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i thought this was totally overrated for years, but listening to it now, its actually pretty great. id delete time travellin, 6th sense, a film called pimp, payback is a grandmother, pops rap, and maybe song for assata, but other than that, this is good.

(no resurrection tho)

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 11:14 (eleven years ago) link

you'd delete a film called pimp and payback is a grandmother???

wtf

fuck bein hard, BIG HOOS is complicated (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 11:16 (eleven years ago) link

like those two and "the light" are pretty much all i listen to from this record

fuck bein hard, BIG HOOS is complicated (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 11:16 (eleven years ago) link

i file those 2 under 'common trying to be funny'. my fave songs on this are prob heat, cold blooded and thelonious.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 11:24 (eleven years ago) link

and y'all dont like 6th sense?

just sayin, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 12:11 (eleven years ago) link

i liked this OK when i got it, but really didn't think much of Common's raps, then starting picking the earlier albums with all the No I.D. productions and realized he used to be way better.

some dad (some dude), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 12:55 (eleven years ago) link

it has aged pretty well, though, lotta tracks i'd still bump from this.

some dad (some dude), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 12:55 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i thought he was already falling off a bit with this album (though i didnt even think one day... was as good as resurrection and was basically the start of a lot of the things i dont like about common) - the flows choppier than it used to be. but its still good. and quite a few memorable lines too. im almost tempted to go and reinvestigate be and finding forever.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 14:37 (eleven years ago) link

so much better than anything he did afterwards, great beats all around. if i listen to anything off lwfc these days it's 'cold-blooded'.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 14:53 (eleven years ago) link

"the light" is obv a classic, great sample http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=313

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 14:54 (eleven years ago) link

still... i think i might actually rate can i borrow a dollar more than this album.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 14:58 (eleven years ago) link

all the ones you listed except time travellin are very skippable for me. the rest i dig.

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 15:53 (eleven years ago) link

oh wait, "the questions" is prime filler, too

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 15:54 (eleven years ago) link

Not listened to this in years but I seem to remember 6th Sense and The Light being the best things on it.

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 15:57 (eleven years ago) link

id delete time travellin, 6th sense, a film called pimp, payback is a grandmother, pops rap, and maybe song for assata the entire album, but other than that, this is good.

Fixed.

ilxor, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 15:58 (eleven years ago) link

So good. "Time Travelin" is one of the best tracks.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:08 (eleven years ago) link

Also love "Funky for You" and oh yeah the rest of the album too.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

I think this is Common's second-best album (after Be.) The first few tracks are kind of tedious but from "The Light" on this is a classic.

ablaeser, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 16:27 (eleven years ago) link

Common's second-best album (after Be.)

waht

14 karat gold steen computer wizard (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:51 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, it's totally his first-best album.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:59 (eleven years ago) link

can i put you guys up on this thing called the 1990s real quick

some dad (some dude), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 19:00 (eleven years ago) link

dude i used to hang with the 1990s way back in the day

brother marquis (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 17 March 2009 19:03 (eleven years ago) link

this is his best record

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

no way is 'be' a better album, thats bullshit

i get the arguments for resurrection but its really patchier & way less unique

this album is a classic, the only one that i never was really feeling was 'the questions'

"doin it" is the best track

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 16:58 (eleven years ago) link

per usual titchy is dropping a record number of rongs per minute

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 16:59 (eleven years ago) link

"i get the arguments for resurrection but its really patchier & way less unique"

^^^er, this is the all time biggest wrong. but im guessing lwfc has more sentimental value for you which is why you love it so.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:08 (eleven years ago) link

unique doesnt necessarily = better btw

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

yes but in this case it does

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:27 (eleven years ago) link

resurrection is fairly generic & of its time, lwfc is pretty singular

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:27 (eleven years ago) link

LWFC is "fairly generic & of its time" for a 99-02 era okayplayer/soulquarian album, and there are definitely much better ones.

some dad (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:30 (eleven years ago) link

and fwiw I heard LWFC then One Day then Resurrection, but like them in the opposite order, so I'm not coming from a sentimental value pov.

some dad (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:31 (eleven years ago) link

LWFC is "fairly generic & of its time" for a 99-02 era okayplayer/soulquarian album, and there are definitely much better ones.

― some dad (some dude), Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:30 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not really -- & which ones are 'much better' exactly??

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:32 (eleven years ago) link

its not like it sounds anything like 'voodoo' or something

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:32 (eleven years ago) link

its a pretty unique album & even the roots albums from the era sound totally difft

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:34 (eleven years ago) link

my understanding is that it was done when the roots were recording 'things fall apart' and d'angelo was doing 'voodoo', everyone up in the same studios, and those are better.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:36 (eleven years ago) link

i mean resurrection is also 'generic' in a much broader sense, & i love the record & have a sympathetic attachment to it too (im from chicago for fucks sake) but no i.d.'s tracks are like every mid 90s rapper beats ever -- how many soulquarians albums were there from this period, four?? and only two of them have any kind of case for being 'better' than lwfc (erykah & dangelo) and both of those are R&B records.

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:37 (eleven years ago) link

i like things fall apart but i dont really think its better than this. common is a much better rapper than anyone in the roots

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:37 (eleven years ago) link

the other day on twitter diddy was trying to get everyone to tweet @ talib kweli and get him to make another black star album

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:39 (eleven years ago) link

dice raw >>>>>>> common

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:39 (eleven years ago) link

you don't think Things Fall Apart has any kid of case for being better than Like Water?

xpost - i think LWFC/Electric Circus are low points for Com as an MC even compared to the bland competence of his last couple albums, so yeah I'll rate him below the Roots' MCs in that case

some dad (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:40 (eleven years ago) link

haha any KIND of case

some dad (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:40 (eleven years ago) link

i think the roots mcs took a nose dive after TFA, but there is a lot of hot shit on that album. also it just sounds incredible.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:42 (eleven years ago) link

yeah word

some dad (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:42 (eleven years ago) link

roots are just way better than common overall IMO.

brother marquis (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:45 (eleven years ago) link

i dont really think of it as a neo soul/rap album but if you want some similarly nice warm rhodesd out hip hop then slum villages fantastic vol 2 album does that generally better than lwfc.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

"resurrection is fairly generic & of its time"

those are both very respectable qualities.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:57 (eleven years ago) link

Of course you can make a case for that but one record hardly makes lwfc 'generic' or something, which was your point al. I like the roots on the whole better than com but lwfc was his artistic peak imo. Not sure why folks are shitting on him lyrically on this record either - he kills cold blooded and doin it and heat. And titchy sounds insane putting dilla's group home on the same ground as common in 00 never mind ahead of him.

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

Yall are letting titchy's arbitrary challops and yr distaste for gap hoody ads - or in al's case, challopsistic defenses of gap hoody era com - distort year view of this multi faceted, beautifully produced record

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:23 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i dunno i just recall that album being the beginning of Com's tendency toward awkward pauses and line breaks. but obviously we have different views of his catalog, when all is said and done i do like the record and would still rate it as one of my favs from that year.

xpost

some dad (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:24 (eleven years ago) link

isn't his gap hoodie era more like Be/Finding Forever? i wasn't even saying anything about those records.

some dad (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:24 (eleven years ago) link

i mean i guess i said he was more competent in that era, but i don't know if i actually like those records more.

some dad (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:25 (eleven years ago) link

real talk though deej what do you think of Electric Circus? because based on the negative buzz and my mixed feelings about LWFC I never really even sat down and heard the whole thing, but i'm curious what yr take is.

some dad (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:29 (eleven years ago) link

i'm not deej but it's terrible. there are a couple of beats i wouldn't mind hearing again though.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:47 (eleven years ago) link

hey dudes we should all adopt LOL common lyrics as our display names! who's with me?...............anyone?

My daughter found Nemo, I found the new Primo (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

nah

i'm grand like auto theft 3 (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:52 (eleven years ago) link

lol

real rappers is hard to find like a remote................control (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:55 (eleven years ago) link

I'm with some dude, _Resurrection_ is Common's best record hands down. I like LWFC quite a bit, but I similarly concur with some dude that as an MC it's one of Common's worst records (the only ones worse being _Finding Forever_ and _Electric Circus_, abominations both).

deej, you might be right about No I.D.'s beats, but they suit Common perfectly on that album. They're not too ostenatious, but their jazziness is very Chicago in feeling, and they work really well when Common is rapping fast and nimble. The opener is the best example of this, as that piano and the scratches complement his rapping PERFECTLY.

talrose, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:56 (eleven years ago) link

Also, I like "Common Sense" MUCH better than "Common." Having to change that name was bogues.

talrose, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:57 (eleven years ago) link

yeah fuckin ska band

btw damn it's difficult to pick just one lyric from "come close"

we're dealing with this water love, you even give my daughter love (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:58 (eleven years ago) link

Two other reasons _Resurrection_ is a winner, no contest: Ynot Nevertheless and Mista Sinister.

talrose, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:59 (eleven years ago) link

dammit this one is too long for a display name but a good un:

I’m your worst nightmare squared/That’s double for niggas who ain’t mathematically aware

My daughter found Nemo, I found the new Primo (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:28 (eleven years ago) link

yeah but that's Bus dumbness on a Com track

i kind of laugh when you cuss at me, the aftermath is you touchin me (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:29 (eleven years ago) link

I love the handwave argument for that line, basically that if you aren't mathematically aware, you think x^2 and 2x are the same thing.

Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:30 (eleven years ago) link

I love the phrase "mathematically aware" full stop

i kind of laugh when you cuss at me, the aftermath is you touchin me (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

canibus is just a hoot, i love that nutcase.

Focused like Gordon Parks when it's sorta dark (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:36 (eleven years ago) link

I think I'm gonna focus on LWFC lyrics now just to see if it irks deej

righteousness is narrow/ I got my third/ eye on the sparrow (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:38 (eleven years ago) link

hahaha^^that's a classic one

Focused like Gordon Parks when it's sorta dark (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:40 (eleven years ago) link

doing lines from that lily allen song seems too easy

be on the treadmill - uh! - like OK GO (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:44 (eleven years ago) link

hahaha real talk the beat on that song was great but yeah so many lol lines

as far as happy, yo it's like a trigger to me (some dude), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 19:45 (eleven years ago) link

I think if com hadn't fallen off so hard after lwfc folks would look at it a lot more fondly; just because he dumbed his style down further after didn't mean it shouldn't have been straightened out as the times changed. His first record sounds awful & I dare anyone to say its better than lwfc. he's beyond corny on that joint. Even on resurrection his flow is real 90s sounding, and 'I stagger in the gathering' verse is classic but I don't see how it's any less embarrassing than most of his verses on lwfc. I'm from Chicago but to me Chicago sound is like adrenaline rush. The Philly sound was more singular w com's rhymes in a way that wouldn't have worked for most rappers. Who would u rather see rapping on the lwfc beats?

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Thursday, 19 March 2009 02:27 (eleven years ago) link

honestly? maybe pharoahe monche or mos def at the time? but i agree that he never had better beats than on lwfc.

i'm grand like auto theft 3 (Jordan), Thursday, 19 March 2009 03:38 (eleven years ago) link

rap threads without ethan feel like substitute teacher days in grade school.

i'm grand like auto theft 3 (Jordan), Thursday, 19 March 2009 03:39 (eleven years ago) link

he IMed me a bunch of st0rmfront links tonight, you can just assume he'd find some way to work those into this thread if he was here

hoosie bad azz (some dude), Thursday, 19 March 2009 03:47 (eleven years ago) link

^^ sorry feel free to googleproof that

hoosie bad azz (some dude), Thursday, 19 March 2009 03:47 (eleven years ago) link

Lol Ethan as the krs 1 of ilx

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Thursday, 19 March 2009 08:08 (eleven years ago) link

Real talk tho he would just link to copywrite - that's a wrap.mp3 for the 43rd time

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Thursday, 19 March 2009 08:11 (eleven years ago) link

"dilla's group home"

that would be frank n dank. sv is like dilla's gangstarr.

i still dont get why 'of its time' and 'real 90s sounding' work against resurrection. you could say the same for illmatic.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 19 March 2009 08:20 (eleven years ago) link

sc marley marle

DUTCH EMINEM (usic), Thursday, 19 March 2009 08:21 (eleven years ago) link

it only works as a criticism if you just dont like that mid 90s sound and imho, when resurrection it came out, it def wasnt thought of as 'generic'. its obv mining the same kinda jazzy samples as a lot of other ppl in that era but what no id/ynot etc came up was pretty individual, or at least perfectly in sync with what common was rapping about. def inspired, either way.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 19 March 2009 08:41 (eleven years ago) link

youre misreading me u tard

i think resurrection is a great record -- i have no problem with that mid 90s sound

i just think that lwfc is a much more singular record, because it is. no that doesnt make it INHERENTLY better but i never said that it did -- just that i prefer it /pull it out more often for that reason

his verses have always had pretty wince-worthy lines whether it was 'bitch as missy' on lwfc or 'grammatics that are masculine' on resurrection. his flow was more 90s acrobatic on resurrection so if u prefer that aesthetic yeah yr gonna prefer resurrection but on balance i dont think theres really anything about that record that is somehow superior to lwfc & at least lwfc doesnt really sound like any other rap record, incl the other soulquarian records from the time

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Thursday, 19 March 2009 18:10 (eleven years ago) link

rap threads without ethan feel like substitute teacher days in grade school.

― i'm grand like auto theft 3 (Jordan), Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:39 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no doubt.

be on the treadmill - uh! - like OK GO (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 19 March 2009 18:17 (eleven years ago) link

Don't think I ever really liked common after this album

WOOKIE JOHNSON (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2009 18:25 (eleven years ago) link

his verses have always had pretty wince-worthy lines whether it was 'bitch as missy' on lwfc or 'grammatics that are masculine' on resurrection. his flow was more 90s acrobatic on resurrection so if u prefer that aesthetic yeah yr gonna prefer resurrection but on balance i dont think theres really anything about that record that is somehow superior to lwfc & at least lwfc doesnt really sound like any other rap record, incl the other soulquarian records from the time

yeah, but it sounds like a bunch of other R&B records from the same time, and I'd much rather put on Voodoo or Mama's Gun than Common's third-best album, which hasn't really aged that well (Great beginning, some hot jams in the middle, ending is fucking sloooooow).

I'm from Chicago as well, and honestly the only thing that comes to mind when I think of growing up there is R. Kelly and 2Pac, which was just about all I heard on the radio growing up (and even, to an extent, when I go home to visit, whether it's the fact that they still rock the R constantly or that they play the shit out of 2Pac's Greatest Hits on GCI's Old School Sundays or whenever). Chicago is a musically fecund city and so you will inevitably hear lots of music with lots of different perspectives.

Anyways, the way that Resurrection evokes Chicago is mostly in its selection of beats, which rely heavily on old jazz and soul records that were pretty ubiquitous--maybe not on the radio--but in drugstores and diners and bodegas. I wasn't hearing Twista or Do or Die--those were very much regional (and regional within Chicago) rap records--so the way Common is able to evoke a Chicago aura is also very similar to the way he invokes a rich sense of tradition and history, rather than the endless polemics and junior college "philosophy" that he raps about now. Whether or not you feel that '90s b-boy academic style, it's, linguistically, infinitely more interesting and captivating than practically anything he's done since.

talrose, Thursday, 19 March 2009 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

u forgot about bone thugs -- that shit was everywhere

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Thursday, 19 March 2009 19:16 (eleven years ago) link

Also, your line "Chicago sound is like..."; Adrenaline Rush should probably be replaced by Mobstability.

talrose, Thursday, 19 March 2009 19:19 (eleven years ago) link

NO CRUCIAL CONFLICT NO CREDIBILITY!

be on the treadmill - uh! - like OK GO (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 19 March 2009 19:21 (eleven years ago) link

^always loved them for weirdly having a mid-80s hardcore band name for some reason.

be on the treadmill - uh! - like OK GO (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 19 March 2009 19:21 (eleven years ago) link

I'd love to rep for CC or DoD, but the Twista albums slay both of them, on the whole.

I regret slagging junior college students above--I was mostly referring to a certain strain of junior college student that's all over Chicago; didactic, weed-blazing (dudes mostly) who have ridiculous and misinformed superiority complexes.

talrose, Thursday, 19 March 2009 19:25 (eleven years ago) link

rolling autogoon thread 2009

yo random chicago dude check out our rolling rap music thread

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Thursday, 19 March 2009 19:56 (eleven years ago) link

Also, your line "Chicago sound is like..."; Adrenaline Rush should probably be replaced by Mobstability.

― talrose, Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:19 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i meant the single. traxter in general

@diplo DUB STEP!! GET DA FUCK UP!!! (deej), Thursday, 19 March 2009 19:57 (eleven years ago) link

xpost - fucknuts, it doesnt really sound like any other rap record of the time but who cares? it sounds like plenty neo soul records of the time. which isnt really what i want from a common record. you know something is wrong when dangelos album has an overall tougher sonic aesthetic than commons album.

common was already going a little bit soft on one day which is fine as his flow was still limber but he got more stilted on lwfc and overall i think that the move from chicago where he was not 'accepted' by all his heroes hurt him a little - as soon as he got the ok from de la, tribe and co on the one day album he lost something. also, i think hes just better working with more standard boom bappy producers whether it be ynot, no id, doug infinite or even kanye, rather than dilla, even though i do like the unusualness of tracks like cold blooded and heat.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 19 March 2009 22:10 (eleven years ago) link

eleven years pass...

i love the shit out of this album, especially the warm and languid second-half. 'song for assata' might be the most poyser-ific song of the entire soulquarians period. i think this one has my favorite pops rap too.

fauci wally (voodoo chili), Monday, 6 April 2020 17:29 (one month ago) link

this is the only common record i care about any more but his voice just kinda grates on me now since he starting doing all those annoying poetry commercials. Heat is one of my fav dilla beats.

Spottie, Monday, 6 April 2020 18:03 (one month ago) link

i still think his voice sounds great in the right context, and few rappers could lock into dilla rhythms like he did. i agree it can be hard to put the gap commercials/songs from selma/general corniness

this alb in particular has plenty of instrumental hooks/licks that you can pay attention to instead of the lyrics lol.

fauci wally (voodoo chili), Monday, 6 April 2020 18:09 (one month ago) link

yeah i guess i just dont need to listen to him for a while. wait til all these commercials (the microsoft one is still on all the time) run their course and then revisit at some point.

i miss beats that sound like nag champa.

Spottie, Monday, 6 April 2020 18:16 (one month ago) link

guess I've avoided all those commercials. only thing I seen him do lately was the all star game intro and that was pretty cheesy.
totally surprised me that Dilla basically looped a 1 yr old song to make "Heat".

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 6 April 2020 18:33 (one month ago) link

i used to have the instrumentals for this on vinyl. shit was dope. still my favorite common album. soulquarian apex.

'nag champa' comes from here because james yancey was extremely brilliant. but ya'll already knew that.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 04:41 (one month ago) link

so going back and reading the origins of this topic, here's some thoughts. . .

i bought every common album from resurrection thru finding forever on its` release date. up to, and including, electric circus he was my favorite music maker, full stop. like water for chocolate was the peak of my interest in him, so i can't really judge it objectively. it was such a watershed record for me when it came out. it introduced, and simultaneously solidified, so many things that i still hold onto as a music fan.

that said: if you're just talking common at his peak as a rapper, it was the beginning of his decline.

but musically? that didn't fucking matter.

this and electric circus are immaculately produced records. regardless of how you feel about the lyrical content of those albums, the beats —which it feels reductive to even refer to them as that— are stellar. top gear, all the way, all the time.

i stopped paying attention after universal mind control. the bigger they are, the harder they etc., etc.

here's how i'd rank the ones that were on my radar:

1. like water for chocolate
2. resurrection
3. one day it'll all make sense
4. electric circus
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5. can i borrow a dollar?
6. be
7. finding forever
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8. universal mind control

i've heard a song or two from things past that and it seems like really corny adult contempo hiphop. i mean, i guess it could be argued that that's what he had been doing ever since like water for chocolate. but those newer ones just feel kind of soulless. and as near as i can tell, he's become especially repetitious. it's lost a bit of its` lustre after the nth iteration.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 06:36 (one month ago) link


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