carole king - singist or writer

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which is better - carole king the writer or the singer

born clippy, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Without a doubt the songwriting comes first.

She was writing songs for years before she took recording her own songs seriously. Her 1962 hit "It might as well rain until september" was actually just a demo she made to demonstrate the song (as she did for most of her early 60's hits) but the A&R thought it sounded perfect as it was and released it under her own name...

baxter wingnut, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

She doesn't technically have a good voice, but it's really does suit her material.. on her early 70's albums especially...

baxter wingnut, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm with Baxter. I think there are a bunch of good questions today; funny hardly anybody's answering them.

Sean, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i prefer her as a songwriter. as far as her singing career went, i only really like "it might as well rain until september", "its too late", and "i feel the earth move".

di, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Footnote to Baxter Wingnut's response - I've read somewhere that the reason she didn't pursue a singing career before the early '70s was that she suffered from fairly extreme stage fright.

Footnote for the young people: in the olden days, acts were supposed to do live shows (in the really olden days, records were virtually recordings of live performances). Cf. the early days of the Beatles, Elvis, Etc.

Tim Bateman, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks dad.

keith, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Given that she wrote one of the all-time few greatest ever pop songs (Will You Love Me Tomorrow), as well as (You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman and Oh No Not My Baby and Pleasant Valley Sunday and One Fine Day and Every Breath I Take, and was only a pretty decent singer, this is a no contest.

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
will you love me tomorrow is the greatest song written in the past 40 years i think sometimes, for example now.

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 2 July 2004 07:08 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Carole King: Classic or I'm Turning Into My Parents?

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 25 July 2005 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Most of the titles listed here were cowritten with Gerry Goffin. I've always admired the lady for her ability to write a catchy melody. Those 60s hits were, for the most part, some of the most soundly written and recorded pop tunes I've ever heard.

Then there's Tapestry - over 10 million copies sold. I kinda enjoy her voice, but yeah, writer.

jim wentworth (wench), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 01:02 (fourteen years ago) link

There's something reassuring and reliably average about her voice; it evokes your mom singing Joni Mitchell's "Help Me" in the kitchen. I grew hearing Tapestry around the house so maybe that's where my love comes from. "It's Too Late" has some of the same virtues I associate with Christine McVie, although the latter had better pipes: domesticity at a price, thanks to a love for nookie on the side.

(and Martika's cover of "I Feel The Earth Move" is, like, tremor-inducing)

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 01:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I was listening to Tapestry yesterday, and her lyrics always make me stop & kind of wonder at how good a writer she really is...I love her voice, but I think it may be because it lends itself to those songs so well. You know they're her songs, so they feel right with her singing them. I don't know that her voice holds up as well with other material, so I'd probably have to say her writing. But I love her for both.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 02:38 (fourteen years ago) link

She's such an amazing songwriter.

I know it might be simple and obvious and even cheesy, but that couplet from "So Far Away" keeps going through my head:

Doesn't anybody stay in one place anymore?
It would be so fine to see your face at my door

It's such a great rhyme/off-rhyme, so simple, but so effective at expressing the way people experience their longings as though they were part of a shift in the world.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 02:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Her singing is an 8 out of 10 in my book; her writing, a 10 out of 10.

But oh, how I wish she'd taken a crack at Todd Rundgren's "I Saw the Light." If she had, it'd be my most favoritest record ever.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 04:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Has anyone ever heard her band, The City? I had a freind recommend a song called snow queen, but then I had another friend say it absolutely suck.

rug, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

'The Snow Queen', as recorded by Roger Nichols and the Small Circle of Friends(the incredible meeting of psychedelia, the carpenters, 60's-70's LA scene, etc.), is marvellous. haven't heard The City's version, but it's a great song.

derrick (derrick), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Can you tell me more about Roger Nichols + the Small Circle of Friends?

Elisa (Elisa), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link

the best information i've found is at the rev-ola site:

they've reissued the album, too.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 04:43 (fourteen years ago) link

twelve years pass...

I just recently discovered The City -- it's a good album! No idea why she apparently wanted to bury it for so many years, apart from its initial commercial failure. I'd never heard the original versions of "Wasn't Born to Follow" or "That Old Sweet Roll."

two years pass...

One of the tunes from the album from The City just showed up on one of my algorithm playlists and it knocked me for a loop.

Three Hundred Pounds of Almond Joy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 21:07 (one month ago) link

was the song 'snow queen,' by chance?

fauci wally (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 23:10 (one month ago) link

No, I thought you’d say that. “Now That Everything’s Been Said.”

Three Hundred Pounds of Almond Joy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 01:32 (one month ago) link

that's the title track from their one album, which is a trip

fauci wally (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 02:17 (one month ago) link

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