TS: 'Blues for Allah' vs. 'Juju Music'

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dave q, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Unfortunately the Dead's hippie ethic (i.e. 'quality control = oppression so EVERYBODY in the collective gets their stupid songs on vinyl") means that 'BFA' is unfortunately marred by "The Music Never Stopped", probably the worst song ever played, sung, or recorded. But enough of the bad vibes, man.

dave q, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Blues for Allah is maybe my favorite Dead album. It's jazz! It's prog! It's, oh well, hippied-out! And "The Music Never Stopped" is fab compared to "France", luckily not on this album (Donna was fine performing space whisper, er, shriek; less fine singing her own songs).

What's Juju Music?

Sean, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Time and time again I get people telling me but you'll like_this_dead_album!! No No everything is bad!! My answer: Happy Trails

brg30, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

King Sunny Ade's guitar playing kicked as much ass as Garcia's ever did, and he had a better multipercussion unit to boot. So Juju Music.

M Matos, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yes, King Sunny Ade; turns out I have that album too. Haven't played it in maybe 15 years. Was the point of the question the comparison of their guitar styles?

Sean, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

thirteen years pass...

I'm studying up on Blues for Allah because I recently ordered One From the Vault. The opening three song medley is as good as anything the Dead ever did, I'd reckon.

Juju Music is the only King Sunny Ade album I have. Any recs on where to go from there?

Austin, Monday, 9 November 2015 23:49 (ten years ago)

Synchro System

Comme Si, Kamasi (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 00:02 (ten years ago)

Cool, listening now. 'Maajo' jams!

Austin, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 00:34 (ten years ago)

juju, synchro are two of the trilogy with the island records guy producing--the real heads (of whom i am not one) go from there to listening to nigerian releases, which would have side-long performances rather than song-length ones; i've never durst look into all that

this is a good dave q thread, it coulda done better than this:

What's Juju Music?

― Sean, Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:00 AM (13 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thwomp (thomp), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 01:03 (ten years ago)

'blues for allah' has v few songs to like as songs rather than as 'things for the dead to play' -- 'music never stopped' surely the nadir of barlow/weir, 'help on the way' is a lovely thing for garcia to sing i guess but enh, 'franklin's tower' has a first-class meaningless hippyism from hunter: 'whichever way / your pleasure tends / if you plant ice / you're gonna harvest wind' -- i mean there's something remarkable about the role of lyrics that sound like they're offering you some kind of comprehensible advice but could really just be a buncha syllabic noises

thwomp (thomp), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 01:10 (ten years ago)

otoh 'ja funmi' is the best album opener ever

thwomp (thomp), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 01:10 (ten years ago)

like my total comprehension of the non-english words on juju music is that 'ja funmi' = 'fight for me' and yet i already feel like i have more comprehension of what that song is about than all of the songs on blues for allah

thwomp (thomp), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 01:13 (ten years ago)

Besides like maybe three or four songs, if you're listening to the Dead for lyrical masterpieces you're surely missing the point.

Austin, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 01:18 (ten years ago)

i didn't know that was why i was listening to them, thank you for correcting my error

thwomp (thomp), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 01:43 (ten years ago)

king sunny ade is at least twice the guitarist jerry is

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 03:27 (ten years ago)

help on the way is one of their more gorgeous and smarter studio efforts -- that "yeah" gets me every time. even though the song really stretches live, there's no version I know of that gets that chilly breath of wind at that point

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 04:01 (ten years ago)

Bob Weir's tone on 'Help/Slipknot!' is oddly reminiscent of Robert Smith's tone on Seventeen Seconds. It must have to do with the phase/flange (?) he's using. Someone with more knowledge of effects can probably school me.

Love that tone, in any case.

Austin, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 16:36 (ten years ago)

i was listening to this again as i drifted off to sleep last night and for the first time i felt weir's "c'mon children! c'mon children! won't you clap your hands?" as actually chilling, i think this may be key to tolerating 'the music never stopped'

also i was momentarily convinced that godchaux was mvp in making the 'help / slipknot' transition work

thwomp (thomp), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 03:17 (ten years ago)

one year passes...

BFA

calstars, Sunday, 11 June 2017 00:22 (nine years ago)

Never heard this Dead album (I've heard about a half dozen of their discs, mostly live stuff from '69-72), but Ade's Island Records trilogy - Juju Music, Synchro System (my personal favorite) and Aura - are fucking immortal classics.

Never saw the Grateful Dead live, either, but I saw King Sunny Ade in 1990 - the show started at 8 PM and ended at 4 AM.

So yeah, Juju Music all the way.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 11 June 2017 00:34 (nine years ago)

I'd take a compilation of side one of each album.

Now, deciding which side one would now become side two is the real problem.

Austin, Sunday, 11 June 2017 01:08 (nine years ago)

wayne shorter

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Sunday, 11 June 2017 01:13 (nine years ago)

otoh 'ja funmi' is the best album opener ever

― thwomp (thomp), Monday, November 9, 2015

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 June 2017 01:24 (nine years ago)

one year passes...

Man the *drumming* on Help/Slipknot!

Still going with Juju Music though.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 27 May 2019 15:16 (seven years ago)

two years pass...

bump for the p4k review but also for being a crucial music rabbit-hole thread during my years here

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 12 December 2021 08:04 (four years ago)

wow i have no recollection of ever posting on this topic before.

otoh 'ja funmi' is the best album opener ever

― thwomp (thomp), Monday, November 9, 2015 5:10 PM

also this is totally otm.

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Sunday, 12 December 2021 17:25 (four years ago)


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