http://blog.amandapalmer.net/post/227061643/dear-robert-smith-an-open-letter
I've done this a few times myself and it always spins the ol' head around.Generally quite nicely put.
― I AM NOT ONE TO PURSUE GAME, MY FRIEND - NO, INDEED. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Will have to give that a closer reread but that beyond rules.
But Dan's going to hate what she's going nuts for in the final photo.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link
hahahahahahaha I did get to the end and go "OH COME THE FUCK ON"
but yeah, that pretty much exactly encapsulates why I still listen to The Cure (and why, in general, I think making fun of anyone for liking a "past-their-prime" band is the hallmark of an irredeemable dick)
― ADVANCED CHORD CHANGES (HI DERE), Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Interesting.
Getting backstage at The Cure show at the Greek in Berkeley in '87 (I think) was the highlight of my life at the time.
― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Seriously LOLing for real here.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 October 2009 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
"Amanda Palmer performs the popular hits of Radiohead on her magical ukelele" EP out tomorrow:
http://music.amandapalmer.net/album/amanda-palmer-performs-the-popular-hits-of-radiohead-on-her-magical-ukulele
― StanM, Monday, 19 July 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck that
it seems like the only thing that poor instrument is used for anymore is for shitty covers
― Anticipating The Nation - High Islam (LOLK), Monday, 19 July 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
extra 'for' in that last one
― Anticipating The Nation - High Islam (LOLK), Monday, 19 July 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
fake plastic covers
― crispy hexagon sun (crüt), Monday, 19 July 2010 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I've spent quality time with Amanda. Never seen the Cure though. I would like to.
― Nate Carson, Monday, 19 July 2010 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Always hated this woman, her music, her shitty graphic design & her terrible personal brand.
― the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Monday, 19 July 2010 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Jeez.
Anyway...
I never ever had this close a connection to any rock star, father figure, or (day I see it) hero type as so many people have done. To the extent that I wanted to follow them or be them (beyond the thought that I'd like that job yeah, sure)...
Even to the extent that I don't even have a default understanding of the mindset beyond appreciating how someone else might feel in the situation.
Anyway, nice letter, it's good to be happy.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
my extreme distate for dresden dolls, that letter, her wordiness, etc, put me off listening to 'who killed amanda palmer' until now but I really like it, it's a good record.
― akm, Saturday, 29 October 2011 06:03 (twelve years ago) link
She may not get a lot of ILM love, but getting crowdfunded to the tune of $1m is still something worthy of note, I would say.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/amandapalmer/amanda-palmer-the-new-record-art-book-and-tour/posts/232020
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 27 August 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
also recently filled in for erykah badu as bathtub fodder
― This cad needs a cordial introduction to Eugene of Oxbow. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 05:14 (eleven years ago) link
25,000 people pledged an average of $50... how
― Poliopolice, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
I was sitting next to the writer Neil Gaiman in a pizzeria today, and he was with this lady with tattooed eyebrows and a bunch of Bard kids who appeared to be shlepping them around.
Tonight I learned that she's Amanda Palmer, and they're married. Also that Gaiman is some kind of Upper Poobah Lightning Level Scientologist (son of former U.K. Scientology boss and Vitamin mogul David Gaiman), and that many suspect the $1 million was just poured in through Sea.Org (fancy Scientology people) as part of a pretty sneaky publicity stunt....
― Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
and now I guess I should be drawing the blinds or changing my display name or something
― Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:08 (eleven years ago) link
Also that Gaiman is some kind of Upper Poobah Lightning Level Scientologist
this is not true, although his family are still. (he was actually listed as supressive for a long time iirc). and anyone who needs to make up conspiracy theories abt Palmer's fanbase and social media aptitude has prob not read anything about her, or spoken to anyone who likes her, in the last five years.
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
What's a suppressive?
― Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:25 (eleven years ago) link
WTF Church of Scientology is in my iPhone! Just resumed scrabble game and "Hard" robot played ENGRAM(!)
― Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:27 (eleven years ago) link
^true
― Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 2 September 2012 03:28 (eleven years ago) link
Wait hold on
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/rockers-playing-for-beer-fair-play/?hp
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
um
isn't that the entire point of funding your enterprise via Kickstarter, so that you can raise enough money for the things you want
on the flip side, this appears to be a "hey fan musicians, I invite you to play with me for a night on stage" thing and, as such, should be looked upon as a giveaway for amateur musicians rather than a solicitation for professionals
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
hahah goddamn musicians union folks are weird. DJP otm.
― with the ghostly "YOOOOOOOOOOOOHHOOOO" vocals? (crüt), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
oh don't get me wrong, if she was doing this to drum up her core band she would deserve every bit of invective and more
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
What's the distinction your drawing there, though? "one gig vs a tour" or "horns & strings vs guitar/drums" or "a few songs vs the whole show"?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 12:01 (eleven years ago) link
*you're
If she's doing a "let me bring out enthusiastic fans at each show to do a song or two" thing, then who cares
If she's doing a "let me fill out my band for the majority of my set with people I don't have to actually pay" thing, she should fuck off
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:18 (eleven years ago) link
i had never paid any attention to this person until this musician thing, which is shitty. but even shitter, she apparently was dating (pre-gaiman) someone who was a recovered drug addict and relapsed, and she faked a suicide attempt to show him how hurt she was by it, and recorded his reaction to finding her and thinking she had killed herself, and used it on an album. he later committed suicide. how is this person real?! that is stomach turning.
― john zorn has ruined klezmer for an entire generation (bene_gesserit), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:26 (eleven years ago) link
holy shit, is that for real
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:33 (eleven years ago) link
http://youtu.be/h57XWrFNGs8
5:10
this woman, holy shit
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:39 (eleven years ago) link
I hated this woman anyway for being a total shit to my friends when they were doing Weill cabaret, this is next level
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:41 (eleven years ago) link
ennh, she was 18 and the "gf fakes a suicide" -> "he commits suicide" connection doesn't ring true for me. It is so fucked up that she'd put that recording on an album, though, oh my god.
― would smash pumpkins (Ówen P.), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
and christ, pay your musicians. Amateur vs. professional who the fuck cares. More like "I am blessed with a worshipful fanbase now let me exploit you for cheap labour"
― would smash pumpkins (Ówen P.), Thursday, 13 September 2012 13:59 (eleven years ago) link
haha Owen I think we're pretty much on the same page here with minor deviations
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
like... always?
― would smash pumpkins (Ówen P.), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
he said here.
― Mark G, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
ennh, she was 18 and the "gf fakes a suicide" -> "he commits suicide" connection doesn't ring true for me. It is so fucked up that she'd put that recording on an album, though, oh my god
yeah i wasn't making the connection that he committed suicide because of her, it was more of an aside. but faking suicide is horribly abusive behavior, and using the recording on an album implies she has no remorse about it.
― john zorn has ruined klezmer for an entire generation (bene_gesserit), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:18 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, this is OTM. I think if one of my favourite bands put out a call for people to show up and play either a track they already know or jam out some psych a la Suzuki's Network, I'd jump at it and not expect payment. However, if it was "please learn my entire set, be present at a rehearsal, play for the entire show or at least when and where I expect you to" then I would find that a very different proposition indeed.
― emil.y, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
The string/horn sections she pulled together for the immediate post-Kickstarter mini-tour thing were all fans who opted in. They were asked to learn two songs I think, and turn up in time to soundcheck - and they looked like the happiest damn fans on earth onstage (as well as actually being really good).
― Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
She's also ableist. I think she's an asshole.
― NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
You guys don't understand, she's an artist. You can't be an artist and an asshole at the same time, they're like matter / anti-matter.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
(If I listen carefully, I can probably hear DJP's reaction to that from across the Atlantic)
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
I think a lot of the greatest artists have been complete and total assholes, and she's certainly living up to that. But women get given a harder time for ~not being nice~ and the level of assholehood required to be a ~great~ artist, so I try to cut female rock stars some slack on that count, i.e. The Courtney Love Clause.
The problem is, I've never heard any work of Amanda Palmer's that actually inspired me or blew me away in the way that I require ~great art~ to do. Which may well be my failure to appreciate it. So it's complicated.
― Atomow dhe Kres? MY A VYNN, mar pleg! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
Oy oy oy, that Evelyn Evelyn thing. I would have no problem if it was a Victoriana/Steampunk concept album about conjoined twins, really, but... positioning them in the contemporary world? Pretending that you rescued them? Giving *quite* such a distressing backstory to the record? DRESSING as them?
― emil.y, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that thing Nicole posted, that was the thing that really just crystalised a lot of the floating discomfort I'd been experiencing about her and her schtick. But, like I said, it's complicated.
― Atomow dhe Kres? MY A VYNN, mar pleg! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
but faking suicide is horribly abusive behavior, and using the recording on an album implies she has no remorse about it.
I've not knowingly heard an amanda palmer record but she reminds me so so so strongly of girls i used to know -- there can be this sense that making art around something shitty that you did is a way of working through it, the experience and your own behaviour? I mean, to me it is a terrible thing to have used that recording on an album that you release and get money for, but I can sense the edges of the logic that leads to it. Also i do not think her behaviour can be held responsible for his later suicide.
Like WCC says, it's complicated - because there've been these girls I knew who would have been so happy to grow up into Amanda Palmer, the very phenomenon of her existence is dear to me -- even when she does stuff like the Evelyn Evelyn project, which was frankly repulsive.
― v for viennetta (c sharp major), Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:55 (eleven years ago) link
I think I'm probably misreading you, WCC - your first paragraph seems to suggest that there's a minimum level of assholehood required to be a great artists? But your second suggests that if she was a great artist, she'd get a reduction in effective assholehood?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
in short, Great artists tend to be assholes, but assholes do not tend to be great artists.
― Mark G, Thursday, 13 September 2012 15:05 (eleven years ago) link
ohhhh its a “salon”? (rmde)
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 January 2022 19:38 (two years ago) link
conversation salon
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 January 2022 19:38 (two years ago) link
any time someone says there's a q&a at an event i will be like "oh you mean a conversation salon"
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 January 2022 19:39 (two years ago) link
web 2.0, crowdsource the content, privatise the profits yes baybeeee
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 20 January 2022 20:22 (two years ago) link
lol brad
I've learned to brace myself for the worst when this thread gets bumped, but this was disappointingly low on the APCES (Amanda Palmer Cringe Event Scale). I give it a 3 out of 10.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 January 2022 20:27 (two years ago) link
maybe it’s hosted on Jeremy Renner’s social media app?
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 20 January 2022 20:29 (two years ago) link
that would bump it up to an easy 4/10
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 January 2022 20:31 (two years ago) link
i think my most cherished amanda palmer byproduct is the consternation that arises whenever she pulls another innocuous stunt. omg she’s writing a column o no!!!
effortless trolling, it is like an art, she should sell a series of seminars (because peeps wld get mad and it wld be funny)
― cowboy bopeep (cat), Thursday, 20 January 2022 21:43 (two years ago) link
I’m still back on the time she chewed on things and auctioned them off to her fans
― castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 20 January 2022 21:57 (two years ago) link
just a rehash of one of her original controversies (crowdsourcing her string sections and not paying them for their labor). i give it a C-
― intheblanks, Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:08 (two years ago) link
Is it a coincidence she and Chait announced Substacks on the same day or do the Substack masters read ILX?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:27 (two years ago) link
I don't dare look back through the thread to find out, but has she done NFTs yet?
― the great replacement bus service (Matt #2), Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:39 (two years ago) link
shhh, dammit
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:41 (two years ago) link
I would buy an NFT of her eyebrows
― castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:47 (two years ago) link
she called a fucking advice column a “conversation salon” come on
― maura, Thursday, 20 January 2022 22:56 (two years ago) link
-welcome to The Advice Bureau-uh its just a roomful of ppl talking over each other-yes. great, isnt it?- how do i get advice- lets table that for now, hmm?
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 January 2022 23:52 (two years ago) link
is 77 a salon?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 January 2022 23:54 (two years ago) link
Thinktank
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 20 January 2022 23:56 (two years ago) link
a toilet that you shout into
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 21 January 2022 00:15 (two years ago) link
In hearings that to a song but I can’t think of what song it is
― castanuts (DJP), Friday, 21 January 2022 00:41 (two years ago) link
a toilet that you shout into― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:15 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, January 20, 2022 5:15 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
it is with great pride that i present to you... The Internet
― cowboy bopeep (cat), Friday, 21 January 2022 00:42 (two years ago) link
i went to two conversation salons earlier today, except they were called meetings. she should like set up a zoom room or google hangout and charge people to enter and watch her check her email.
― sarahell, Friday, 21 January 2022 07:05 (two years ago) link
It's over
https://amandapalmer.net/posts/a-joint-statement-from-me-and-neil/
― zeuhl's forgotten man (Matt #2), Sunday, 6 November 2022 09:22 (one year ago) link
if they couldn't make it work, who could?
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 6 November 2022 09:26 (one year ago) link
did they ever try to monetize couples therapy?
― sarahell, Sunday, 6 November 2022 09:49 (one year ago) link
I assumed this happened already, didn’t they literally stop living in the same country
― after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Sunday, 6 November 2022 09:49 (one year ago) link
lmao
― buzza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 09:52 (one year ago) link
I guess they just grifted apart
― Wiggum Dorma (wins), Sunday, 6 November 2022 10:09 (one year ago) link
^ omg
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 6 November 2022 11:31 (one year ago) link
All time excelsior
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 6 November 2022 12:00 (one year ago) link
hall of fame shit
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 6 November 2022 12:02 (one year ago) link
Actual spit take
― “uhh”—like, this is an insane oatmeal raisin cookie “uhh” (President Keyes), Sunday, 6 November 2022 12:44 (one year ago) link
Holy shit I cackled like a witch at that.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 7 November 2022 01:33 (one year ago) link
Lmao
― Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Monday, 7 November 2022 18:29 (one year ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/100045146024077/posts/pfbid02Z9jqz9XfMPDkdTctzDtFBNoE8Hqbtu2WZQAuwdi5TUrFjYSujiogC9YTwDXBFFPel/?mibextid=cr9u03
― the new drip king (DJP), Wednesday, 2 August 2023 16:53 (seven months ago) link
Regret to inform you all that she took a powerful lesson from Sinead O'Connor as well - it's the same lesson as always: never wonder "Am I the asshole?"
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 3 August 2023 00:43 (seven months ago) link
Am I not your asshole?
― omar little, Thursday, 3 August 2023 01:02 (seven months ago) link
when every lens is a mirror
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 3 August 2023 01:31 (seven months ago) link
i’m so tired of rolling my eyes at her
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 August 2023 01:36 (seven months ago) link
i enjoyed the subtle but great running joke about amanda palmer on Deadloch (Australian murder comedy/satire series on Amazon)
― Roz, Thursday, 3 August 2023 02:06 (seven months ago) link
is this post available to schadenreade somewhere publicly?
― serving bundt (sic), Thursday, 3 August 2023 03:21 (seven months ago) link
it didn't work on mobile but did on desktop (although I can imagine you balked at the URL!)
As I sit here with tears in my eyes, I find my complicated feelings about chat GPT getting even more complicated. 🤖🏳️⚧️♥️🤷🏻♀️https://i.imgur.com/znvUQWH.jpg
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 3 August 2023 04:58 (seven months ago) link
It's been so long since whatever Amanda Palmer did to make so many people (including me) dislike her that I've got to admit ... I don't remember what it was. But I saw her years ago with the Dresden Dolls, and fair's fair, the band was good. They reunited/played at Riot Fest yesterday, and while I wasn't watching them, specifically, I caught a bit of their set, and ... it was pretty good again? They brought out Melissa Auf der Maur for a Beastie Boys cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzrJW-8CCHE
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 September 2023 00:21 (six months ago) link
yeah they are touring. I hate them. I love Melissa auf der Mar though.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 00:25 (six months ago) link
I don't even think that highly of the Beastie Boys tbh but no I am not clicking on that, are you fucking crazy
I will not encourage such behaviour
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 19 September 2023 03:08 (six months ago) link
happy new year!
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/jan/03/three-things-with-amanda-palmer-putting-a-cold-stone-around-my-warm-neck-i-remember-what-i-endured
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:43 (two months ago) link
He also used to tell me: “Say less.”
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:03 (two months ago) link
Maybe this is the New Year New Me but that piece isn't actually that bad. Excluding the stick thing.
― kinder, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:44 (two months ago) link
the bit about having her future boyfriend (and his publicist) meet her in the park only for them to find what she was doing pretty cringe is something
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:50 (two months ago) link