Shirley Collins. Classic. Dud is not an option here, I'm afraid.

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I remember when I would buy old vinyl rekords on thee Harcvest label eg Edgar Broughton Band "Inside Out", Third Ear Band "Macbeth" soundtrack (I R Simon House completist) Sundry Pink Floyd, Bakerloo" etc etc. You would get a GRATE printed inner bag w/pics ov various "Harvest" label releases. Thee k-weird shit on some of these albums (esp. 3rd ear-ies who I LUV more each passing year) would make one want to get all of it. Sad to say a whole bunch if it was boring cobblers by ex-members ov deep purple, and this dissapointing I digress. On thiz inner bag, tho' one wd find pics of 2 albums by Shirley and Dolly Collins WTF was all that about, I wd wonder. Eventually I got this compilation on Decca (I forget thee title) And fuck me if this wasn't the best music I think i've ever ever heard even to date. Let us get one thing out ov the way - Ms Collins is a FOLKSINGER, w/95% ov her musick being "trad. arr", which = not that which will make u hip, oh no (tho' obv I do not care 'cuz I like folk musick so fur q.). BUT she is NO ORDINARY SINGER. Her interpretations, as well as her choice ov material is such that esp when put alongside her sister Dolly's genius early music instrument arrangements this is musick that makes the directest line to yer subconcious mind. It fux!ng gets u there. Many is the time i've completely zoned out whilst listening to eg "The Murder of Maria Marten", & have entered some other space entirely - it's like "mythago wood" or suchlike. I think she is an artist rather like Delius, in that when U hear her if u don't like her, u prob never will, but if U do, i envy u b/c u will discover some of the most haunting/beautiful/otherworldly music ever made. There is an interview in the latest "Wire" if yer interested. My pix0rz are

1/ "Anthems in Eden" - Folk song suite recorded w/early music consort - arranged by Dolly collins for krumhorn, rackett etc. Based on theme of rural england before & after 1924-1918 war

2/ "No Roses" - Folk Rock album a la Fairport Convention "Leige & Leif", but actually superior IMO. Standout track = "The Murder of Maria Marten" - murder ballad clevery arranged by Ashley Hutchings w/alternating folkrock/trad drone folk sections. Possibly yer k-rad's favouritest track ever.

After that, "The Power of the True Love Knot" and "Love, Death and the Lady" are great, though the latter is not Xactly brimming w/larfs. generally, Ms Collins picked the most hardass songs from the eng. folk repertoire - crime/transportation, murder, death etc, & it all is in great contrast to heritage britland i think. What d'you think, if U give a shiz 'n' all that?

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Norman Phay, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Totally classic. I,ve only heard "Love, Death and the Lady", which as it's yer 3rd pick sure makes me curious to hear some of that other stuff. But from that listening I'd have to agree with "Ms Collins picked the most hardass songs from the eng. folk repertoire" - tho I think "Love, Death and the Lady" is rec'd as the Collins Sisters? The liner notes to cd version talk about how she/they rec'd it just after Shirley's(?) divorce and it's just harrowing. Ms Collins as the Charley Patton of Eng. folk too obvious to suggest? Prayer of Death. Pts 1,2 alongside this stuff on *the* mix tape of high lonesome?

dylan, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

No Roses was my first. A friend described her voice as sounding like it was being sucked down a drain. Absolute stone classic.

briania, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

R. Carmody to thread. Prepare your horse and trap, sir!

Dr. C, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe the most haunting voice ever. Classic Classic Classic.

Alex in SF, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
Anyone know if the long-muttered-about Shirley Collins box set is still in the works?

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 2 January 2003 04:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, I adore everything I've heard from Shirley and her sister Dolly, although the first two records (False True Lovers and Sweet England) are a few cuts below the later work. Does anyone else really favor the last one, For As Many As Will?

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 2 January 2003 05:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Sweet Primeroses is my favourite of her albums. As there are obviously a few fans out there, perhaps someone can tell me, did she record a version of the folk song 'Lord Gregory' and if so what album is it on and is it good? I mean, it's a great song and I'd love to hear her do it.

I've never heard For as Many As Will. I remember seeing it when I worked in a record shop years ago; no-one bought it or played it much, and because I was a teenage idiot I never even bothered to check it - or any of her other stuff - out myself. I was totally wrong and foolish and am making up for it now. I think there are some musicians that you can't really appreciate until certain things have happened to you, and she is one of those. For me, anyways.

msphinx, Thursday, 2 January 2003 16:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The box is apparently out now (though I haven't heard it yet).

http://www.thebeesknees.com/bk-sc-box-set.htm

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 2 January 2003 17:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the link, Douglas. I'll see if perhaps Twisted Village will be carrying it.

Incidentally, Shirley now has her own web site.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 2 January 2003 17:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Re. the picture on Shirley's home page: rrrrrowr.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 2 January 2003 17:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, and should I get that Young Tradition CD that is a collaboration with Shirley and Dolly, The Holly Bears the Crown? I like Christmas quite a bit, and of course I like the Collins sisters, but I know nothing of the Young Tradition.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 2 January 2003 17:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I am going to singlehandedly carry on this thread, such is my passion for Shirley and Dolly Collins.

I don't know what may have primed me for Shirley Collins, perhaps some slight study into Child ballads and a lifelong affection for Jean Ritchie--whose two volumes of British Traditional Ballads in the Southern Mountains (on Folkways, sadly out of print) are extraordinary. Unaccompanied ballad singing so perhaps an acquired taste. I would also recommend Harry Cox and Texas Gladden *and* it's useful to pay attention to the folk motifs in RV Williams and Britten (Williams and Cox and Gladden are some of Shirley's heroes). Ii think these artists are more proximate to Shirley's aesthetic as any of the britfolk artists who are routinely namechecked here.

For As Many As Will is the last album the Collins sisters recorded. I think Shirley had actually announced her retirement prior to making the album, but something (temporarily) postponed that decision. I recognize that Anthems in Eden and The Power of the True Love Knot may be more important albums, but I treasure this one perhaps above the others for reasons I couldn't begin to explain. This is the only album on which Shirley sings a contemporary song, "Never Again" by R. Thompson. But that's not necessarily a highlight. "The Blacksmith Courted Me" and "The Moon Shines Bright" are remarkable, I like the unabashed "recital" quality of Shirley's singing here. "Gilderoy" is I think one of the sisters' major achievements.

I found the article in the Wire fascinating to learn of Shirley's roots in the CP's people's song movement, I could have guessed I suppose.

msphinx: Shirley's version of "Lord Gregory" is on Folk Roots, New Routes.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 09:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Did I say Jean Ritchie's LPs of Child ballads were unaccompanied. Feh. She accompanies herself on the autoharp most tracks. There is great overlap b/t these records and Shirley's repertoire. Also you can order CDR copies from Folkways. FA 2301 and FA 2302.

Then there is the Folkways LP of nothing but versions of The Unfortunate Rake/The Streets of Laredo/One Morning in May/When I was a Cowboy. You really don't need to hear folklorists sing, but the liner notes are ace.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 09:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Amateurist: just out of curiosity, where do you you hail from?

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 09:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

amateurist - I really rate "for as many as will" as well. this isn't saying much, b/c i haven't heard anything i don't really, really like by thee collins sisters. it doesn't seem to be as well-recorded as the others I have, but that could be the cd transfer. i sometimes get the impression that it was done from vinyl rather than master tapes. anyway, the best track on it i think is the beggars opera medley, not least because you hear dolly singing, which i don't think is something you can hear anywhere else. dolly's singing isn't as "good" as shirley's, but it has this beautiful pure, "real" quality that's almost too much. "o polly, you might have toy'd and kis't". i wish there was an album of dolly singing, but it might be too much to take. dolly's arrangements are this constant source of marvel to me as well - i really don't think there's been anyone better than her. does anyone know if "power of the true love knot" has been reissued on CD? also, i have thee obituary for dolly c from the guardian, where it mentions s.th about a folk opera based on sea shanties she wrote before she died? man, that's something i really want to hear - i wonder if it'll get recorded. That cd box set is so#mething i'm going to have to get asap i think.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

amateurist - I really rate "for as many as will" as well. this isn't saying much, b/c i haven't heard anything i don't really, really like by thee collins sisters. it doesn't seem to be as well-recorded as the others I have, but that could be the cd transfer. i sometimes get the impression that it was done from vinyl rather than master tapes. anyway, the best track on it i think is the beggars opera medley, not least because you hear dolly singing, which i don't think is something you can hear anywhere else. dolly's singing isn't as "good" as shirley's, but it has this beautiful pure, "real" quality that's almost too much. "o polly, you might have toy'd and kis't". i wish there was an album of dolly singing, but it might be too much to take. dolly's arrangements are this constant source of marvel to me as well - i really don't think there's been anyone better than her. does anyone know if "power of the true love knot" has been reissued on CD? also, i have thee obituary for dolly c from the guardian, where it mentions s.th about a folk opera based on sea shanties she wrote before she died? man, that's something i really want to hear - i wonder if it'll get recorded. That cd box set is so#mething i'm going to have to get asap i think.

pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Power of the True Love Knot has been issued on CD by Fledg'ling. As far as I can tell all of Shirley's LPs have now appeared on CD, although there are odds and ends (EPs, anthology appearances) which remain hard to find. An enterprising DJ at WFMU burned a few of these EPs onto a CD not long ago. Some rarities are on the box set, beware though that about three-quarters of it is available elsewhere.

Dolly's sea shanties project, "We Have Fed Our Seas," was a collaboration with Peter Bellamy of the Young Tradition. It hasn't been recorded yet to my knowledge. An earlier collaboration, "The Transports," is available on CD but I haven't heard it. I agree that Dolly's voice is charming; there's something ecstatic about the moment when Shirley takes over, their voices seem in such close accord.

One more thing: Anyone interested in Shirley and Dolly's music should try out the Voice of the People series on Topic Records. This was the major field recording/compiling projects of the English folk revival and made available something close to the full spectrum of folk music from the British Isles--somewhat akin to Alan Lomax's Southern Journey project. All of VotP has been reissued on CD. A wonderful English web site called Musical Traditions features very informed (you might say partisan) reviews of this sort of thing. They have a part of their site devoted to VotP with lots of information.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 18:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(Mary: I'm from Chicago)

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 18:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

My gosh, someone is selling Shirley's first LP (on Folkways) on eBay for a starting bid of $600. Will there be any takers?

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
OK a condensed version of Jean Ritchie's two LPs of Child Ballads for Folkways is now available on CD. I cannot recommend this more highly for most anyone, but especially anyone who likes Shirley and Dolly Collins' music.

Shirley is I think my favorite singer and performer of all time. A better scholar than I should really take up the task of assessing her life's work. One fascinating thing about it is the way she combines an intense respect for and understanding of sundry traditional styles (ballad singing, "early music," art song) but combines these styles in such a way that is absolutely sui generis. It is a very selfconscious appropriation and mixture of different aspects of British musical heritage, but it works beautifully through the force of Shirley's taste and talent and that of her collaborators -- foremost among them Dolly Collins, but also including David Munrow (R.I.P.) and the London Early Music Consort, whose own records (there are many) are worth seeking out (=gross understatement).

I might have mentioned this above but one of Dolly's common arrangement techniques--setting a rich polyharmonic arrangment in counterpoint to an almost perversely uninflected ballad reading by Shirley--reminds me of some of Britten's folksong settings, including my favorite, "O Waly, Waly," where the piano part is basically continually unfolding variations on being several beats behind the very foursquare vocal line, resolving into a standard meter only after the singer has finished. it's devastating (i hope I described it OK, obviously it's not technically correct as I am musically illiterate but perhaps it conveys some sense of the music).

i always picture shirley standing stock-still, hands folded into one another, as if in a formal recital, framed against a wall with a rich cover of green vines, undulating in continually shifting patterns of shadow and reflected light. like shirley is maintaining a sort of tableau-like rigidity and dignity amidst an effusion of intense emotion. it's like all this history and heartbreak and tragedy (personal and political and both at once) is suggested but cannot quite be contained by the strictures of a great tradition.

ok i need to go to bed now.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 10 July 2003 06:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I mean Shirley set out to redeem traditonal ballads from the preciousness and feyness of contemporary (1950s) modes of interpretation and in some ways the route she chose to do so was as radical (if not moreso) as the nearly-contemporaneous experiments of Bob Dylan (who also wished to tap into the power of the traditional music of his country without fallying prey to some of the same traps*). They both excite me for similar reasons, I think.

*for a good example--and I do actually mean "good" as in worth hearing--of the sort of folksong presentation both were running from, see the records of Richard Dyer-Bennett.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 10 July 2003 06:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I find her voice quite irritating.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 10 July 2003 11:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Piss off, you dreary little pedant.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 10 July 2003 11:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

...Oscar Wilde lives and breathes

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 10 July 2003 11:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What's the best starting point for a S+ D Collins virgin? Tell me one recd to get and I'll get it.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 10 July 2003 11:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

either the albion country band's "no roses", which is really good folk-rock, i think as good as "liege & lief" (ymmv) or "anthems in eden" which is the collins sisters' folk song suite, arranged for early music instruments. Possibly try to hear one of her records first, b/c i think she's the sort of artist you'll either like or dislike straightaway.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 10 July 2003 12:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i think she's the sort of artist you'll either like or dislike straightaway.

One hates to be dreary and pedantic about these things but I neither liked nor disliked Shirley Collins straightaway. As it is, I love her albums but I find it difficult to listen to her voice over an entire album - I think it's the fact that she sings slightly out of tune all the time.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 10 July 2003 13:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i'll be the first to admit that her voice is an acquired taste! as is dylan's!

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 10 July 2003 13:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Does anyone happen to have the Love, Death and the Lady CD with bonus tracks? I think it came out on EMI. I have the previous BGO reissue. If you have the newer CD might I trade a copy for a copy of any of her other LPs--I believe I have all the others, save for the box set.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 11 July 2003 18:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I have that one amateurist, mail me, and i'll do a copy of the extra tracks.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 11 July 2003 22:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
sorry i never mailed you!

i think i've come around to thinking that the first side of "anthems in eden" is her best work overall. though there are things on "power of the true love knot," "adieu to old england" (this is the one that no one ever seems to mention), and "for as many as will" (and several others, though not the first two 59/60 lps) that are magnificent.

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Love, Death & the Lady is my fave.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

A heads-up on Shirl's new book that's just been published...

A heart-rending emotional journey into the cultural roots of traditional American Music with legendary archivist Alan Lomax. Highly respected English folk singer Shirley Collins describes her year long stint as Lomax's assistant and their diligent work uncovering the traditional music of America's heartland. They covered Virginia, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and Georgia - along the way encountering Mississippi Fred McDowell, Muddy Waters and many others.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 07:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

wow! well, i'm buying that then. still haven't managed to send shirley a mash note but i'm not sure how.

i wish she'd write about her own music and her relationship to traditional english music and its various revivals. that interests me as much if not more (if only because the america stuff has been covered so well by so many).

ok i have a noisy cat begging for my attention...be back later.

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

btw the title of her book comes from something an american woman (in appalachia i believe) asked of shirley: "you come from england? england over the water?"

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've sort of met Shirley a couple of times through a mutual friend, and I got the impression that she's such a quiet and shy and, above all, modest person that I didn't feel like she even wanted to talk about her own music, much less write about it. Mind you, I didn't really want to bother her with all that, so I could be wrong...

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Shirley has a voice that's both powerful and innocent.
I have 'Folk Routes..' and 'No Roses' and love them both.
For some fathomless reason 'No Roses' only gets 3 stars on amg, when as amateurist says it's possibly beter than 'Leige and Leif'.
I know Shirley's not on it, but would anyone on this thread recommend 'Rise up like the sun' to me, because obv. if it even approaches the goodness of 'Roses' I'd like to own it.

de, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"No Roses" is genius. "Rise Up Like the Sun" is the best folk rock album released after 1973. There is one crap Morris dancing tune on it but the rest of it is brilliant: "Poor Old Horse", "Ampleforth/ Lay Me Low" (which is almost as good as "Meet On the Ledge"), "The Gresford Disaster".

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ah thank you. Btw I own 'Morris On', and I love it, so I might like that crap tune.....
(How I've managed to resist buying 'Son of Morris On' and 'Grandson of Morris On' thus far I'm not sure....a Neitzchan control of my will prob.)

de, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have "Morris On" and "Son of Morris On"! Still think that "Rise Up Like the Sun" could do without the Morris tune.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Now I trust your judgement fully :-)

de, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

uh-oh.

"dada is correct abt "rise up like the sun". "poor old horse" is probably worth the price of the album on its own.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Martin Carthy did a really good version of "Poor Old Horse" on one of his albums too

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"as amateurist says it's possibly beter than 'Leige and Leif'."

did i say that? i dunno.

i don't like shirley with drums really. i don't like "amaranth" much, largely because of the echoey production.

i like shirley with dolly's arrangements, basically.

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ha, it was me, right at the top, who said that "no roses" is superior to "liege and lief" and even though i think "liege & lief" is one of the best rekkids EVER, I like "no roses" better.

Amaranth is probably the worst (read least great) shirley collins music I have. I like the folk-rock arrangements on "no roses" tons, but I think it's probably enough of shirley w/that type of sound. Have you got the "etchingham steam band" cd amateurist? That's kind of...interesting, but not great.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sorry dudes

de, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
has anyone read her book? I keep meaning to buy it.

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
still haven't bought it.

you know i'm sort of suspicious of english folk-rock (i've really lost the taste for fairport/sandy denny/et al) in part because it's admirers don't seem to be critical at all; i've hardly read a bad review of a british folk-rock album. it doesn't seem like a world that encourages really serious musical experimentation, as opposed to kitschy "ambitious" stabs (like peter bellamy's "transports," arr. dolly collins, which i'm really NOT getting into).

all this to say that "no roses" sounds like a failure to me, in fact it almost pains me to listen to. but damned if i can find a single negative review of it.

i really don't think shirley has the audience she deserves.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 21:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Hi amateurist.

Have you read the (rather lengthy) interview she did Johan @ perfect sound forever? real interesting read. i want to hear more of her albums. we had a copy of anthems in eden at the store and it was great. the only one i own is power of the true love knot. greaaat stuff. i wanna read her book, also.

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Thursday, 27 April 2006 00:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

so excited to see her at this: https://safeasmilkfestival.com/sam17

after that i think its just bill fay to tick off my list of 'people i will never see'

jamiesummerz, Friday, 25 November 2016 14:47 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm looking forward to this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/showsandtours/shows/mastertapes_26nov16

Tim, Friday, 25 November 2016 15:11 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

The programmes from the above are out:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088f9zq

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088fg44

It was a real pleasure to see these recorded. I had a question accepted but they ran out of time before my question came round. The good news was that I got an absolute plum seat in the front row as a result AND I didn't have to embarrass myself by asking my dumb question.

Tim, Thursday, 19 January 2017 21:17 (one year ago) Permalink

The question was: "Where do you get your ideas from?"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 January 2017 21:24 (one year ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

http://pitchfork.com/features/5-10-15-20/10020-british-folk-icon-shirley-collins-on-the-music-of-her-life/


The Band: “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down”

Although this song by the Band was released in 1969, I hadn’t heard it then. But once I had, it became a lifelong favorite—it’s so powerful. This was well into my wilderness years and somehow this song and the Band gave me strength and comfort.

At this point I’d got this variety of jobs, from working in the bookshop at the British Museum to becoming public relations person at Cecil Sharp House, which I regretted within a week. I managed an Oxfam [charity] shop for three or four years, and then took a job at the job centre for the next five or six. And then, thank god, I got to be 60 and could retire and take my state pension.

Alan sent me a copy of the wonderful book he’d written, The Land Where the Blues Began, and I got one mention in it. He wrote, “Shirley Collins, the lovely young English singer who was along for the trip.” I won’t say “fuck,” but I was so angry! I thought, No, I’ve got to sort this out, this is disgraceful.

At the same time my mother said to me, “Would you like your letters from America back, Shirley?” She’d kept all the letters I’d written home, so I was able to start writing my own book. I did point out my role and that I deserved a bit more than “being along for the trip,” because it was really hard work and I think he did better with having me there. I had put a fairly harsh ending on the first edition of the book where I mention his quote and said, “We’ll see about that.” And then he died a couple of years later. For the second edition, I just couldn’t keep that line in. I had to make it a requiem about Alan. You can’t deny the man his absolute worth. I was just so cross that first time. It’s what blokes do, though—they just dismiss women’s roles in the work that’s done. I just couldn’t put up with it that time.

nomar, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 09:03 (one year ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

has anyone in London seen the movie? i wanna see it!!

also shirley collins otm
It’s what blokes do, though—they just dismiss women’s roles in the work that’s done. I just couldn’t put up with it that time.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 October 2017 12:38 (one year ago) Permalink

She was involved with Alan Lomax and Ashley Hutchings, which calls into question her taste in men tbh.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 October 2017 15:44 (one year ago) Permalink

would love to see that movie, hopefully it'll be accessible soon in some way!

i like this poster

https://media.vam.ac.uk/media/thira/collection_images/2006BC/2006BC7332_jpg_l.jpg

tylerw, Thursday, 19 October 2017 15:52 (one year ago) Permalink

zip it Tom D! we all make mistakes

alan lomax was an artsy interesting sexist who flattered her and she was 19

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 October 2017 16:45 (one year ago) Permalink

love that poster
it looks a lot like the one i have right down to the huge illustrated shirley face surrounded by smaller illustrations of others

sorry for snapping at you Tom D :(

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 20 October 2017 14:03 (one year ago) Permalink

No worries but I didn't think you had!

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 20 October 2017 15:11 (one year ago) Permalink

anyone got this late 70s Dolly / Shirley live album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpGfQ0EUgWk

out of print / pricey on discogs

tylerw, Friday, 20 October 2017 15:46 (one year ago) Permalink

I DO!!!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 20 October 2017 16:03 (one year ago) Permalink

nm
i thought i had it but turns out i have just looked at that image a bunch because i think i have a file from that album on my computer :(

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 20 October 2017 16:05 (one year ago) Permalink

are some of the tunes from harking back on the within sound box set?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 20 October 2017 16:07 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah i think at least a couple tunes from that set are from harking back ...

tylerw, Friday, 20 October 2017 16:12 (one year ago) Permalink

gah those Fledgling releases are so expensive!

that Harking Back disc was released on Current 93's Durtro label which explains why it's out of print and expensive, don't think any of that stuff has ever been repressed

sleeve, Friday, 20 October 2017 16:17 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah would love to get it — haven't ever tracked down the whole thing.

tylerw, Friday, 20 October 2017 16:19 (one year ago) Permalink

I recently splurged on one of those early 7" EP reissues, it was like ten bucks

sleeve, Friday, 20 October 2017 16:21 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

For a recently digitized 1992 interview with Shirl, scroll down to April 1992 (vol 3 #2) -- http://terrascope.online/Archives/Archives.htm

Also it's a good time to listen to the Cherry Tree Carol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_EU1Tq9qEg

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 22 December 2017 15:43 (ten months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2qFXIvxb-Q

^^^wow i had never heard about this album until i just decided to seek out other Shirley Collins Xmas deep cuts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holly_Bears_the_Crown

omar little, Friday, 22 December 2017 16:21 (ten months ago) Permalink

finally heard a couple of pieces from that on the new "introduction to..." comp topic have put out which i'd picked up for the sweet primeroses tracks (also as i discovered featuring yt!) also <3 the d&s/isb poster up there^

no lime tangier, Friday, 22 December 2017 20:01 (ten months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

having a Lodestar type of morning
she always chooses interesting musicians to work with, it's never boring and always totally shirley <3

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:36 (nine months ago) Permalink

don't know if people saw the news of a new memoir:

We’ll soon be announcing details of Shirley Collins’ long-awaited memoir ‘All in the Downs: Reflections on Life, Landscape and Song’.
In the meantime please do see the wonderful 'The Ballad of Shirley Collins', which is on UK release this month. https://t.co/gSyVE0J5AT pic.twitter.com/aZvPH3GCJi

— Strange Attractor (@strangepress) January 5, 2018

faust apes (NickB), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:43 (nine months ago) Permalink

I did see it!!!

Cannot wait to read

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:46 (nine months ago) Permalink

yeah that'll be great ...
some info

‘The Ballad Of Shirley Collins’ film continues to screen across cinemas in the UK early next year and the film will be free-to stream on the Lush Player in the UK for 20 days only from January 20th 2018.

We will also shortly be announcing the official DVD release. This will come as a deluxe bookback that will feature a range of extras including deleted scenes, audio commentary, behind the scenes footage and an unreleased short film by the filmmakers along with CD of the soundtrack that will include bonus tracks.

Track list
Side A
1. “All I Ever Wanted”
2. Shirley Collins – Cavalry Hill
3. Ishman Williams & The Williams Singers – Got On My Travelling Shoes
4. “Do You Want Me To Start Again, Alan”
5. Texas Gladden – I Never Will Marry
6. Sid Hemphill and Lucius Smith – Come On Boys, Let’s Go To The Ball
7. Horton Barker – A Rich Irish Lady
8. Ian Kearey – The Poor Drowned Sailor
9. Sidney Hemphill Carter – Pharaoh
10. “I Used To Could Sing”
11. Outtake (London, 1959)

Side B
1. “There’s Never Been A Merry England”
2. Andy Hemsley and Hastings Jack In The Green – Seeds Of Love
3. N.J Brothers & The United Sacred Harp Musical Association – Cavalry
4. Lucius Smith – Make Lulu Behave Herself
5. Ruby Vass – Single Girl, Married Girl
6. “I Can’t Really Forget Them”
7. George Stoneman – Sally Anne
8. Michael J York & Ossian Brown – The Cloud House / Cyclobe – Sons Of Sons Of Light / George Collins - Dolly
9. Dolly Collins – Missa Humana (excerpt)
10. Shirley Collins – Wondrous Love

Pre-order link:
https://earthrecordings.bandcamp.com/album/the-ballad-of-shirley-collins

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:56 (nine months ago) Permalink

it's UK-only? :(

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:41 (nine months ago) Permalink

I think they mean the DVD is in PAL format, not that they won't let people in the US buy the DVD/CD set. Easy enough to rip a PAL DVD and watch it on a computer.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:51 (nine months ago) Permalink

i've heard they're working on getting it to the states sometime soon-ish.

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:04 (nine months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

The documentary looks to be streaming on the Lush website: http://player.lush.com/channels/lush/tv/ballad-shirley-collins-film-tim-plester-rob-curry

Not a sentence I ever imagined typing.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

Lush like the beauty products store?

I preordered her book!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

This video is restricted from playing in your current geographic region
:(

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

I am giving a short presentation about Shirley to my music appreciation class tonight. In addition to general excitement at talking about her music with a captive audience, I can't wait to show them the connection between the Lomax recordings and her recordings and listen to the two different versions of "Death and the Lady"

I feel like she is with me! <3

http://www.thebeesknees.com/wp-content/uploads/sc-3080-web.jpg

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Could have got free tickets for her appearance at the British Library but had to go back to Scotland for my sister's birthday ;_; Friggin' families, who needs 'em?

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 23 February 2018 12:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

¡¡¡¡¡happy birthday shirley!!!!!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 5 July 2018 14:49 (three months ago) Permalink

Christ, don't do that to me!

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:22 (three months ago) Permalink

I'm just reading her memoir. Hadn't taken in what her Birthday is.
Book is really good as was America Over the Water.

Stevolende, Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:48 (three months ago) Permalink

83 years old, HBSC

I'd Rather Kecak (NickB), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:51 (three months ago) Permalink

i am allowed to wish shirley a happy birthday because she is still with us! celebrate, don't have a heart attack :)

she is a living treasure. i have been saving her new book for a special time to focus on it. i did the same thing with america over the water and read it on a trip. perfect!!!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:11 (three months ago) Permalink

her set in Birmingham a fortnight ago was my favourite musical performance of 2018 so far

Pardew to Megson: "you've stolen my New Orleans bounce" (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:20 (three months ago) Permalink

i heard rumours there might be another album on the way btw

I'd Rather Kecak (NickB), Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:23 (three months ago) Permalink

awweeeeesoooommmeeee

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:30 (three months ago) Permalink

her set in Birmingham a fortnight ago was my favourite musical performance of 2018 so far
more details please!

who did she play with/who was in her band and what did they play
what songs did she sing
venue?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:49 (three months ago) Permalink

setlist is here https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/shirley-collins/2018/the-crossing-birmingham-england-1bea15b0.html

there were I think five musicians onstage inc the Cyclobe guys who produced Lodestar? or poss just Ossian. also a morris dancer who gamboled across the stage intermittently

there was also a live interview type thing earlier in the day which was good (esp the part where she named Ewan McColl as an historical sex pest) and wrt Nick's post did mention upcoming recording sessions for a new album!

sorry not as detailed as you wanted but yeah it was was wonderful

Pardew to Megson: "you've stolen my New Orleans bounce" (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 5 July 2018 17:30 (three months ago) Permalink

that is more than i had before, thank you!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 5 July 2018 17:39 (three months ago) Permalink

Yeah it was a Lodestar run through, but the ?mandolin? couldn't get the right tuning for Sur le Borde de l'Eau despite it having had the full intro from Shirley. Thousands Or More was a nice easy sing-along to fill the gap.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:28 (three months ago) Permalink

I've just come to the part of All In The Downs where she says she loathes jazz. God, I guess everybody can't be perfect but did hope she might enjoy some of the decent stuff.
Oh well, she did look amazing in the 60s.
Sounded quite good too, but would have loved to hear some more jazz in her sound.
BUt I guess that goes against her singing style.

Stevolende, Monday, 9 July 2018 11:22 (three months ago) Permalink


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