the quietus : the new look

There have been loads of rain sounds wrong yeah. But I think I follow you, honest (although whether I'll be able to put it into practice is another matter, old habits n'all that)

I love proof-reading as well so may I interject that the punctuation mark before "this thread" in the last sentence looks suspiciously like a hyphen when it should be an em dash.

Longest LJ troll setup evah.

If it was a hyphen, there wouldn't be a space either side of it.

There was one hyphen I removed, however, in 'Bay-Area'; as one cannot strike-through a hyphen, I merely replaced it with a space.

no what I mean is he has used the hyphen character, when he should have used the em dash (or possibly en dash) character, both of which are longer than the hyphen (typographically speaking).

xp

Anagram, one falls into easy habits. Microsoft Word automatically replaces a spaced hyphen with an em dash, and ILX does not. Hence, I am liberal on such failings here (although I'd expect better in a word document or published article).

LJ, if you're expecting every word doc you sub to have correct em dash usage, you are in for a lifetime of disappointment

What's the keyboard shortcut for an em dash?

Argh I just made the screen text smaller but didn't get my dash :(

alt + 0151

Today's industry standard is to avoid spaces on either side of em dashes.

This is blowing my mind, along with the fact that what I've always thought to be the correct dash is a spaced en dash.

Oh fuck! Get this:

word space dash (or dash dash) space word space = spaced en dash

word dash dash word space = unspaced em dash

Microsoft Word, you fuck with me. I've been doing this wrong all my life :(

Today's industry standard is to avoid spaces on either side of em dash

if only

i think yall are confusing n- and m-dashes tho

Yeah, I think that article is for the US. UK magazines usually have spaced en dashes.

Traditionally an em dash—like so—or a spaced em dash — like so — has been used for a dash in running text. The Canadian The Elements of Typographic Style recommends the more concise spaced en dash – like so – and argues that the length and visual magnitude of an em dash "belongs to the padded and corseted aesthetic of Victorian typography." The spaced en dash is also the house style for certain major publishers (Penguin, Cambridge University Press, and Routledge among them, all British). However, some longstanding typographical guides such as The Chicago Manual of Style still recommend unspaced em dashes for this purpose. The Oxford Guide to Style (2002, section 5.10.10) acknowledges that the spaced en dash is used by "other British publishers", but states that the Oxford University Press—like 'most US publishers'—uses the unspaced em dash. In practice, there is little consensus, and it is a matter of personal or house taste; however, U.S. usage tends toward the em over the en for this usage.

The Oxford Guide to Style (2002, section 5.10.10) acknowledges that the spaced en dash is used by "other British publishers", but states that the Oxford University Press—like 'most US publishers'—uses the unspaced em dash.

represent. only who gives a shit what most US publishers do.

LJ, you missed an absence of a dot at the end of an "i.e." that should possibly have been an "e.g."

and meanwhile, I missed the opportunity to find better things to do with my time, but hey, I'm only in the office

In Word (on Windows) you can get an em dash by holding Alt Gr (the right-hand Alt key) and pressing the - on the numeric keypad, if you have one. I find the spaced en dash less distracting than a real unspaced em dash, but I don't know the shortcut for that; I just have to hope Word's auto-changer kicks in.

What am I doing on a hip hop beef thread? Good question.

LJ, you missed an absence of a dot at the end of an "i.e." that should possibly have been an "e.g."

Just testing y'all. (Shit shit shit!)

That's the sub's life. Always someone waiting to spot something you've missed.

What am I doing on a hip hop beef thread? Good question.

This is now the hyphen & dash discussion thread.

on Macs, of course, option + hyphen/minus = en-dash, shift + option + hyphen/minus = em-dash

So..er, anyway the Simply Red piece is good.

http://thequietus.com/articles/05168-in-defence-of-simply-red-picture-book-mick-hucknall

Haha. Sorry for picking holes in things written during the frantic scrum of trying to hit send on ILX before 6000 xposts sweep the thread into a different direction of shitstorm. Now, about those dashes...

(xp)

Think there's one em-dash amid the en-dashes of that Simply Red piece.

I would change "characterise" to "characterize" as well. It's a misconception that "-ise" is British English while "-ize" is American, "-ize" is the preferred spelling because it follows the Greek root -izo.

I feel like I'm not in playschool any more.

I would change "characterise" to "characterize" as well. It's a misconception that "-ise" is British English while "-ize" is American, "-ize" is the preferred spelling because it follows the Greek root -izo.

― margana (anagram), Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:40 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

again, oxford fucks with the z

hahaha man i'm an "old head" ;_;

oh well guess i am but would prefer "O.G." to be honest.

anyway man i don't have the energy to muster another hip hip clusterfuck.

but yeah i tend to stay in my lane pretty much.

*hip HOP

Yeah, Oxford University Press and The Times "fuck with the z" for everything iirc.

Etymological justifications regarding the Greek -izein have a point, but that's also some marshy territory if you're looking for a general rule. You end up worrying about a split between Greek words vs French loan words ending in -iser for a bit before you remember how many words came to us through both in turn, or neither at all. Do you have to second-guess for new formations whether the person who coined the word picked the ending by analogy to a classical word or a French word or neither?

(old bore in rocking chair.jpg)

In my job I talk to kids about pop music way more than I talk to anyone on here. Those kids are mostly faster, funnier and sharper than any of the smug baiting I read on ILM.

like a british deej with bad taste.

if you're gonna get all greek, then it would be "xarakterise," cuz there's no C in greek

xarakterize

*hip HOP

― acoleuthic, Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:52 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

early onset alzheimers, sorry

I have to say Ihave enjoyed the turn this thread has taken. Whether you ignore it or not lj, you have moved to the top of my list of ppl to send my novel to if i ever finish it.

And xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxposts Neil you say you'd prefer people to combat you with different suggestions if they do not care for the ones you selected and then dismiss two whole sub genres out of hand (hyphy and bay area rap).

well tbf there's hardly any time for bay area stuff or yung jeezy when there's so much j cole and asher roth to digest

There was one hyphen I removed, however, in 'Bay-Area'; as one cannot strike-through a hyphen, I merely replaced it with a space.

wtf with hyphenating "Bay Area" - which refers to the SF Bay Area, which is not hyphenated ... ever.

yeah k3vin stay in your lane wrt hyphenating bro

why don't you join the neil kulkarni beef parade xp

too many cooks, LJ, too many cooks

neil kulkarni beef parade

Either a band name or a blog title.

or a COGH thread that only KBP posts to

the quietus : the new look : NAG

suzy says her editor says that their tights are better than Chanel

"Neil Kulkarni Beef Parade"? Look, I was young, I needed the work, I was assured it would only be released in South America.

there was a band called the Iowa Beef Experience. They were like the Cows...of Iowa.

http://www.amazon.com/Personalien/dp/B000QR35FY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1265758148&sr=8-1-catcorr

or a COGH thread that only KBP posts to

― sarahel, Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:32 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

oh snap

aren't they all?

Is NAG, Norway's Nihilist Assault Group? (NAG's MySpace)

or

NAG, the National Association of Gals, the charming name Rush Limbaugh has for NOW, the National Association of Women?

I don't know what Nagl or iirc mean either.

if I recall correctly it means not a good look

unless you're being faux naive in which case fu