So, Noise People "Mosh" Now?

Great thread.

You seem annoyed about this. This hasn't really managed to annoy you, has it? Because that would be quite silly

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Maybe I'm just letting off steam. Perhaps I'm merely intrigued to see the word "mosh" in print.

Apologies for the ill-considered rant...

I know noise kids who like to rock. And I think at Colour Out Of Space there was some sort of group discussion that touched on the idea of noise as rock and roll. I missed that part of the festivities due to sleeping, but point is, there are noise kids who aren't strictly drone-heads or whatever.

http://slaughterdogrecords.com/webpics/mosh.bmp

the grown men in pajamas crowd

what does this mean?

yeah I didn't understand that either

(If I could have deleted this post, prompted by a hasty tantrum while both extremely tired and busy, I would have.)

Perhaps the "grown men in pajamas" quip was a regional observation, but lots of noise kids I've encountered at noise shows appear to wear pajama-grade dayglo garments, and to go to extra special lengths to have supremely matted just-woke-up hair. Does any of this matter? Not at all.

And I think that what fascinated me about the mosh talk is the fact that it flashes a light on the elephant in the noise room-- that much of it is punk and hardcore made by kids who try hard to appear to have outdistanced the punk and hardcore scenes that they newly belittle. Much of the so-called noise scene is not this, I know.

Again, maybe a regional observation. Certainly one which I should have kept to myself, or should have found a more constructive way to discuss.

not much of an elephant. I have seen many a noise man get misty at mention of the hardcore daze.

I am probably criticizing four actual people rather than an entire scene. Therefore, I will stop trying to explain myself--there is no explanation.

go to extra special lengths to have supremely matted just-woke-up hair

this quip always strikes me as funny. I mean, yeah, I'm sure some of these dishevelled-looking kids at shows work on their look in the mirror a bit, but I get the feeling that a lot of them really are just slobs.

And when do noise kids belittle hardcore or punk? Most noise shows I see have two or three noise bands and two or three punk bands on the same bill. Or I'll see a noise/guy with an acoustic guitar show. And when did people not mosh at noise shows? Wolf eyes are like AC/DC + ambient. Most noise shows I see either skew towards being close to hard rock, or rave. And you can mosh to either of those. Or dance. I don't like moshing generally, I think it's kind of stupid. At a lot of noise shows you get this like weird throbbing pit going where people aren't pushing each other, they're just kind of leaning in different directions and the whole place is so packed everyone sways. I don't mind that so much. I like when people pump their fists at the explosion parts.

all kinds of ppl like to have fun and rock out

moshin's fun. I've yet to decide whether stupid is beside the point or is, in fact, the entire point.

M@tt=yep. people don't just like one kid of music shocker.

they have indie moshpits now

Depends on the noise. There are pricks like Japanther with that whole ROCK AND NOISE DUUUUDE MY DAD's A SWISS DIPLOMAT AND I LIVE IN A $8000/MONTH LOFT AT AGE 17.

On the other end there's that new age / mello beardo kinda stuff where everyone's pretty much just stoned out of their minds.

there used to be a noise board on ilx...does anyone else remember that

hell i remember seeing garbage at some dumb radio fest in like 99 and there were ppl moshing and crowd surfing to them. i don't think moshing has been exclusive to punk and hardcore since like oh i dunno maybe 1989 or something (not that i was moshing them or anything)

bell_labs, I think 90% of ILX is banned from that board

no, it is really only you

i once watched people mosh to spearhead at a mid day outdoor festival

Eat my ass John Justen, you're probably ugly

Mosh pit broke out at Times New Viking show when they played "devo and wine."

burt, if you want to whine again, take it here instead of messing up this thread: JOHN JUSTEN AND BURT STANTON SHOWDOWN THREAD!

haha omg spearhead god they were the worst band, probably still are.

john is hot.

i once watched people mosh to spearheadToad the Wet Sprocket I shit you not at a mid day outdoor festival

I am probably criticizing four actual people rather than an entire scene. Therefore, I will stop trying to explain myself--there is no explanation.

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I kinda expected this thread to drop like a stone and be forgotten forever after this post, who knew it'd last a few more minutes.

ladies and gentlemen, burt stanton

people keep doing that

the youth are getting restless

Which one of these words dont you understand
Im caught in a mosh!
Talking to you is like clapping with one hand

a kid was killed in a pit at a hanson concert in '98

hanson was so stupid to hire the hell's angels to do security i don't care what the dead told them, they should have known better

I thought noise dudes threw chairs

I wasn't at no fun, but in my experience moshing at noise shows is not a given. if the mood is right a pit will erupt, unlike the rote "it's a punk show so we must mosh". it's harder to sustain a pit without a beat, so a band has to be laying down a great vibe to get that reaction.

one of the best noise shows I've seen was deathroes at a warehouse in providence last year. the room was filled roof to floor with thick fog from a smoke machine, totally dark except for strobelights. the "music" was the usual atonal rumble screech + crunch, but as their set progressed the tempo of the noise grew faster, with the strobelights' flashes synched to it. it was like stepping into a scene from altered states. the entire crowd was dancing / moshing / writhing, a roiling stew of limbs and faces emerging out of fog and disappearing back into it.

this youtube clip doesn't capture it fully but gives the general idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCXZYpozqM

there's nothing conceptual about it. under the right conditions it feels totally right + natural, primal even.

also, my favorite inappropriate mosh moment was seeing a pit at a cranberries show

xp: sounds like Crash Worship

this youtube clip doesn't capture it fully but gives the general idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCXZYpozqM

A+

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched people crowdsurf to The Shins at an engineering school in Pittsburgh. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

filthy dylan otm, at the deathroes show two guys opened playing morricone-type instrumentals on acoustic gtrs. and the "moshing" at noise shows runs the gamut from throbbing flesh mass to aggro elbow circles.

noise people
new york and california
noise people
i was born on jupiter

where i come from people wear straw hats, overalls, and clown shoes. they mosh at hip house shows.

sounds like you got a bad case of juggalos. call an exterminator.

xp: sounds like Crash Worship

I'm pissed that I never saw cw back in the day. but their records sucked, how could I know?

crash worship youtube k-hole in 5... 4... 3... 2...

yeah, their records lacked for lsd, light show and nude pagan blood-letting

can we just sum this up as "people like to throw their bodies around to loud sounds"? Noisemoshing doesn't surprise me at all. This was happening in the 60s, too.

I mean, Venom and Slayer were "noise" in the 80s, in context. This can be taken back further.

there's a distinction in that moshing has been driven historically by a beat. venom and slayer were noisy but not noise, at least in the context we're discussing here. better 80s equivalents would be whitehouse or boy/dirt/car.

Japanther are not pricks and their shows are the most fun ever. Just to clarify.

Noise People

I only saw Japanther once, at a house party, and they were super fun. Seemed like nice folks, too. Are they noise, now?

And what do Swiss diplomats have to do with anything other than cups of delicious hot chocolate?

I remember no moshing at Big City Orchestra or Haters shows in the mid-80's

a lot of jumping and writhing at Crash Worship shows in the late 80's, I may have missed the moshing when I was trying to get the burning vodka out of my eyes that had been spit there by the topless dancer with the torch and the bottle, but I don't think so

no moshing at early 90's Merzbow, Masonna, Kaiji Heino, K2, Rubber O Cement, Brutal SFX shows

went to Wolf Eyes show about 5 years ago wondering what the big deal was and why they were a breakthrough band, since I couldn't hear it on record. went to small Oakland rock bar, thought it was a weird place for a noise show. saw three guys in t-shirts come out, one made devil's horns sarcastically and they droned for about 10 minutes. at the first downbeat, half the crowd instantly began moshing, and I got it -- rock has found noise

rock has found teenage boys

hey that rhymes

Sooo.... people are more likely to move around to something with a discernable beat? I think we've all learned something today

more like people are increasingly likely to move around to something without a beat. and that is truly groundbreaking my friend.

next time you dj try throwing on metal machine music

Yeah there were a ton of people moshing when I saw Whitehouse about six weeks ago but they have some things on their side in that regard: beats occasionally and these kind of rhythmic throbs of noise at other times; members who conduct themselves in a way people versed in hardcore would be au fait with; the fact it was a Saturday night and there seemed to be a whole atmosphere of 'fuck it, let's have a blast' (also saw them midweek somewhere else and there was not a lot of movement)

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched people crowdsurf to The Shins at an engineering school in Pittsburgh. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

A+ !!!

george bush doesn't care about noise people

Who's a more noise sensitive candidate, Obama or McCain?

mccain definitely looks more sensitive to noise. one loud bang and that dude's having a massive coronary.

What issues are noise voters most concerned with now?

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