― chaki, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
bland "punk"(?)/ska meets new wave (ca. Richard Blade, who broke
the band. i wish i could break him), dreadful bleating horns, a
singer whose degree of annoyingness has yet to be surpassed despite
stiff competition courtesy of Creed, Radiohead and Third Eye Blind.
"Dead Man's Party" = most.annoying.song.evah. flashback incessant
repitions of this song circa 10/31/90, college quad, volleyball
players really soaking in the vibe man. 2 hours to complete a
physics lab. fuck. "Goodbye Goodbye Goodbye" and "Weird Science"
are in the top 10 shitsongs to be sure.
their cover of "You Really Got Me" is the most cheese-laden tripe
ever imaginable. New lows to the definition of "candy-assed".
seriously, the only thing classic about this band is that they met
their demise (alas, not soon enough).
― http://gygax.pitas.com, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― g, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― Alex in NYC, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
On a side note: a band I used to play with did a cover of "Private
Life", but without the keyboards it sounded like shite.
― paul, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
If you ever lived in So. Cal. for any length of time you'll have a
different opinion on Oingo Boingo than the rest of the country. They
were certainly responsible for bringing a certain kind of new wave
sound to the southland.
― Steve K, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
Actually, given the racial divisions heavily prevalent in the 80s in
LA, it only makes Oingo Boingo's wholesale appropriation of black
music elements that much more offensive - nothing like getting white
racist UCLA party animals to listen to black music without actually
having to think about or deal with black people...
― Shaky Mo Collier, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
Though there were a couple of Latinos in the band (which doesn't
exactly make them Los Lobos, admittedly). I completely and totally
agree with the wannabe XTC-meets-Devo analysis going on here, and
Rollins once memorably described California rednecks in a 1985-era
spoken word bit as like rednecks everywhere, but with Oingo Boingo
stickers on their cars.
― chaki, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
Oh jesus... uhm, did you not see the above mention of an infinitely
better and more interesting LA genre-mixing band from that period -
LOS LOBOS?!?! Maybe not so much the ska part, but definitely the
latin horns and folk music influences, crossed with rock and a bit of
new wave here and there. OB were NOT the only ones. As someone who
grew up around there at the apex of OBs career, that's a load of
crap. And don't even bother bringing up Sublime - christ, the
original wave of British punks ('76-'81) were deep DEEP into mixing
ska, punk, and reggae - ie, the Slits, the Clash being produced by
Scratch Perry, the Specials, etc. years before Boingo. Boingo was
biting a bunch of influences and re-packaging them sans "threatening"
interracial, political, or more experimental overtones back to a
bunch of stupid white kids that just wanted to have a "dead man's
party" and fondle Kelly Le Brock. Even X, another infinitely better
LA band, toyed with the Latin imagery/themes before them, and in a
This gets into the motivations of the artists themselves, and while I
can't say that I have any real insight into Danny Elfman as a person,
I can categorically say that this was a very *commercial band* - on a
major label, trying very hard to make hits, with no punk DIY ethic or
background whatsoever, so I think it's safe to say that yes, they
were probably making a conscious effort to "exploit it to the
masses". It sure looked that way at the time.
As for Weird Science - hey, I didn't hear the X cover practically
*every fucking day* of my junior high-high school existence, so yes,
I can hold it against OB simply on the basis of it being over-
exposure of a band I already didn't like. Whereas with X, that
admittedly ill-advised soundtrack move was pretty "under the radar"
and followed on the heels of years and years of productive,
interesting, provocative music. It's not rocket science to easily
see that X was the real deal (ie, a grassroots punk band) and Oingo
Boingo were a bunch of major label shills. Unless Elfman has some
musical background (outside of being a "band geek") that I'm not
And you're right, I should've mentioned Fishbone at least, but it was
YOU who said that "NO ONE ELSE WAS DOING IT", so what's your point?
― Sean, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
Hey, play whatever you want, I *love* funk. But a band should be
conscious of where their music comes from, who's listening to it, and
how it's being reacted to. You could think about what's for dinner
while you're playing, I don't care. But Oingo Boingo presented their
genres-in-a-blender crap like it came out of the head of some nerdy
office worker. They watered the shit down to make it palatable for a
basically more close-minded and lamer audience. Their music didn't
have the political or social context that's inherent in a lot of ska
and reggae. Or haven't you ever heard "Police and Thieves"
or "Mister Brown"?
"Should i be singing about black people so the audience 'will have to
deal' with it?"
Uhm, surely you must be aware of the vast amount of funk music that
DOES sing about black people, or at the very least about race
relations? Don't make me break out a list of songs here... assuming
you're writing your own material, you're singing about whatever you
want and that's cool, all well and good! But to imply that racial
consciousness is not part of funk music is just a denial of the
― paul, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― Chris Barrus, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
maybe it's a dead man's party.... (groan)
― gygax!, Monday, 6 January 2003 17:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 6 January 2003 17:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― David Allen, Monday, 6 January 2003 18:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
I also take issue with the idea that appropriating a particular sound means that you must also appropriate the associated ideology if you want to create anything worthwhile (which seems to be what Shakey Mo is saying).
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 January 2003 18:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 6 January 2003 19:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 6 January 2003 19:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
― chaki (chaki), Monday, 6 January 2003 21:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink
My band is made up of guys I met who could play. I guess since we are all white we’d better not try to “appropriate” any musical style other than Baroque, but golly willikers, we just really like that black rock and roll music! We write what makes us happy and use our producer to help us get rid of the crap. (And it ain’t Henry-diarrhea-of–the-opinions-Rollins, by the way.) Our stuff doesn’t sound to me like Oingo Boingo, but if it accidentally should to anyone else, well heaven help civilization: it’s because we have an album of theirs (we also have a Fishbone, a couple of XTC and a Rollins or two. Whoopie crap).
If Oingo Boingo doesn’t move you, well power to ya, brother! Offer me something besides comparison to bands who came along after Oingo Boingo started playing (1975) or a reason beyond the fact that California radio sucks (everybody knows that, anyway).
As far as Elfman and Bartek’s work being derivative, Angelo of Fishbone has been quoted as saying that Oingo Boingo was a large influence.
― Jackson Stinkhammer, Saturday, 24 April 2004 22:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
Only a Lad = Classic
― Patrick South (Patrick South), Saturday, 24 April 2004 22:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 24 April 2004 23:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― Ian in Brooklyn, Sunday, 25 April 2004 02:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 25 April 2004 02:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― bimble (bimble), Sunday, 25 April 2004 03:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
Oingo Boingo wasn't around for me growing up. I was of the Nightmare Before Christmas generation. I was brought up knowing of him only as a composer. When I discovered that he was in a band, AND recognised 'Weird Science' from some short-lived T.V. show when I was a kid, I threw myself so far into Boingo-dom that I still haven't pulled myself out of it. Compared with the rubbish that's out today (pop-wise, especially), I gladly look back on Boingo and marvel at their difference. For what they are, they're certainly quite talented. The instruments they incorporate, and the style is just so original. Especially for me, not having lived the life back then.
And I live in Australia, too. I hear very, very little about them here.
― slant, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 10:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
Heads up for LA folks... As part of their Friday @ midnight film series, the Nuart is showing Forbidden Zone this Friday with at least one Elfman present for a discussion afterward.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 20:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
Uhm, yes I do "write or participate in the production of music" myself. I do indeed agonize over where the music I make fits into the larger fabric of music history, probably to an unnecessary degree (but then I think being obsessively neurotic is key to making any good art). My band is composed similarly in that it's made up of people I know who could play and wanted to play and share similar interests/influences as me. The ethnic make-up of the band is largely inconsequential... but an essential point of mine is being confused here, which is about the MUSIC itself and not the musicians. Ska, funk, reggae - these genres have an explicit socio-political component, they come from a specific time and place and that is reflected in the music itself. One (among many) of the things that annoys me about Boingo is that they reappropriate this stuff, strip it of its socio-political context, mix it with new wave Thomas Dolby keyboards and present it like its some sort of genius hybrid. It just comes out sounding really empty to me. If I want to hear good ska I can just go get the Skatalites - or hell, even the British Two-Tone bands did it better (the Specials et al). Boingo took this music, tore it out of context, and added nothing as far as I can tell. They don't do anything that other people don't do better. XTC and Devo have them beat hands down in terms of new wave songwriting, and there are tons of better ska bands - hell, even Madness did the pop-ska thing with more panache (and RESPECT, look they're named after Prince Buster etc...)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 20:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 20:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink
― everything, Monday, 18 April 2005 18:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― HAHAHAHAHA (Those are children's laughs) (We've run out), Monday, 18 April 2005 19:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink
― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 12 August 2006 19:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 12 August 2006 19:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 12 August 2006 19:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 12 August 2006 19:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink
― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 12 August 2006 19:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink
fuck a shakey mo
gygax i am close to forgiving you
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Saturday, 12 August 2006 19:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 12 August 2006 19:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink
― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 12 August 2006 20:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Saturday, 12 August 2006 20:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 12 August 2006 20:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink
― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 12 August 2006 20:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink
Little Girls 3:44 Oingo Boingo only a lad 1 9 8/1/06 10:27 PM Same Man I Was Before 3:24 Oingo Boingo Dead Man's Party 8 11 7/23/06 9:16 PM 1Nothing Bad Ever Happens 3:43 Oingo Boingo Good For Your Soul 7 of 11 5 7/23/06 9:01 PM Just Another Day 5:12 Oingo Boingo Dead Man's Party 1 5 8/1/06 10:31 PM 1 of 1Home Again 5:14 Oingo Boingo Boi-Ngo 1 6 8/1/06 10:35 PM 1Weird Science 6:08 Oingo Boingo Dead Man's Party 9 5 8/1/06 10:36 PM 1Flesh N' Blood 4:17 Oingo Boingo Ghostbusters 2 Soundtrack 7 4 7/23/06 9:31 PM Running On A Treadmill 3:21 Oingo Boingo Nothing To Fear 5 of 10 7 8/1/06 10:38 PM 1 of 1My Life 4:36 Oingo Boingo Boi-Ngo 7 6 8/1/06 10:38 PM 1Not My Slave 4:43 Oingo Boingo Boi-Ngo 6 4 7/23/06 9:44 PM 1Good For Your Soul 3:16 Oingo Boingo Good For Your Soul 2 of 11 8 7/23/06 9:39 PM Stay 3:37 Oingo Boingo Dead Man's Party 5 3 8/1/06 10:39 PM 1Dead Man's Party 6:21 Oingo Boingo Dead Man's Party 2 8 8/1/06 10:40 PM 1Heard Somebody Cry 4:40 Oingo Boingo Dead Man's Party 3 9 8/1/06 10:41 PM 1Private Life 3:18 Oingo Boingo Nothing To Fear 3 of 10 5 7/23/06 9:47 PM 1 of 1Fool's Paradise 4:34 Oingo Boingo Dead Man's Party 6 6 7/23/06 5:41 PM 1Goodbye, Goodbye 3:54 Oingo Boingo Fast Times at Ridgemont High 19 6 7/16/06 8:34 PM
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Saturday, 12 August 2006 20:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink
I will be the guy repping for a bands lesser album and say I just listened to "Dead Man's Party" for the first time in ages and it's still super fun. Cheesy, somewhat overproduced, not as good as the previous 2 albums - all true. But still lots of fun.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 29 August 2009 21:26 (eight years ago) Permalink
That's all true- but the next one "Boi-ngo" was a major drop in quality.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 18:49 (eight years ago) Permalink
― a fact-checker with The New Yorker magazine (HI DERE), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 18:54 (eight years ago) Permalink
Y'all probably saw this before but it's pretty cool. Oingo Boingo when they were on the Gong Show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTRd1a5MVMw
― everything, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 19:03 (eight years ago) Permalink
Anyone know much about the "Forbidden Boingo" rarities bootlegs floating around?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 13 April 2012 03:23 (five years ago) Permalink
Never heard them before then put on "Insanity" from their farewell tour, not expecting much. Fucking wow amazing.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink
this is my fav band of all time
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink
btw William Winant plays percussion on Insanity. He collabs with Zorn often and is Mr. Bungle member. He's one of the original Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo from the 70s! Boingo has a ton of cool avant garde connections. Sluggo on sax played with Annette Peacock and Steve Bartek plays on all the Beautiful Records albums from the 70s.
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink
I mean Lovely Music, not Beautiful Records, lol. Bartek is on Blue Gene Tyranny's Out of the Blue on bass! Also the Peter Gordon stuff, etc.
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Weirdest thing. For years I had this strange song stuck in my head but I just could not place it. All I knew is that I had heard it again some time in the past few years, but mostly recognized it from when I was a kid. I thought it was vaguely ... like, baroque/gothic eastern European pop or something, with fiddles and this bouncy bass line. So there I was, watching Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 several months back, for the first time since I was maybe 15, and - ta dah!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink
Also, had my mind sort of blown learning that Danny Elfman and Kim Gordon were a couple back in her California days.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink
that's a siqq scene in TCM2
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink
btw the original members - sans Danny - still play as the Oingo Boingo Dance Party. Vatos, Bartek, Avila, Sluggo and Carl Graves. I'm opening up for them on May 12th at The Whiskey!
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink