Sounds like Belinda Carlisle but it's probably Cait O'Riordan.
― everything, Sunday, 24 August 2008 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link
that's Cait O'Riordan, who used to play bass for the Pogues until Daryl Hunt took over from "If I Should Fall..." Unfortunately, she married Elvis Costello after he produced "Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash."
That song was written by Shane MacGowan but it's on the Sid and Nancy soundtrack. It's also on the excellent Pogues box set that just came out.
― res, Sunday, 24 August 2008 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
incidentally, MONUMENTAL CLASSIC. That box set kicks fucking ass.
― res, Sunday, 24 August 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link
also a great version of that song with sinead o'connor on shane's first solo album.
― tipsy mothra, Sunday, 24 August 2008 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link
It was a single in its own right as well. As tipsy says, there's a version on "The Snake" as well featuring Sinead O'Connor.
― ailsa, Monday, 25 August 2008 00:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Sinead O'Connor version is not as good, IMHO. And his solo version of "Rake at the Gates of Hell" is fucking terrible compared to the original. But, shockingly, he made another amazing Christmas song after he went solo. It's called "Christmas Lullaby" and unbelievably, it's nearly as good as "Fairytale of New York." That song was on a limited edition single only, alas.
― res, Monday, 25 August 2008 01:16 (fifteen years ago) link
i sort of prefer the sinead version, it's more wistful and draws out the melody more. both are great though. "you looked so cool you could have put out vietnam" is one of my favorite shane lines.
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 25 August 2008 03:31 (fifteen years ago) link
here's the video to the album version of shane/sinead. (produced by trevor horn!)
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 25 August 2008 03:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Thanks ILM!!!!!!!!!
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Monday, 25 August 2008 03:56 (fifteen years ago) link
obligatory st paddy's day pogues video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TejJDFt6Tkk&feature=related
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 12:59 (fourteen years ago) link
and now I am lying here and I've had too much booze
― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 11:58 (thirteen years ago) link
xmas eve in the drunk tank
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Sunday, 31 October 2010 00:14 (thirteen years ago) link
TOO EARLY
(<3)
― master of retardment (ENBB), Sunday, 31 October 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm sad to say, i must be on me waySo buy me beer and whiskey cos I'm goin far away
― shining like national dog shit (Neanderthal), Sunday, 14 August 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
Still one of the best live shows I've attended was the Pogues along with Joe Strummer back in 1988 or so. Listen to 'em less than I used to, but still got a place in my heart for RUM, and even for HELL'S DITCH.
― Matt M., Sunday, 14 August 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
James Fearnley has written an AMAZING memoir about his time with the Pogues. I pretty much read it start to finish nonstop today. He's a phenomenally good writer, and boy does it tell a good story.
http://www.amazon.com/Here-Comes-Everybody-Pogues-ebook/dp/B007Q25LBI/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345612229&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=here+comes+everyone+fearnley
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 05:11 (eleven years ago) link
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_01/poguesMS0206_468x370.jpg
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 6 September 2012 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
That picture is, sadly, both classic and dud.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 September 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
Nice homburg, tho
― Adesso vorrei assistere alle esequie vichinghe (Michael White), Thursday, 6 September 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
That, my friends, is the face of a man who has lived life on his own terms.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 7 September 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/8FLJn.jpg
it's amazing what a set of dentures can do.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 7 September 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
With the teeth in he looks like Steve Coogan on a bender.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 7 September 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
Anyone read this?http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51BByiRCCvL._SS500_.jpg
― Jazzbo, Friday, 7 September 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
My book here says it's Shane McGowan's birthday today. He's 50 years old.― Bimble, Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:11 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Bimble, Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:11 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I like to think Bimble had a book with every musician's birthday in it and he'd finish off each day by looking through it and choosing to whom he'd wish a happy birthday.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 September 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
I was going to get that book, but haven't yet. You can read sections of it on Amazon. What I read of it, it seemed somewhat academic to me. The author also wrote a positive review on Amazon for James Fearnley's (Pogues accordion player) book.
― Poliopolice, Friday, 7 September 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
Sad news:
http://www.rte.ie/ten/news/2013/1008/479139-pogues-member-phil-chevron-has-died/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
At least it was peaceful...
― The normative power of the factual (Michael White), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link
:(
RIP. As Joe Strummer noted, he was great at that insanely fast Irish triple-time strumming thing.
― Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link
He wrote "Lorelei" and "Thousands are Sailing," two of the best Pogues tracks (power ballads?). Sad,
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 01:53 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I love both of those. R.I.P.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 02:10 (ten years ago) link
RIP
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link
It's rare that "Thousands are Sailing" doesn't make me cry. I cannot sing along with it without my voice shaking.
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 17:27 (ten years ago) link
oh wow, RIP.
aren't they doing some gigs coming up?
― Bee OK, Thursday, 10 October 2013 01:54 (ten years ago) link
yeap: http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2013/09/24/pogues-tour-dates-rum-sodomy-lash/
Dec. 15: O2 Apollo, Manchester, UKDec. 17: O2 Academy, Glasgow, UKDec. 19: O2 Academy Brixton, London, UKDec. 20: O2 Academy Brixton, London, UK
― Bee OK, Thursday, 10 October 2013 01:57 (ten years ago) link
Anyone pick up the new 30 Years box set? I really want to hear the remixes of Red Roses For Me and especially Lilywhite's new Peace and Love. The inclusion of a Strummer set from December '91 is a nice bonus.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 2 January 2014 15:47 (ten years ago) link
Huh. Didn't know about that. So it's just the albums, no bonus tracks, plus that live set and two remixed albums?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 January 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link
yup. I don't want to buy all the records - I have last decade's expanded reissues - but I'd love to pick up the remixes. Heck, I'd be okay with streaming them legally but can't find a place to do so.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 2 January 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
Ha:
Step 1: take 7 albums; sellStep 2: make compilation; sell againStep 3: add bonus tracks; sell againStep 4: make another compilation; sell againStep 5: remove bonus tracks; sell againStep 6: make another compilation; sell againStep 7: repackage in boxset; sell againStep 8: make another compilation; sell againStep 9: remix two, add live album, repackage in different boxset; sell againStep 10: go to 1
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 January 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
sad but true. I can't see myself springing for a third time on pogues cds. Though I've never owned the two post-Hell's Ditch records.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 2 January 2014 16:11 (ten years ago) link
I've only ever owned "The Best Of" and "The Rest Of", which I love. I'm going to pick up the Rhino editions of the first 3 and possibly the "Just Look Them Straight In The Eye And Say Pogue Mahone" odds and ends box set. There's not much discussion about that box - thoughts?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 2 January 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link
I love the "Pogue Mahone" box set, but it's obviously only for the most rabid fans. The highlight for me is the stark version of "The Auld Triangle" from the John Peel show.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RousyTQB6iY
― Jazzbo, Thursday, 2 January 2014 18:42 (ten years ago) link
The new "30 Years" box set seems pretty pointless to me, since it doesn't include any bonus tracks and leaves out entirely the great "Poguetry in Motion" EP. The remastered CDs have all the extras, including that EP.
― Jazzbo, Thursday, 2 January 2014 18:45 (ten years ago) link
New mixes and a live disc. Not enough for me. Need to pick up the Pogue Mohone box though.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 2 January 2014 18:51 (ten years ago) link
leaves out entirely the great "Poguetry in Motion" EP
!!! that is crazy
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 January 2014 18:54 (ten years ago) link
One last Pogues mention for today. For my bachelor party, a bunch of my friends rented an orange van (we looked like escapees from a mental hospital), put a keg in the back and started driving from Rhode Island to Boston. The whole way up they were threatening to take me to strip joints in the Combat Zone, which is the last thing I wanted to do. We parked, walked around a bit and then turned a corner to see a giant sign all lit up: "Tonight Only: The Pogues." What a relief! This was the 1991 tour, when Joe Strummer was fronting the band, so we heard "London Calling" and "I Fought the Law" among the usual fare. Then we headed over to Tower Records (long since gone), where I dropped over a hundred bucks. What a great night.
― Jazzbo, Thursday, 2 January 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link
Roots geek here. Just wanted to rep for the boxset. It's tempting to dismiss it because they've been doing useless annual best-ofs for so long, but it's pretty great. Notes:
Red Roses For Me sounds much better. Vocals have a lot more clarity, and the low end has been cranked way up. You notice immediately.
Peace and Love is a new album. It's totally different now. Instrumental parts you didn't know existed, vocals mixed so differently they don't sound like the same take. Harmonies that weren't there. Really made me reevaluate it. Still hit or miss obviously, but I like it a lot more now.
The Strummer live album should have been sold by itself. It's one of the coolest things in their catalogue, and they've been talking about putting it out for a decade. I don't know why it's buried in something that looks like a greatest hits. Strummer brings huge energy to the proceedings, and outsings MacGowan on the Hell's Ditch stuff. It's great hearing him sing If I Should Fall From Grace, a song that he clearly loves. And his electric rhythm is all over the place, which I dig.
― kaleb, Saturday, 4 January 2014 06:27 (ten years ago) link
The Strummer live album should have been sold by itself.
Along with the remixed "Red Roses" and "Peace and Love." Rather than included in a boxed set as "exclusives."
Curious about "Peace and Love," which I've always listened to as much as any Pogues. I never thought it sounded bad and in fact really liked how it was recorded. Still, intriguing tidbits:
STEVE LILLYWHITE: “I made a mistake with Peace And Love in mixing his voice quietly, which made a weak vocal worse. If I’d turned it up, I could’ve made a weak vocal better. I should apologise to him for that. I feel it could’ve been a much better album if the vocals, even if they were weak, had been louder in the mix. Quite often he would slur his voice a lot, so I would actually move the voice forwards in the track. Now you can do it really easily. In those days, it was quite a big job. I did that on a couple of tracks to try and get his voice more in the right place.” JEM FINER:“... too much cocaine ... definitely had an effect on [Peace & Love]. I’ve always hated cocaine, and I think it’s responsible for a lot of rubbish that happened round the band. People often turn into complete arseholes – not always, but creative ideas fuelled by cocaine are often just shit. That probably is a problem. There was a lot of over-indulgence, musically. Things became over-complicated …. Everyone wanting their stuff to be heard. The collective ego of the band got fragmented into individual egos. I found it really, really tedious and frustrating and disheartening... ‘USA’ is a case in point of sheer over-indulgence. I’ve got some tapes somewhere of mixes of that that are just incredible where it’s quite sparse. It had this amazing, brooding menace to it, and that sort of got lost. People kept overdubbing stuff more and more and it just lost a lot of its power.”PHILIP CHEVRON: It has to be said that Shane - indeed, the whole band - was in better shape when we recorded the demos than when we cut the album. By then, disillusion, not to mention various drug cocktails, had set in. We gave Lillywhite an uphill battle from the very beginning. Steve probably made the best choices he could at the time in respect of how to disguise/flatter/enhance/obscure the lead vocals, but he is, I think, right to concede, 20 years later, that there was probably a better way around the problem. Oddly enough, with success there appears to come some unspoken additional pressure from the record company to make records a certain way, with a particular sound etc, and in the event, Steve was trying to make the record as much for the Brothers Warner in the UK and Island Records in the USA as for The Pogues. In an ideal world, these are not incompatible goals, as the previous album proves, but I think this one collapsed as under the weight of expectation as much as it suffered from our own flawed humanity, and it ended up representing the best interests of no one. Amazing it's still a great album, however flawed. What else was there that month, the new Rick Astley?
JEM FINER:“... too much cocaine ... definitely had an effect on [Peace & Love]. I’ve always hated cocaine, and I think it’s responsible for a lot of rubbish that happened round the band. People often turn into complete arseholes – not always, but creative ideas fuelled by cocaine are often just shit. That probably is a problem. There was a lot of over-indulgence, musically. Things became over-complicated …. Everyone wanting their stuff to be heard. The collective ego of the band got fragmented into individual egos. I found it really, really tedious and frustrating and disheartening... ‘USA’ is a case in point of sheer over-indulgence. I’ve got some tapes somewhere of mixes of that that are just incredible where it’s quite sparse. It had this amazing, brooding menace to it, and that sort of got lost. People kept overdubbing stuff more and more and it just lost a lot of its power.”
PHILIP CHEVRON: It has to be said that Shane - indeed, the whole band - was in better shape when we recorded the demos than when we cut the album. By then, disillusion, not to mention various drug cocktails, had set in. We gave Lillywhite an uphill battle from the very beginning. Steve probably made the best choices he could at the time in respect of how to disguise/flatter/enhance/obscure the lead vocals, but he is, I think, right to concede, 20 years later, that there was probably a better way around the problem. Oddly enough, with success there appears to come some unspoken additional pressure from the record company to make records a certain way, with a particular sound etc, and in the event, Steve was trying to make the record as much for the Brothers Warner in the UK and Island Records in the USA as for The Pogues. In an ideal world, these are not incompatible goals, as the previous album proves, but I think this one collapsed as under the weight of expectation as much as it suffered from our own flawed humanity, and it ended up representing the best interests of no one. Amazing it's still a great album, however flawed. What else was there that month, the new Rick Astley?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 January 2014 13:36 (ten years ago) link
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-wire-creator-is-penning-a-musical-based-on-the-pogues-music-20131226
― Simon H., Saturday, 4 January 2014 13:56 (ten years ago) link
Wow, aspects of the new Peace & Love are revelatory.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 January 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link
Tuesday Morning is a really good song. The rest of the album I don't remember! I don't remember hating it though. It was better than the next one.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 9 December 2023 23:34 (five months ago) link
weirdly it was produced by Michael Brook (of Eno/Lanois and Edge's 'infinite guitar' fame)
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 10 December 2023 00:41 (five months ago) link
J.D.C. = J.D. Considine?
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 10 December 2023 01:05 (five months ago) link
i'm amazed there isn't more chat about the funeral. it was literally the craziest thing ever.
― stirmonster, Sunday, 10 December 2023 01:16 (five months ago) link
i can't find the whole thing online but it was cool to see Nick Cave do Rainy Night and Hansard do Fairytale. Lots of love in there. Was the terribly old man in the front pew McGowan's father? Also, was the casket in a wicker basket?
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 10 December 2023 01:25 (five months ago) link
yes and yes. his father seemed to be emotionally in turmoil throughout while everyone else was having the time of their lives, his wife especially. not being judgemental here; it was very fitting, but very, very odd seeing his wife leaping over pews to dance. i'm not sure how typical this was but if it was, i have to say nobody seemingly does a funeral like the irish. well, maybe the good folk of new orleans can compete.
― stirmonster, Sunday, 10 December 2023 01:37 (five months ago) link
he was ill for so long I can't blame her for trying to finally have a good time.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 10 December 2023 02:03 (five months ago) link
i felt a bit of a kinship with his Dad being the only one not clapping, something about applause at a funeral in a church that feels slightly craven/sacriligious always feel a bit overcome for parents who outlive their children he’s quite up there iirc, isnt he in his mid 90’s?
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 10 December 2023 03:04 (five months ago) link
but the funeral also felt v mcgowan & the highspiritedness was of course appropriate for him & his vibe
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 10 December 2023 03:06 (five months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQFLz0WHhSA
― Maresn3st, Sunday, 5 May 2024 18:58 (two weeks ago) link