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At least 6 people singing praises for “set the ray to jerry” and only two votes :(

I think pennies and set the ray are my favorite songs from this era and probably their whole caralogue which might sound crazy considering they’re not even on the album. I hate that some songs like “shine in our spit” or “take me down” or “lily” made it when they should’ve been b-sides instead of those two.

At any rate it’s impressive how creative this era of the band and Corgan was, they had songs to make at least 3 good to great albums and nowadays he struggles to make a decent song.

ha i've never heard Fuck You (An Ode to No One) referred to as "Shine in Our Spit." that's one of my favorites though, consistently amazing live performances & one of BC's best recorded solos.

Oh yes it’s “fuck you (an ode to noone)” haha forgot the name and remembered that part of the lyrics.

i revisited all these b-sides last night and “mouths of babes” is just a wildly good song, hook upon hook upon hook

I like it too but I always thought it was too jarring after “for noone” maybe it’s the sequencing of it which I’m not fond of.

it’s like if “where boys fear to tread” were more than just a riff

WBFTT is a riff AND the coolest intro of all time

How fucking dope is that feedback that lets loose just before the main riff kicks in? It sounds like a damn flute

Mouths of babes sounded like it was recorded earlier to me, like it totally could have fit on Siamese Dream

thread has inspired me to put on that massive SP b-sides collection that's on Spotify. don't think I'd heard "Beginning is the End is the Beginning" since its use in the Watchmen trailer, which was actually pretty clever imo

How fucking dope is that feedback that lets loose just before the main riff kicks in? It sounds like a damn flute

― brimstead, Thursday, November 2, 2017 10:37 AM (thirteen minutes ago)

i ain’t denying this

Mouths of Babes is so much fun to play on guitar. Riffs upon riffs. I always loved its sister song, Marquis in Spades, a lot too.

some comments on both songs:

"During the year and a half of Siamese Dream touring, we tried to work on all sorts of new songs. From all the endless jams and tapes, this song and 'Marquis in Spades' were the only ones that survived. A favorite at soundcheck with nonlyrics forever. Another heavy metal victim, or at least too much like a Siamese Dream track." -BC (Guitar World 1/97)

"The band never really liked (Marquis in Spades). They were always snickering at it, but I always liked its sheer brutality. It was recorded live on my 8-track cassette recorder, on which I've done almost all my demos since before Gish." -BC (Guitar World 1/97)

On the playing god thread I did this experiment trimming 10 songs and dividing it into 4 parts, 2 “rocking” ones and 2 melancholic ones (I kept Lily even when it’s one of my least favorites :/)

A side

1. Where Boys Fear to Thread
2. Bodies
3. Muzzle
4. 1979
5. Here Is No Why

B side

1. To Forgive
2. Pennies
3. Thirty Three
4. Thru The Eyes of Ruby
5. We Only Come Out at Night

C side

1. Set the Ray to Jerry
2. Love
3. Zero
4. Bullet With Butterfly Wings
5. Jellybelly

D side

1. Galapogos
2. Stumbleine
3. Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
4. Lily (My One and Only)
5. Tonight Tonight

huh, that’s pretty good! i can hear the transitions in my head and they’re pretty seamless

iirc the only worthless MCIS b-side (not counting the covers) is "Blank"

solid list, interesting sequencing choices. Tonight, Tonight is an interesting closer

I wouldn't change anything about MCIS though- the sequencing is perfect & pretty funny, I feel like that aspect of the record is really overlooked. Tonight, Tonight followed by Jellybelly is hilarious, and then on disc 2 an even more extreme example- 1979 followed by Tales of a Scorched Earth.

I agree that MCIS is really well-sequenced even if I have small quibbles with what made it in and what didn't

the 50+ songs from this era are really fun to resequence in various permutations though

the sequencing in the original is all over the place! Sometimes it works sometimes it’s too much, depends on your mood I guess and there’s so many moods in this album. It’s like a soundtrack to bipolar disorder.

That sequence above is how I arranged the album on my itunes, makes it so much easier to digest. I love “tonight tonight” as a closer.

I've always loved the gradual, pillowy comedown of the last few songs on the original. Really ties in beautifully with the artwork.

the original vinyl sequencing from 1996 is pretty cool, much more of a laid-back / ease-in sort of pacing compared to the double CD

lol I have never liked that sequence

Yes I know! But but but... Tonight Tonight is very histrionic, it has an orchestra and it explodes and then it comes down to a hush, if the album was a theatrical play it would be a perfect way to close, with a celebration! every actor comes out at first, they slowly fade away and at the end there’s only the protagonist saying a farewell.

feels more like a first disc closer to me

Are there many albums that have singles as closers? I’m trying to think of one but can’t. That could’ve been cool too.

xxxxpost:

Yeah, and stylistically there's portions of the second CD that foreshadow Adore, which is part of the reason I couldn't believe folks were so down on it. Stuff like 'Once Upon a Time' would have fit in snugly on Mellon Collie disc 2.

yeah Simon, i mean like i said i love the album as it is and have never regularly listened to an alternative sequence, but it's interesting to see what choices BC made in that sequence & what you can infer from it- for example, all the songs about Courtney Love (other than Bodies) are on the "Midnight" side: WBFTT, Zero, Fuck You, Love, X.Y.U.

Wait, the whole point of "Tonight Tonight" IS that it's (almost) the opening number. It signals an experience is on, melodramatically.

Are there many albums that have singles as closers? I’m trying to think of one but can’t. That could’ve been cool too.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:20 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tons off the top of my head: The Bends, In Utero, Insomniac, Merriweather Post Pavilion, Yeezus, Washing Machine...

we have a thread about that for sure

I also can't think of any place where swapping in a song from TAFH into MCIS would work. Love has always been my least favorite song on there, but it works really well as a transition between Fuck You and Cupid de Locke. Love is a rocker but it's drenched in all that flange, and BC's "cyber-affixed" vocal. it's a rocker but it has a goofiness about it that Mouths of Babes and Marquis in Spades don't.

I love Love but tbh I have never liked Cupid de Locke

this is the sequence I'm trying out today - preserves a lot of the original for some stretches
https://open.spotify.com/user/suckerblues/playlist/3z2Hd4z3a4inBsHRAmIHky

I'm the other way around, I love 'Cupid de Locke', but as much as I love the way 'Love' sounds, I don't think much of it as a song.

I like it. The muzzle>33>pennies>set the ray>porcelina sequence is particularly nice.

^^ That's the best part of that sequence, I agree.

Love Cupid, and I seem to be of the minority that really loves Farewell & Goodnight too. "A silver rain will wash away..." The song ends ambiguous, with a question mark ("and you can tell"), as if it is of two minds, in doubt. Despite every member contributing. Do not see a lot of people stanning for it.

oh i love that song, but it'd be one of the first to go in any edited tracklist i did

always loved that line “The sun shines but I don’t” , sums up the record

any song but that one closing the record is heretical imho, the only convincing show of band unity in their entire catalogue

otm

the few performances of them doing it in ‘96 with everyone singing their parts are really beautiful

also I've never been that wild about "WBFTT," "Bodies," or "In the Arms of Sleep"

what

excuse me

"bodies"???

Whaaaa... How can you not love "In The Arms of Sleep"? One of the best cuts on MCIS!

ITAOS has some of BC's most annoying vox and lyrics, one of the few songs of his I can't get through as an adult

ah that’s like my relationship to “rotten apples”

You make me feel I *suck* at being an adult, because I still love that song ;_;

"Suffer my desire" is one for the ages. It's a motto.

Rotten Apples still rules, too. Despite bad memories attached to that song.

also feel like Galapagos nails a pretty similar vibe but is a way better song and renders it redundant on the first disc

Ok that might have come across weird and gross, I don't suffer desire, but it's def relatable. And I love the flute, whistley sound, that sounds like last breath, ghouls gathering around a death bed.

"Carve out your heart for keeps in an old oak tree"

Slays, both lyrically and in delivery.

"suffer my desire for you" is yeah p much exactly the line and delivery I can't deal with in 2017