What would an ILM list of essential songs, 1945-present, look, without repeating artists? I'd have to guess that "Get Ur Freak On" or "Digital Love" would be the 2001 entry...or would they? Since Douglas has already called Louis Jordan's "(You Dyed Your Hair) Chartreuse" the greatest record ever made here, it would be the 1949 entry. and so on....

that's look LIKE, sorry

and one song per year only, in case you didn't bother reading the Giddins link

Something like this where everyone was assigned a year randomly would be really interesting.

it would; I'm sort of thinking a mix of strongly-felt individual picks (i.e. Douglas on Jordan) and consensus-type stuff (i.e. "Get Ur Freak On" and/or "Digital Love")

Does this board have the facilities to allow us to do this? is so I'd love to give it a go. Why not start in 1941?

"Skyliner" by Harry Barnet and his orchestra.

The ILM canon, at last.

LOL! look at the photo for 1982's entry...

But you've got to admit it "Fuses audacious power with mercuric reflexes"

Kris.

Better yet, could some charitable soul kindly clarify the difference between ILM and ILX?

The X stands in for either the E or the M.

some ideas that come to mind, based on previous threads: for 1977, Althea & Donna's "Uptown Top Ranking." for 1990, My Bloody Valentine's "Soon" (in honor of Ned, among others; "Soon" was released as a single a year before Loveless came out). for 1993, the House Crew, "Euphoria (Nino's Dream)." any others come to mind?

Since Giddens' was done by an individual and he even kind of admits that it shows the mark of that, I think an ILM-done 'road map' would be quite a bit different, and suffer the same kinds of problems that consensus-hunting threads on ILM usually do. Not that that's a reason not to try it, but.

I am guessing The Fall will be nominated for something (or possibly everything). How about "L.A." for '85?
I'd also like to nominate Coltrane's "Naima" for 1959 because that song is the most beautiful thing ever.

Boney M, Rasputin, 1978. Chic, I want your love 1979. Michael Jackson, Billy Jean 1983. The Fall, Wings/Kicker conspiracy, er 1983.

I think I need to think about this a bitmore.

Kris.

for 1993, the House Crew, "Euphoria (Nino's Dream)

Matos i love you! but, perhaps not just 93, it could stand in for all the years.

the only thing with these consensus lists is they all end up very similar

1964 - Past, Present and Future by the Shangri-La's (or is it 1965?)

I think the random year thing would be a great idea for an FT feature, actually! Who's up for it?

I'd be prepared to contribute, as long as I get 1958: "Nel Blu Dipinto Di Blu (Volare)" by Domenico Modoguno.

If we can do albums, I'll nominate both of James Last's Nonstop Party LP's from 1966 and make a case for his medleys as a forerunner of bootlegs & the instant pop-ification of everything.

I'm totally up for any random collaborative FT piece.

1985: "Super Bowl Shuffle," etc.

1991: "Smells Like Teen Spirit"? Or is that too obvious?

Tom: 1966, I think - which is just as well as Dr.C owns 1965, I suspect)(as Robin C owns 1971)

ha ha I am going to grab 1976 while the going's good and annoy the punks:
"More Than A Feeling" - Boston

1988: "Debaser"

1994: "Original Nuttah"

Tom: Yes! I thought of something like that, but didn't want to usurp FT rule....

Patrin: I have no problem at all w/'91 being "Teen Spirit"

1973: "Bennie and the Jets"
1982: "Da Da Da"

A-ha.

So what's the difference between ILE and ILM?

53 feeling good
72 either Virginia plain or hot butter
77 I feel love
78 La freakbr>79 should really be pop music
80 Ace of Spades
81 Love Action
82 Party fears two
83 Let the music play
84 Dr Mabuse
85 never understand
86 panic
87 pump up the volume
88, tricky either voodoo ray or freak scene
89 Oh I dunno, I'll leave the 90's to the youngsters...and the oldsters can fill in the other gaps.

Click on the link that says LUSENET and you will find a whole world or largely irrelevant forums. One of them is I Love Everything, of which ILM is but a spin-off if I understand correctly.

1981: "Genius of Love"

yea, I Love Everything is kind of like a sister forum to this...

2000 (or it may have been 1999) Svefn-G-Englar by Sigur Ros

1966: "Leopard-Skin Pillbox Hat"

2002: "I'm Trying to Break Your Heart"

96 No diggity.

1981 has to be "That's the Joint." Giddins stopped in 2001 so I think this should too; besides, "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart," like the rest of the Wilco record, is a piece of shit

Giddins only stopped at 2001 because he can't travel through time. However, I have been to the end of 2002 and back, and I can tell you that nothing better than the Wilco is going to come out this year.

OH NO YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT
Also, "Can I Get A Soul Clap" is better than "That's The Joint".

(And "The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel" is better than both)

Nate P: no, no and no

or rather, yes, I did say that; and no to the other two

(pout, mope, etc.)

1969: "Pachuco Cadaver"

1998: "...Baby, One More Time", for all the faux-populists in the house.

...If I can add another one from long before I was born, 1951 BELONGS to Wynonie Harris's "Bloodshot Eyes."

Is 1989 gonna be "Love Shack" or "Birdhouse In Your Soul"?

God, I hope neither. "Fight the Power"?

based on last year's top 100 and a couple other things, here's some possibilities for blanks filled in:

1963 The Trashmen, “Surfin’ Bird”
1964 John Coltrane, “Acknowledgement”
1966 The Beach Boys, “God Only Knows”
1969 Glen Campbell, “Wichita Lineman”
1973 Roxy Music, “Virginia Plain”
1975 Judy Collins, “Send in the Clowns”
1977 ABBA, “Dancing Queen” or Donna Summer, “I Feel Love”
1978 Kraftwerk, “The Robots”
1979 Chic, “Good Times”
1985 Madonna, “Into the Groove”
1988 The Pixies, “Debaser”
1990 My Bloody Valentine, “Soon”
1991 Nirvana, “Smells Like Teen Spirit”
1992 The Magnetic Fields, “100,000 Fireflies”
1993 The House Crew, “Euphoria (Nino’s Dream)”
1995 Pulp, “Common People”
1998 Britney Spears, “…Baby One More Time”
2001 Missy Elliott: “Get Ur Freak On”

actually, scratch that last one---here's a list of candidates that encompasses your nominations plus some others I thought of (that were ILM-y, that is):

1949 Louis Jordan, “(You Dyed Your Hair) Chartreuse”
1951 Wynonie Harris, “Bloodshot Eyes”
1958 Domenico Modoguno, “Nel Blu Dipinto Di Blu (Volare)”
1959 John Coltrane, “Naima”
1962 The Trashmen, “Surfin’ Bird”
1964 The Shangri-La’s “Past, Present and Future” or John Coltrane, “Acknowledgement”
1966 Bob Dylan, “Leapord-Skin Pillbox Hat” or The Beach Boys, “God Only Knows”
1969 Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band, “Pachuco Cadaver” or Glen Campbell, “Wichita Lineman”
1971 The Beach Boys, “Til I Die”
1973 Roxy Music, “Virginia Plain”
1974 Elton John, “Bennie and the Jets”
1975 Judy Collins, “Send in the Clowns”
1976 Boson, “More Than a Feeling”
1977 ABBA, “Dancing Queen” or Donna Summer, “I Feel Love” or Althea & Donna, “Uptown Top Ranking”
1978 Boney M, “Rasputin” or Kraftwerk, “The Robots”
1979 Chic, “I Want Your Love” or M, “Pop Muzik” or Chic, “Good Times”
1980 Motorhead, “Ace of Spades”
1981 Human League, “Love Action” or Tom Tom Club, “Genius of Love” or Funky 4 + 1, “That’s the Joint” or Grand Wizard Theodore & the Fantastic Romantic 5, “Can I Get a Soul Clapp ‘Fresh Out the Pack’” or “The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash & the Furious 5”
1982 Trio, “Da Da Da” or Associates, “Party Fears Two”
1983 Michael Jackson, “Billie Jean” or The Fall, “Wings/Kicker Conspiracy”
1984 Shannon, “Let the Music Play”
1985 The Fall, “L.A.” or the Jesus & Mary Chain, “Never Understand” or Madonna, “Into the Groove”
1986 The Smiths, “Panic”
1987 M/A/R/R/S, “Pump Up the Volume”
1988 A Guy Called Gerald, “Voodoo Ray” or Dinosaur Jr., “Freak Scene” or The Pixies, “Debaser”
1989 The B-52’s, “Love Shack” or They Might Be Giants, “Birdhouse in Your Soul” or Public Enemy, “Fight the Power”
1990 My Bloody Valentine, “Soon”
1991 Nirvana, “Smells Like Teen Spirit”
1992 The Magnetic Fields, “100,000 Fireflies”
1993 The House Crew, “Euphoria (Nino’s Dream)”
1994 UK Apachi/Shy FX, “Original Nuttah”
1995 Pulp, “Common People”
1996 Blackstreet, “No Diggity”
1998 Britney Spears, “…Baby One More Time”
1999 Sigur Ros, “Svefn-G-Englar”
2001 Missy Elliott: “Get Ur Freak On”

what y'all think?

I think I'd like to nominate "Sugar Sugar" for 1969, as it's my favorite song. And my favorite year in pop.

Also "Goodbye to Love" for 1972.

1948 should really be the Orioles' "It's Too Soon to Know"

I think I'd like to nominate "Sugar Sugar" for 1969, as it's my favorite song.

Bit of history for you, Arthur! It was the first ever song played by KUCI when it when on the year that very year. :-)

Personally I think "Das Modell" is cooler than "The Robots" and the total lack of Sex Pistols seems baffling given the heavy discussion of 'em lately ("Anarchy in the UK" was '76, right? That over Boston, I think) but other than that it looks pretty good.

Ned-I wish I could get KUCI up here. I can't even get KXLU in my neighborhood, just that snoozy KCRW.

Back to thread: Looks great so far, but I prefer "Don't You Want Me" to "Love Action". I just found a cassette of Dare at a thriftshop a couple of weeks ago, and I'm amazed that I'm still not sick of "Don't You Want Me", despite its being #1 EVERYWHERE for a year.

1997 - Spice Girlies 'Wannabe'

1972 - T. Rex - "Telegram Sam"

1957 - Screamin' Jay Hawkins - "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot"

1987 - Prince - "Housequake"

1968 - Os Mutantes - "Panis et Circenses"

or: 1968 - Serge Gainsbourg - "Bonnie and Clyde"

2000: "Everything in its Right Place" or "Stan"

1954 - The Five Keys - "Ling, Ting, Tong"

As I already said, Shangri-Las is '66 not '64 so you'll have to find another year for Dylan (B.Boys in '71 okay by me, but Robin C may disagree)

Virginia Plain is 1972. Tough choice between that and Arthur's 'Goodbye To Love' of course. A third alternative: "Close to the Edge", all 18 glorious minutes of it!

Anyway, that frees up 1973 - could we have T.Rex there? (i.e. "20th Century Boy")

We seem to have ignored UK punk and post-punk entirely (1980 should really be Joy Division's "Atmosphere". Also, New Order"s "Bizarre Love Triangle" is better for 1986. The Smiths should be bumped to 1983 ("Hand In Glove"), and to ensure MJ is still in there somewher, how about "I Want You Back" by The Jackson 5 for 1970?

1967: something from VU & Nico - "Femme Fatale"?

2002: "Weak Become Heroes", no question.

1967 - the Velvet Underground - "Sister Ray"

The list is looking pretty good but if we're thinking of adding a T.Rex track then It would have to be "Metal Guru" which I think is 1972.

Witcheta lineman is a definite as it is quite clearly the best record ever but what about "Galveston" which I think was the same year? can't we have both or why not add "By the time I get to Phoenix" to complete the trilogy?

Dry the rain by the Beta band (1997) and Roadrunner by Jonathan Richman (1977 I think)

Spice girls, "Wannabe" (1996)

Walkin on sunshine by Rockers revenge (1982)

Was Up town top ranking late 77 or early 78?

1954: Lonnie Donegan Skiffle Group - Rock Island Line
1955: Elvis Presley - Mystery Train
1956: Stan Freberg - Heartbreak Hotel/Rock Island Line

1965 - Smokey and the Miracles - Tracks of My Tears (think I got the right year)

1988 - Poison - Every Rose Has It's Thorn

1974 - Alice Cooper - Teenage Lament '74

Not sure when the Smokey Robinson track was made but it wasn't a hit until 1969 (at least in the UK, not sure about the US) And I've always had a soft spot for that Alice Cooper track.

But Poison? Are you having a bad hair day Jel?

But Freed unit are a pretty good band, especially that "Sounds from the coffin" Cd of a couple of years ago.

That is the reason for your Email address right?

I was being sarcastic about my 89 picks, btw. 1989 guilt...

No, that list seems perfectly sensible with a few problems. Surely 1990 is "Groove Is In The Heart"?

Uptown was 1977. Dancing Queen was 1976.

1984 : Colourbox - Say You

1952 Moondog, "Theme" 1954 Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin, "Every Street's A Boulevard" or Doris Day, "Secret Love" 1958 Huey "Piano" Smith and the Clowns, "Don't You Just Know It?" or Edgar Varese, "Poeme Electronique" 1959 The Flamingoes, "I Only Have Eyes For You" 1962 Chris Kenner, "Land of a Thousand Dances" 1963 Ray Charles, "Ol' Man River"

2000 Sweet Female Attitude, "Flowers"

1957 Milt Franklyn et al., What's Opera Doc? OST (It's only seven minutes so it could count, right?)

Wot no Beatles, of course no one on ILx apart from me likes them. In that case 67 Strawberry fields, or 62 Love me do.

2000 Sweet Female Attitude, "Flowers"

is this the "i'll bring you flowers in the pouring rain/living without you is driving me insane" song?

if so YES.

As I already said, Shangri-Las is '66 not '64 so you'll have to find another year for Dylan

In that case, how about 1965: "Desolation Row"?

Some Motown please!

1968 Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell, "You're All I Need to Get By"

Though, thinking about it, what year was Teenage Kicks?

Tom...like I said Smokey and the Miracles! (it was 1965 by the way)

1966 - Diana Ross and the Supremes - You Can't Hurry Love

1970something - Lynyrd Skynyrd - Sweet Home Alabama (Kris, I sorta came up with the freedunit bit before I knew there was a band of the same now, though I guess it's possible that I'd seen the name somewhere :)...I like their Day Glo album)

Another thought (and stay out of this, Julio): 1970 has to be something from Fun House. "1970" itself, or "T.V. Eye" maybe.

you guys rock. updated possibles list forthcoming!

Wot no Reggae in the 70s? Gotta be room for "Police & Thieves". Or the Specials Ghost Town in 80.

New update, with some semi-final blank-filling inserts by myself [noted in bold:

1945 Joe Liggins, “The Honeydripper”
1946 Lennie Tristano, “What is This Thing Called Love”
1947 Louis Armstrong, “(What Did I Do to Be So) Black and Blue”
1948 The Orioles, "It's Too Soon to Know"
1949 Louis Jordan, “(You Dyed Your Hair) Chartreuse”
1950 Roy Byrd & His Blues Jumpers [a.k.a. Professor Longhair]: “Bald Head”
1951 Wynonie Harris, “Bloodshot Eyes”
1952 Moondog, "Theme"
1953 The “5” Royales, “Laundromat Blues”
1954 The Five Keys, "Ling, Ting, Tong" or Lonnie Donegan Skiffle Group, “Rock Island Line” or Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin, "Every Street's A Boulevard" or Doris Day, "Secret Love"
1955 Elvis Presley, “Mystery Train”
1956 Stan Freberg, “Heartbreak Hotel/Rock Island Line”
1957 Screamin' Jay Hawkins, "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot" or Milt Franklyn et al., What's Opera Doc? OST
1958 Domenico Modoguno, “Nel Blu Dipinto Di Blu (Volare)” or Huey "Piano" Smith and the Clowns, "Don't You Just Know It?" or Edgar Varese, "Poeme Electronique"
1959 The Flamingoes, "I Only Have Eyes For You" or John Coltrane, “Naima”
1960 Karlheinz Stockhausen, “Kontakte (Edit)”
1961 Tod Dockstader, “Apocalypse Pt. 2”
1962 Chris Kenner, "Land of a Thousand Dances" or The Trashmen, “Surfin’ Bird” or the Beatles, “Love Me Do”
1963 Ray Charles, "Ol' Man River"
1964 John Coltrane, “Acknowledgement”
1965 Bob Dylan, “Desolation Row”
1966 The Shangri-La’s “Past, Present and Future” or Bob Dylan, “Leapord-Skin Pillbox Hat” or The Beach Boys, “God Only Knows” or Diana Ross and the Supremes, “You Can't Hurry Love”
1967 The Velvet Underground & Nico, “Femme Fatale” or the Beatles, “Strawberry Fields Forever”
1968 Os Mutantes, "Panis et Circenses" or Serge Gainsbourg, "Bonnie and Clyde" or the Velvet Underground, “Sister Ray” or Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell, "You're All I Need to Get By"
1969 Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band, “Pachuco Cadaver” or Glen Campbell, “Wichita Lineman” or Archies, “Sugar Sugar” or Jackson 5, “I Want You Back”
1970 The Stooges, “1970” or the Stooges, “TV Eye”
1971 The Beach Boys, “Til I Die”
1972 Arthur, “Goodbye to Love” or T. Rex, “Telegram Sam” or Roxy Music, “Virginia Plain” or Yes, “Close to the Edge” or T. Rex, “Metal Guru”
1973 T. Rex, “20th Century Boy”
1974 Elton John, “Bennie and the Jets” or Alice Cooper, “Teenage Lament” or Lynyrd Skynyrd, “Sweet Home Alabama”
1975 Judy Collins, “Send in the Clowns” or Jonathan Richman & the Modern Lovers, “Road Runner (Once)”
1976 Boson, “More Than a Feeling” or the Sex Pistols, “Anarchy in the UK” or the Modern Lovers, “Roadrunner (Twice)” or ABBA, “Dancing Queen” or Junior Murvin, "Police & Thieves"
1977 Donna Summer, “I Feel Love” or Althea & Donna, “Uptown Top Ranking”
1978 Boney M, “Rasputin” or Kraftwerk, “The Robots” or the Undertones, “Teenage Kicks”
1979 Chic, “I Want Your Love” or M, “Pop Muzik” or Chic, “Good Times”
1980 Motorhead, “Ace of Spades” or Joy Division, “Atmosphere”
1981 Human League, “Love Action” or Tom Tom Club, “Genius of Love” or Funky 4 + 1, “That’s the Joint” or Grand Wizard Theodore & the Fantastic Romantic 5, “Can I Get a Soul Clapp ‘Fresh Out the Pack’” or “The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash & the Furious 5” or the Specials, "Ghost Town"
1982 Trio, “Da Da Da” or Associates, “Party Fears Two” or Human League, “Don’t You Want Me” or Michael Jackson, “Billie Jean” or Rockers Revenge, “Walking on Sunshine”
1983 The Smiths, “Hand in Glove” or The Fall, “Wings/Kicker Conspiracy”
1984 Shannon, “Let the Music Play” or Colourbox, “Say You”
1985 The Fall, “L.A.” or the Jesus & Mary Chain, “Never Understand” or Madonna, “Into the Groove”
1986 The Smiths, “Panic” or New Order, “Bizarre Love Triangle”
1987 M/A/R/R/S, “Pump Up the Volume” or Prince, "Housequake"
1988 A Guy Called Gerald, “Voodoo Ray” or Dinosaur Jr., “Freak Scene” or The Pixies, “Debaser” or Poison, “Every Rose Has Its Thorn”
1989 The B-52’s, “Love Shack” or They Might Be Giants, “Birdhouse in Your Soul” or Public Enemy, “Fight the Power”
1990 My Bloody Valentine, “Soon” or Deee-Lite, “Groove Is In the Heart”
1991 Nirvana, “Smells Like Teen Spirit”
1992 The Magnetic Fields, “100,000 Fireflies”
1993 The House Crew, “Euphoria (Nino’s Dream)”
1994 UK Apachi/Shy FX, “Original Nuttah”
1995 Pulp, “Common People”
1996 Blackstreet, “No Diggity” or Spice Girls, “Wannabe”
1997 The Beta Band, “Dry the Rain”
1998 Britney Spears, “…Baby One More Time”
1999 Sigur Ros, “Svefn-G-Englar”
2000 Radiohead, “Everything in Its Right Place” or Eminem, “Stan” or Sweet Female Attitude, “Flowers”
2001 Missy Elliott: “Get Ur Freak On” or Daft Punk, “Digital Love”
2002 The Streets, "Weak Become Heroes" or Wilco, “I Am Trying to Break Your Heart”

I’m not counting “Tears of a Clown” as 1965 because it wasn’t a hit until five years later. Sorry.

If I'm going to make a final push for a few of my choices:

1965: "Downtown" Petula Clarke
1977: "(Nothing But) Flowers" Talking Heads
1978: "Ever Fallen In Love With Someone (You Shouldn't Have Fallen In Love With)?" The Buzzcocks
1982: "Little Red Corvette" Prince
And the lack of nominations for 1999 really makes me want to nominate something that I love but'd get shouted down for for even suggesting...

suggest it anyway

the 1999 remix of 1999 by prince?

BZZZT! sorry, no

1999 - Eminem - "My Name Is", Basement Jaxx - "Red Alert", Prince Paul feat. De La Soul - "More Than U Know", Le Tigre - "Hot Topic"

2002: Holly Valance - Kiss Kiss

Focus Group Winners:

1999 - Eminem - "My Name Is"

2000 - Sisqo - "The Thong Song" and Outkast - "B.O.B"

2001 - Missy Elliot - "Get Ur Freak On" and Basement Jaxx - "Romeo"

2002 - wait and see

Since Michaelangelo had the idea I think his decision should be final on conflicted years, BTW - i.e. no Wilco ha ha.

let me go back on an earlier slip: NO 2002! NONE!

It'd just end up being some damn Ashanti project anyway.

Damn, that list does look good (and pretty representative of the ILM aesthetic). I heart your 1960 choice, Matos. Would that be the Matos edit? ;-)

(There's a performance of "Kontakte" here in Brussels next week actually, with video and stuff being projected at the same time. Karlheinz homself is not involved tho'. I'll probably go and will report back)

Some maniac put together a 6-CD set based on Giddins' list...and Robert Christgau just gave it an A+.

1961- I Can't Help Falling in Love-

ELVIS!

I just traded Matos for a copy of the Giddins Roadmap, it's great. There are some true gems in there that I've not heard like "Mosquito Knees." Totally cool. Maybe Xgau is throwing Giddins some props cuz he'll miss him at the Voice.

now we can debate what gets on for 2003; amazing.

"return to heaven" by comets on fire gets my vote. was the record released in 2002, though? I'm not sure if it was or not. So, in the event that's too soon...

"on fire" by lightning bolt, then. catchy and heavy and CATCHY!! and HEAVY!!! and dancey for all you 'dance music' fans--all music is dance music!

(do i look like a feeb?)

anyone wanna trade trhe Giddins Roadmap with me, say for, Miles Davis Jack Johnson box set ... ? :-)