressive array of different styles". It's obvious Weezy is feeling Wang on this, as he bounces from naked emotion to popping shots in the span of a single track. He never lets you forget he's sitting on 20 inches, but when the lyrical rim jobs wear out he's ready to lay himself bare on an emotional tribute of "Like Father, Like Son". Weezy is a man who will bend over backwards for a hot line, and fleshes out his long arcs with violent thrusts of short diction, while never leaning on rhyming words that merely resemble each other - there's no homophones.

The New Orleans hustler brings it uncut on "Over Here Hustlin", proving he knows how to handle the white stuff. But these two aren't just about pumping crack - rhymes like "call my bullets some lumps, I put 'em deep in ya neck" would be a mouthful for anyone. Stunna goes even harder on "Leather So Soft", while "Army Gunz" illustrates this pair still knows how to cock and squeeze. And on "All About That" the self-described "Fireman" continues to bring the flames over imitation Just Blaze production, proving Birdman and Wayne know how to handle spitting on organs. My only complaint is that the pair blow their load early on, and the second half of the album goes down in the process. But don't worry, there's still enough hotness here to make sure you keep coming back for more.

was gonna say

CLASSIQUE ETHAN

although in his defense i guess it's impossible to write about lil wayne nowadays and not use at least 7-8 phrases that should be followed by no homo

dude named an album the leak

trickled past the lax security at Cash Money

w/e

btw we got called "gadflies" ;_;

Is lil wayne gay?



NO LIL WAYNE IS NOY GAY STRAIGHT UP BIRDMAN LYKE HIS DADDY AND DAT WAZ A MAFIA KISS. DATZ IT NICCA YA HEARD ME? PLUS LIL WAYNE TOO SEXII TO BE GAY!

otm?

u think wayne aain't gonna merkya e like byron says he raps meta n u don't think he's a real jihad? the theatre is in his XD......... JK he would lump u up like the police in off top forensics i spent time in a squat with him breaking up iron and blowing up industrial glass bulbs in the moment u think its cool but then u think what would ur mom say u baby
it was weird dude and u just ignore strange people like that cuz theyre crazy, they poison society, and the following these monsters breeds makes the youth think they can flow like minstrel shows without even writing BUT TO DO THAT U HAVE TO HAVE AN IRON SOUL OR THELL SMACK U UP

gotta go my girls going away l8rz

WHY IS EVERYBODY TRIPPING MORE RAPPERS NEED TO BRING PEACE LIKE LIL WAYNE LIL WAYNE IS A CULTURAL JURIST AND SHALL SIT AMONG SUFIS AND AFRICAN GRANDMOTHERS WITH 9 BABIES WITH AIDS PAY ATTENTION TO SOMETHING IMPORTANT ETHAN U GOT IT WRONG

U ALWAYS KNOW: HE IS REAL HE IS PRO GUN CONTROL.

never ban^

Oh shit.

U ALWAYS KNOW: HE IS REAL HE IS PRO GUN CONTROL

whoever made the Ornaldo Bloomps for president poster needs to take this one on....

i was hoping we would get crazy googlers in this thread!!!

unless that's luriqua in which case WELCOME BACK WELCOME BACK WELCOME BAAAAAAAAAAACK

i remember when i first heard "welcome back" on the radio, it was so nice to have ma$e back, i welcomed him

dick road

dick road

― funky house truther (J0rdan S.), Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:00 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

passantino, to the gifmobile!

fwiw As a soon-to-be-inner-city-teaching dude who enjoys the music of one Weezy F. Baby this was disappointingly short on tips re: surviving your first year teaching via Lil Wayne.

I don't think that was necessarily the meaning of the subtitle though. I definitely understand deej's point about the disquieting anthropological tone of the piece.

The writer was saying that the music of this New Orleans rapper Dwayne Carter, whose unique qualities he came to appreciate over the course of a year teaching in NO, became a point of connection between him and his students. He thinks (rightly or not) that he understands what these kids are connecting to in Weezy's music: the torn feelings about discussing Katrina, the essential New Orleansness (He shrugged his shoulders beatifically and said "It's New Orleans!") that his music captures, the quicksilver style changes that reflect the city settling back into its own skin. He came to understand New Orleans and his students through their connections to the music.

Oxford American isn't VIBE, and he's not writing about Weezy. He's writing about the city and its inhabitants and how he came to understand them.

^cosign

I think it's safe to say that wherever you're teaching your students will love weezy. he's like the 2008 innner city high school equivalent of the beatles...or morrissey in mexico...so you're one step ahead of this dude already cuz you post on ilm which means you love weezy too

its 'dick rode', with a space

― Patrick Leahy, (D)-VT (deej), Saturday, 13 September 2008 22:59 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Maybe. As in the past tense of to do a "rollout" is "rolled out" rather than "rolledout"

my friend teaches high school in brooklyn and he told me just the other day that one kid just started reciting and singing word for word "mr. carter" in the middle of class and all the kids laughed a lot

dom otm

When a classmate complained about some bullshit policy last semester one of the TAs said "I am just a player in this game you see, so go blame the referee don't complain to me"

XD

my friend teaches high school in brooklyn and he told me just the other day that one kid just started reciting and singing word for word "mr. carter" in the middle of class and all the kids laughed a lot

― Surfboard Pre (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

great fuckin story kid

um whoa that ta knows their shit

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thanks beej!

have u considered writing a review of the carter iii using that anecdote?

but to argue that hes actually explaining what it is about wayne's music that makes it so singular would be what i consider 'insightful' or would qualify as beyond what basically every other rag has done when writing about dude's music

this isn't music criticism about wayne, or music criticism at all. he says up front he was only sort of superficially a fan at the start of the year. sure it's anthropological, or amateur-anthropological, but i think he consciously doesn't overreach in trying to pretend that he knows things he doesn't or grasps things at a level he can't possibly given his position.

mostly he's just saying, here's where i am, here's what i see. you can find his observations banal or obvious i guess, but i think that's always easy to say after you read something like this -- "well, that's what i woulda thought."

also i'm not even a big fan of carter iii, and i agree that the musical observations scattered through the thing are pretty much rote wayne-ology. what i like is the way the music acts in this setting, how it reverberates for the kids and the teacher, and the kind of intangible force it provides as a counterbalance to a lot of more tangible and grimmer things. it is not the greatest thing i've ever read about how music functions in culture, but i think it's a good and honest shot at it, and not many people even really try to write about that.

no im not the type who would teach inner city high school let alone reflect upon the cultural and social differences using rap music as a comparative device shit was lame as fuck. posting on ilm is way more fun

Xposst!

i agree with that post xp

his observations banal or obvious

yeah that part

Oxford American isn't VIBE, and he's not writing about Weezy. He's writing about the city and its inhabitants and how he came to understand them.

― HOOS clique iphones fool get ya steen on (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:07 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark

tipsy's last post is basically what i really like about the piece. I like how, despite it being very well-written, I don't get the feeling that the writer is trying to narrow down what the music means to his version of it. There's a certain humility to it, and I think that's what underlies the (yes, still pretentious) snapshot/numbering - the idea being that these different parts don't necessarily add up to a whole.

BTW probably a bad strategic move to ride my dick when it comes to hip hop

So I know this isn't news or anything, but I'm way behind on this shit. Not so far behind that I haven't realised that this is brilliant. It just took me a while is all.

Also, I wish every song on the radio right now sounded like Comfortable.

"Shawty say i lo lo lo lo look like a lollipop" - Lil Wayne" - real facebook group!!!

yeah I only heard this album about a month or so ago. it's terrific.

okayyyyy...i stand corrected, apparently "shawty say i lo lo lo lo look like a lollipop" is how it goes on the clean version. i was wondering why i kept changing my mind about how that line went, depending on where i had heard it last.

anyone hear the new empire mixtape?

basically every year end blurb about this is like "yeah it's not perfect - in fact it's really inconsistent, but that makes us love it more! what an awesome look into the crazy drug alien lil wayne! he is so interesting that he can't even make a good front to back album!"

rock critics on some bullshit shocker

the gq profile of him is pretty good tho

i'm not sure i can bear to read another lil wayne profile but link?

it's the only feature from their last issue not online so you're just gonna have to take my word for it

y'know i think i can do that

ww the lies i posted on this thread, typical republican

i swaer to god i might flip out of i hear Miss Officer once. and how was this a 'bonus' track and now it's a single? i'm goin bongos over this

If you hear it once? How do you know that you hate it so much if you haven't heard it yet?

i meant one more time. good lord the early am is not kind to my fingers and brain.

it wasn't a bonus track in the traditional 'this is just a little extra addition to the real album' sense so much as in the 'this album was being tinkered with so much up until the last minute that the back cover tracklisting is missing some songs and we had to reprint it as an insert'

ahh that makes a lot more sense then.

Plus, you know, they're going to be milking as much Weezy stuff as they can for the next year.

i'll be looking forward to his reimagination of the Reading Rainbow theme by year's end...

i will be disappointed if he doesn't do anything with "pants on the ground"

loOOkin like a FOOOOOoooOOOOOl

Plus, you know, they're going to be milking as much Weezy stuff as they can for the next year.

― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:06 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

we're talking about the "Mrs. Officer" that peaked on the charts 18 months ago right?

yeah what the fuck is this revive even about

heard hes making a follow up to 500 degreez thats meant to b good

my friend teaches high school in brooklyn and he told me just the other day that one kid just started reciting and singing word for word "mr. carter" in the middle of class and all the kids laughed a lot

― Surfboard Pre (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

great fuckin story kid

― Patrick Leahy, (D)-VT (deej), Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:18 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark

lol

So C3 is still great, eh.

just "a milli", "let the beat build" and "ain't got nuthin"

and "lollipop"

i'll say that it was pretty much the last listenable full thing he ever did

carter 3 sessions really are so much better tho -- production palate on that was way more in line w/ what i think his persona is/should've been then

basically every year end blurb about this is like "yeah it's not perfect - in fact it's really inconsistent, but that makes us love it more! what an awesome look into the crazy drug alien lil wayne! he is so interesting that he can't even make a good front to back album!"

this still rings true to me tho

surfboards pretty much otm

Oh yeah, The Carter 3 Sessions is incredible... "What He Does" "Something You Forgot" "La La La" fucking "WORLD OF FANTASY" (even though it got turned into "Playing With Fire," but "WOF" is still better, imo).

my niece was 4 when she felt chinchallops

― J0rdan S., Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:41 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark

^^lol'd at myself

When a classmate complained about some bullshit policy last semester one of the TAs said "I am just a player in this game you see, so go blame the referee don't complain to me"

XD

― HOOS clique iphones fool get ya steen on (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:16 PM bookmarkflaglink