The Hole 'Celebrity Skin' Poll & Discussion

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You did it with 'Live Through This', now do it with 'Celebrity Skin'.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Awful 4
Malibu 3
Petals 2
Playing Your Song 1
Boys on the Radio 1
Celebrity Skin 1
Hit So Hard 1
Dying 0
Northern Star 0
Reasons to be Beautiful 0
Heaven Tonight 0
Use Once & Destroy 0


JLX, Friday, 29 May 2009 12:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

Three way tie between "Awful", "Malibu" and "Boys On The Radio".

Love this album so much.

Tim F, Friday, 29 May 2009 12:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

Those were my exact choices as well, but I finally settled with Boys on the Radio.

Such a great album.

JLX, Friday, 29 May 2009 12:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

Awful! Love this album so much.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 29 May 2009 12:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

have to vote "awful" since i know for sure it's the one i hit repeat on most. but yeah, much love. my favorite thing billy corgan's ever been involved in.

would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 May 2009 13:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

title track is total killer too. opens the album like a cannonade.

would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Friday, 29 May 2009 13:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

Not enough love for "Playing Your Song," which I contend has the most awesome "fuckin'" in rock. And what a yowl on the chorus!

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 May 2009 13:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

i'm thinking malibu or reasons to be beautiful

hugging used to mean something (call all destroyer), Friday, 29 May 2009 13:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

this was a big album for 8th-grade me

hugging used to mean something (call all destroyer), Friday, 29 May 2009 13:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

what's the "miles and miles of perfect skin" song again.

baaderonixx, Friday, 29 May 2009 13:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

?

baaderonixx, Friday, 29 May 2009 13:37 (eight years ago) Permalink

RTBB

hugging used to mean something (call all destroyer), Friday, 29 May 2009 13:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

"Boys On The Radio" has probably emerged as my favorite over time... the trem on the chorus, the moment on the bridge where it all hangs suspended for a beat...

also this video because despite overdramatic lyrical revision you can actually see with yr naked eye the WAVES OF CRAZY coming off her

but it would be a damn shame if "Reasons To Be Beautiful" goes voteless so maybe that.

weirdest thing is how a nice young man like erlandson got mixed up in all this

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 29 May 2009 13:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

such a great album. 'malibu' is my default answer but it could be so many others at any given point.

lex pretend, Friday, 29 May 2009 15:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

voting for "petals" but really, could be "malibu" or "boys on the radio" as well. love this album

daria-g, Friday, 29 May 2009 19:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

HE'S DRUNK / HE TASTES LIKE CANDY / HE'S SO BEAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTIFUL / HE'S SO DEEP / LIKE DIRTY WATER / GOD HE'S AWFUL

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Monday, 15 August 2011 14:14 (six years ago) Permalink

how many references to candy are there on this album exactly? counting the part on the title track where she complains "it's all so sugarless".

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Monday, 15 August 2011 14:17 (six years ago) Permalink

i voted for the winning option, but in retrospect i realize it's a song title and not the description of the album i most agree with

forkshighwaytopoopon (some dude), Monday, 15 August 2011 14:19 (six years ago) Permalink

you should have thrown "use once & destroy" a vote

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Monday, 15 August 2011 14:22 (six years ago) Permalink

I wish I didn't hate Courtney's voice so much, I greatly respect the things she did with Hole even if I never ever want to hear them

CLUB PISCOPO (DJP), Monday, 15 August 2011 14:27 (six years ago) Permalink

I was in a bad mood yesterday so I flew down PCH blasting TI's "What You Know" on a loop and then put this on once I got to Malibu, because duh. The back end works really during dusk/sunset.

As a native Los Angeleno this is still my favorite album about L.A. (it helps that I was 17 and just driving when this came out). The numerous refs to candy are completely in line with her view of the city, all sensory pleasure that disguises deep rot and decay--not for nothing that soon after this Hollywood success she'd spiral into coke and crack. Courtney is such a great chronicler of Los Angeles, but I won't forgive her for ruining "Pacific Coast Highway" (at least the demo remains stunning).

one big boob fulla bad stitches (billy), Monday, 15 August 2011 14:44 (six years ago) Permalink

IT'S FUCKIN WONDERFUL THEY SOLD YOU OUT

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 August 2011 14:50 (six years ago) Permalink

that "fuckin wonderful" god, what a great singer

one big boob fulla bad stitches (billy), Monday, 15 August 2011 14:52 (six years ago) Permalink

Not enough love for "Playing Your Song," which I contend has the most awesome "fuckin'" in rock. And what a yowl on the chorus!

― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, May 29, 2009 9:17 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 August 2011 15:00 (six years ago) Permalink

best backing vocals of the '90s: melissa auf der maur

the harmonies are the rich hidden text of this record

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Monday, 15 August 2011 15:27 (six years ago) Permalink

word Auf der Mar was so good I wanted to buy her solo record on principle, then I heard the single and no longer wanted to. Her vocals on this sound like waves at Leo Carillo.

one big boob fulla bad stitches (billy), Monday, 15 August 2011 15:35 (six years ago) Permalink

whatev northern star is sweet

fauxmarc, Monday, 15 August 2011 15:40 (six years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

saw the patty schemel doc the other day, it's great. the story about the producer for this record making her do re-takes over and over for two weeks so that she would quit and he could bring in deen castronovo was crazy.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:44 (five years ago) Permalink

billy upthread otm re. this album and LA.
We also had a pretty good discussion here:
Recommend me something similar to Hole's 'Celebrity Skin'

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 09:52 (five years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

i watched the patty schemel documentary, which was pretty good but the whole time i was kind of like "why does this movie exist?"

that shit about the asshole producer of celebrity skin was crazy.

william tyler the creator (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:04 (four years ago) Permalink

i started to watch this, thinking the same question, but turned it off after 5 seconds, when she pointed at a graveyard from the tour bus like it was an amazing moment of profound spiritual meaning

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:07 (four years ago) Permalink

i mean, it was kinda good! i guess. there was some cool footage of kurt cobain just being goofy and stuff, lots of video of what the 90s really looked like.

she seems like a nice person overall, as did Erik from Hole and Roddy from Faith no More

william tyler the creator (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:08 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

uhm not sure where to put this but this is pretty cool footage (even if publicizing it may be less cool, I don't know if CL cares) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-xUwDARVb4

niels, Thursday, 2 October 2014 15:56 (three years ago) Permalink

that's the worst guitar playing I've ever heard – unless she's going for Arto Lindsay.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:12 (three years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

hey this is the best album ever

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:13 (two years ago) Permalink

HE'S SO DEEP
LIKE DIRTY WATER

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:40 (two years ago) Permalink

If only she sang every Corgan song

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 19:14 (two years ago) Permalink

BEST. ALBUM. OF. MY. LIFE.
really.

malibu and boys on the radio are favs, but i have a deep admiration for heaven tonight as well.

Nourry, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 00:06 (two years ago) Permalink

"Malibu" and "boys on the radio" for me too but that drumming on "awful" doe

Tim F, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 00:10 (two years ago) Permalink

best backing vocals of the '90s: melissa auf der maur

the harmonies are the rich hidden text of this record

― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Monday, 15 August 2011 15:27 (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Tim F, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 00:12 (two years ago) Permalink

miles and miles of perfect skin

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 00:24 (two years ago) Permalink

I love how this album hires Billy Corgan to write songs about feminine lust.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 00:25 (two years ago) Permalink

Not sure much of that is Billy. The lyrics seem pretty pure Courtney to me. So many great lines on this record.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:43 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm referring to the music.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:53 (two years ago) Permalink

actually the best songs are Erlandson-Love.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 15:54 (two years ago) Permalink

Ah, right. Yeah, I've always thought Billy's role on this album was exaggerated (mostly by him). He's obviously part of it, but not much of it really sounds like him.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:02 (two years ago) Permalink

Erlandson definitely the unsung hero of Hole.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:03 (two years ago) Permalink

That sequence from "Boys on the Radio" to "Playing Your Song" is immense.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:05 (two years ago) Permalink

It's too bad Michael Beinhorn was such a jerk to Patty Schemel, but he sure made the record sound amazing.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 16:16 (two years ago) Permalink

i don't if i ever read a decent review/thinkpiece about this record. It deserves.

Nourry, Thursday, 21 May 2015 03:51 (two years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

we don't talk about this album enough

call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 May 2016 23:09 (one year ago) Permalink

IT'S FUCKIN WONDERFUL THEY SOLD YOU OUT

― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, August 15, 2011

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 May 2016 23:13 (one year ago) Permalink

idk what i was talking about with the poll; "dying" and "use once and destroy" is def my favorite section of this record

call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 May 2016 23:21 (one year ago) Permalink

brad was right of course, great harmonies record. great guitar record too.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 May 2016 23:43 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I realized a few weeks ago that this album will be 20 next year, and if anything deserves a big anniversary retrospective it does. So I've started a blog to go through the 12 songs, one each month.

https://celebrityhole.wordpress.com/

My wife's going to write at least one (she claimed "Awful") and there are a few that I feel strongly about myself (title track, Boys on the Radio), but if anyone wants to contribute a 500-1000 word entry on a song of your choice, hit me up -- jmayshark AT geemail. I haven enough thoughts about the album to write them all myself, but I'm also partial to group projects.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 30 December 2017 15:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

how many references to candy are there on this album exactly?
so many, and when you add in the "sugar coma"/"boys on the radio factor" i think the whole thing is about sweetness and decay and boys

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 30 December 2017 15:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

oops i put the quotation marks in the wrong place
i don't want to write 1000 words about any of the songs but i do have feelings about it

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 30 December 2017 15:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

also i love her singing -- it's so expressive
maybe not pretty but very expressive. "malibu" almost always makes me cry.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 30 December 2017 15:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah I think she's hugely underrated as a singer. Will definitely get into that in zee blog.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 30 December 2017 15:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

there were a few albums that came out around the same time that had a similar sugar-pop-leaning -- GBV had Do the Collapse (with a song on the Buffy sdtk iirc?), Wilco released Summer Teeth (featuring "Candy Floss", another song about candy) -- I'm sure there were others. On a personal level, I was just meeting and getting to know my partner (<3) which I think adds to the sweetness/sugar coma feeling of these albums for me.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 30 December 2017 15:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Great idea, tipsy!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 December 2017 15:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I listened to this loads at the time but now it's mainly Awful that sticks in my head <3

20 years tho

can't hear 'miles and miles of perfect skin' without instead thinking 'miles and miles of carpet tiles'

kinder, Saturday, 30 December 2017 16:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Around the time “Awful” came out I went to a nightclub for fun for like, the 2nd time in my life. It was one of those alternative-music nights called like, Clockwork Orange or something.

Anyway they played Awful & i just remember being thrilled by the poppiness of it & how new it sounded, and how great Courtney sounded too. No-one was dancing & I had the dancefloor to myself & i just lost myself in the song, it felt so good. Man I love that song.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 December 2017 17:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

HE TASTES LIKE CANDY

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 December 2017 17:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

aw that is a sweet memory VG!!

i have a lot of memories around this time -- it's kind of hard for me to separate them from the songs

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 30 December 2017 17:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"Awful" was great then, and just gets better with age.

clemenza, Saturday, 30 December 2017 18:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

First proper blog entry is up -- https://celebrityhole.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/1-celebrity-skin/. One of my favorite album openers of all time.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 13 January 2018 14:25 (three days ago) Permalink

(I didn't even get to some of my favorite lines in the song, because I realized I could write a paragraph each on nearly every one.)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 13 January 2018 14:33 (three days ago) Permalink

Reasons to be Beautiful deserves a vote!

This album has really withstood the test of time huh? Listening to it right now and it’s so good. Also a good document on where alt rock and the music industry was at the end of the 90’s, huge budget, glossy production and Love becoming finally a big, mainstream rockstar.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:27 (three days ago) Permalink

yeah it still sounds so warm & ~lush~

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 13 January 2018 17:52 (three days ago) Permalink


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