"Roxy Music" vs. "For Your Pleasure"

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Not just being gratuitous in light of the previous thread, cause this is one of considerable interest to me. I've always held the seemingly heterodox view - though one shared by Brian Eno - that For Your Pleasure, though good, regurgitates too much, melodically, stylistically and structurally, from the first album. "Beauty Queen" = "Would You Believe?", "Editions of You" = "Remake Remodel" with a bit of "Virginia Plain" thrown in, middle bit of "Grey Lagoons" = middle bit of "Would You Believe?" etc. I remember Simon Reynolds hailing "For You Pleasure" the song as their apex, something which especially perplexes me, for I've always found it to be half-baked and interminable. But anyway, I'm sure others differ.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
For Your Pleasure 14
Roxy Music 13


Freedom, Monday, 29 December 2008 19:24 (seventeen years ago)

FYP by a mile

Joe, Monday, 29 December 2008 19:42 (seventeen years ago)

dream home vs if there is something
bogus man vs sea breezes

^^^this is what is sorta comes down to for me

baby got bahn (country matters), Monday, 29 December 2008 19:45 (seventeen years ago)

actually wtf am i chatting, of course FYP is better

baby got bahn (country matters), Monday, 29 December 2008 19:47 (seventeen years ago)

no shit it ISN'T

baby got bahn (country matters), Monday, 29 December 2008 19:48 (seventeen years ago)

but i voted FYP

actually it probably is, but not clear-cut at all

baby got bahn (country matters), Monday, 29 December 2008 19:48 (seventeen years ago)

enlightening music discussion

baby got bahn (country matters), Monday, 29 December 2008 19:53 (seventeen years ago)

reynolds takes the dullard view that because eno is on them, the first two are best, and because the title track on 'fyp' is kind of eno-y, it's the best song. (because eno is a modernist working in a pop band, he must be a good thing, goes the theory.) obviously they improved after eno left.

anyway, do we weigh 'virginia plain' in the balance? wasn't on the original version of the elpee.

Brohan Hari, Monday, 29 December 2008 19:58 (seventeen years ago)

First half of RM beats the first half of FYP, but the second half of FYP beats the second half of RM.

Alex in SF, Monday, 29 December 2008 20:01 (seventeen years ago)

Stranded beats both I think.

Alex in SF, Monday, 29 December 2008 20:01 (seventeen years ago)

FYP all the way.

nonightsweats, Monday, 29 December 2008 21:20 (seventeen years ago)

I've always thought one day I'd have this "A-Ha!" moment about FYP and it still hasn't happened yet.

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 29 December 2008 21:30 (seventeen years ago)

Preferring "For Your Pleasure". My fave out of the first four (the next four all being better).

Geir Hongro, Monday, 29 December 2008 23:18 (seventeen years ago)

Hmmm. I seem to be in the minority. It could be a case of which one you hear first, but RM seems a much more complete, satisfying album. It's more loose and free whereas FYP at its weakest has a certain formulaic flavour to it. What do the FYPophiles view as the source of its superiority?

Freedom, Monday, 29 December 2008 23:34 (seventeen years ago)

Can I say draw? No album with "Do The Strand," "Editions of You," "Strictly Confidential," and "In Every Dream Home A Heartache" is a dud, but after 17 years I still have no use for "The Bogus Man" and the title track, and "Grey Lagoons" is filler. I feel the same about "The Bob," "Would You Believe?" and "Sea Breezes."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 29 December 2008 23:39 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah I'm having second thoughts now. RM is proggier and more unpredictable, certainly. It has more musical variation and more experimentation. I voted for FYP because...because the sequencing is much, much sounder, I guess, fewer loose ends (i.e. none whatsoever) and because it can be listened to and appreciated as an album far more readily. This is very un-me, but FYP DOES have "in every dream home" and "the bogus man" and "for your pleasure" and "editions of you" to its credit, which sound a little more confident, musically coherent and effective than equivalent tracks on the first record.

claudestock carpentinieri (country matters), Monday, 29 December 2008 23:41 (seventeen years ago)

As I said on the other thread, "Sea Breezes" is a masterpiece and I will defend it to death. Probably RM's best song.

claudestock carpentinieri (country matters), Monday, 29 December 2008 23:41 (seventeen years ago)

I prefer the version on Let's Stick Together!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 29 December 2008 23:42 (seventeen years ago)

Oh yeh "Strictly Confidential" is brilliant as well

claudestock carpentinieri (country matters), Monday, 29 December 2008 23:42 (seventeen years ago)

"Sea Breezes" is mentalist brilliance.

Freedom, Monday, 29 December 2008 23:44 (seventeen years ago)

"Do The Strand" is of course unimpeachable, but that barely requires saying.

Freedom, Monday, 29 December 2008 23:46 (seventeen years ago)

Well, exactly. Even the unremarkable FYP tracks are brilliantly-constructed pop songs.

Really surprised I didn't vote for mentalist brilliance but then the first album betrays a vulnerability FYP doesn't have. I dunno. I listen to FYP more than RM and individual tracks from RM more than individual tracks from FYP.

claudestock carpentinieri (country matters), Tuesday, 30 December 2008 00:00 (seventeen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 5 January 2009 00:01 (seventeen years ago)

I've never warmed to Roxy Music -- yes, we can celebrate the genius that it wrought, but as an album, it's dry, often abrasive and definitively annoying. And honestly, I'm with Al: every version on Let's Stick Together is superior to those on the debut, excepting "Re-make/Re-model."

"Grey Lagoons" may be filler, but it has a fucking BLAZING harp solo.

So...For Your Pleasure

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 5 January 2009 08:12 (seventeen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 00:01 (seventeen years ago)

Fair enough.

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 00:28 (seventeen years ago)

Reassured by the narrow margin, but wrongness has still won out.

Freedom, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 18:14 (seventeen years ago)

That sounds like a lyric Eno might have written for Taking Tiger Mountain.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 18:17 (seventeen years ago)

wrongness has won out

Plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 18:25 (seventeen years ago)

Sorta regretting my vote even more now.

REMOVE THEIR EARS (country matters), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 18:28 (seventeen years ago)

Among other things, we're sure.

өөө (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 18:50 (seventeen years ago)


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