TS: Foreigner vs. Journey

And Journey did it with Don't Stop Believin'.

Foreigner's closest attempt, "Hot Blooded," is nowhere near the song that "Don't Stop Believin'" is.

-- Foreigner, "Hot Blooded"

Foreigner rocked much harder than Journey, and Steve Perry has always been and will forever be a total pussy. So my vote goes to Foreigner. Also, how this thread could span 19 posts without a mention of "Feels Like the First Time" is beyond me.

Besides, Foreigner had the WORST syrupy ballad ever, which would be I Wanna Know What Love Is.

And for my final point... WHAT WOULD JOURNEY DO?!?!?!? Heaven is a funky moose indeed.

foreigner = never a prog band, never had jazz aspirations; therefore made stronger pop music

journey = five jagbags in search of moisture. avoid.

Plus "Foreigner" is just a better name than "Journey."

But Ian MacDonald was a founding member of King Crimson!

Shit, Mr.Diamond beat me to it with the Crimson connection. Blast!

Journey cover art defines 1978 Chevy van parked at the beach art. Now. And forever.

http://www.foreignerfiles.com/lougrammsolo/articles/art2.htm

I say Foreigner (despite the fact that I'm apparently the only person who NEVER liked "I Want To Know What Love Is", largely because I've almost never liked gospel music)

Send Her My Love

DAMNIT THIS IS MAKING ME SO MAD!!!

YOU ILXOR PEOPLE ON AIM CHATZ TOLD ABOUT THIS OLD FOREIGNER SONG LAST NIGHT AND NOW I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS CALLED

FUCK!

I WANT TO HAVE THE CHEESEBALL MUSIC TOO!!!

No I am really upset about this. If anyone remembers the goddamn Foreigner song we were talking about please please You Tube it or let me know. Please. I'm totally traumatized over this.

Foreigner by a landslide for me.

Because

1. The first album is actually a great art pop album that sounds like as much like Supertramp than it does like Journey or Boston

2. The fourth album had some great new wave-ish singles.

bahahahahahhaa JAMES BROWN = BAD. BEATLES = GOOD. For all eternity.

XP Oh no, my best trolling was when I posted to alt.animals.dolphins about how delicious dolphins taste when served with garlic ;)

hahahah FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU! ;)

Oh my god. Did you hear that vegetarian people of peace and love?

"you Geir newbies should understand he has been peddling the same schtick on the lol internets since at least 1994 and is impervious to debate, reason, verbal abuse, bribery, etc"

I get all this (even though I've only been on here for a little while). But I did want to ask what Geir's band is? I mean, I've gathered that he plays synth. Where can I buy his record?

But I did want to ask what Geir's band is? I mean, I've gathered that he plays synth. Where can I buy his record?

Still all for free: http://www.uhort.no/artist/Hongroe

Thanks but I'm waiting for the English version. It's obviously going to be way better.

no-one beats Journey 'cause no human alive can beat the Steve Perry mullet. and that's a fact!

― Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:57 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark

i still stand behind this, BTW.

Thanks but I'm waiting for the English version. It's obviously going to be way better.

It's guaranteed 100% not American. :)

(I was about to say Un-American, but I believe that means something else ;) )

haha cute.

Anyway, someone defended Steve Perry's mullet here and it may just be that this is the deepest understanding of Journey possible on a music thread. Because really, who the fuck else could rock a mullet than him? I mean you didn't exactly get in the way of that dude, you know? I wouldn't have wanted to get in a fight with him at a bar (or a singing contest at a bar). Imagine losing a bet to him on a singing contest. OUCH.

"don't stop believing" is a pretty great song, as mighty as anything foreigner ever did -- that alone excuses/justifies steve perry's mullet.

hahahhaaha
fuck you for making me get out my iPod. Oh shit.

Dude if like the last thing I ever heard in my entire life was Journey's "Dont Stop Believing", I couldn't complain. I just couldn't.

Still all for free: http://www.uhort.no/artist/Hongroe

The opening track sounds like YMO until the vocals come in.

someone defended Steve Perry's mullet here and it may just be that this is the deepest understanding of Journey possible on a music thread.

ou sont les Dave Qs d'antan?

'good' prog = basement musicians overextending themselves, 'bad' prog = supersessioneers playing stuff for stadiums. 'bad' prog is the stuff people like and critics cannot get their heads around however 'playful' they're being. Or to put it another way, if you can't get your head around Journey's "Stone in Love" then you're still outside looking in. "Stone in Love", holy fuck! The guy plays a DIFFERENT FILL on every fuckin' bar, the ending is in like 11/8 time, there's modal inversions and stacked harmonies and it's STILL A FUCKIN' STADIUM ROCK SONG. Plus it makes me play 'air drums' uncontrollably. Anybody can appreciate Greenslade and PFM from arm's length cuz they fulfill the categorical imperative but "SIL" appeals to people who don't know why they like it as well as being the most complicated fuckin' song I've ever heard and thus is off limits to anybody still constrained by punk orthodoxy which is really utilitarianism with safety pins! To borrow a phrase from Fritz Wollner (where the fuck is he these days? Come back!), Jon Anderson = Che, Steve Perry = Castro, whoever you (want to?) 'identify' with more determines whether you actually 'get' prog or if you're just 'playing' at it! (Contrary to received opinion 'prog' is NOT about the 'playing' [instro-spaking], otherwise they'd 'jam' more)
-- dave q, November 3rd, 2003

How are safety pins not utilitarian?

To play devil's advocate for a sec, Foreigner did not have their own video game:

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/parenting/2008/07/20/journey310x238.JPG

^^^ hello childhood

that game was wack then

Can we keep this thread going for a little while longer? I can't get "Girl Can't Help It" out of my head at all right now (“OOOH THERE’S A FIRE IN HIS EYES FOR YOU!!!!!!” is on mega repeat in my brain). I don't know who this Paul dude was from 2002, but I really love the fact that someone decided to slap these two bands together in a thread.

See this happened to me last year with Journey around this time of year. I got the Greatest Hits and I was like fucking set for life. It's ridiculous because once I start with it I really can't stop for a good long while. Somehow those dudes managed to write songs that I can play a trillion times and not get tired of.

"Juke Box Hero" on the other hand, is uproariously laughable in hindsight. But in a good B-movie kind of way. So you can't lose.

Also I don't think I said it before but Contenderizer's whole analysis of these two bands re: "The Feeling" cracked me up to no end. It’s the FEELING, MAAAN!

Also seeking opinions on Steve Perry's RED TAILS WITH JEANS LOOK. Dude actually had the guts to wear this shit! I mean even for the 80's that outfit is just fucking WACK:

I don't know who this Paul dude was from 2002

Me.

I got the Greatest Hits and I was like fucking set for life.

fail. greatest hits lacks stone in love.

Sadly, "Stone In Love" has never thrilled me, though it is on my second disc of my two disc set of "Essential Journey". (I found out the hard way I didn't need disc 2)

Wait, Most recently, the Lou Gramm Band has released a self-titled Christian rock album in 2009.

bet it sounds like interesting.

I just heard "That Was Yesterday" at CVS. Thoughts?

I've been feeling guilty lately, so I bought "Greatest Hits" by both. I've also been feeling mean so I gotta go with Foreigner.

Is "I'll Be Alright Without You" the latest intrusion into the eighties that a seventies-style pop song ever made it into the charts? Because that could've been on Infinity just as easily as it was on Raised on Radio and would likely have been a hit in either era. Of course there was a lot of style spillover in the very early years of the decade, but this is 1986.

Anyway, I think it's become, over time, my favorite Journey track. I love that Schon totally holds back where a guitar solo would normally go and just plays that octave "buh...buhbuh" part.

I'd take Jukebox Hero over Dont Stop Believin' any day of the week.

god, i hate 'don't stop believin.' every college dipshit's ironic favorite.

foreigner are kinda genuinely great.

"Stone in Love" - Classic or Greatest 4:25 In The History Of The Bay Area?

Been on a major first-Journey-LP (from 1975) kick lately; I'd still take Foreigner, but it makes the contest a lot closer. Need to investigate those other two pre-Perry albums; they could conceivably tip the scales.

I hadn't heard "Long, Long Way From Home" in ages before the other night on radio, but the sax solo is so great, could almost be Andy Mackay or the Psychedelic Furs guy; not a sound you really hear on classic rock radio. The little Cars-like synth squiggles are a nice touch, too.

Just hearing the s/t 1975 album for the first time. I always expected the pre-Perry stuff to be more ponderous, but even the lengthiest tracks are still pretty tightly structured.

Laugh if you will, but I can't help windmilling air guitar power chords to Juke Box Hero, and I've never felt that urge with a Journey song ever. Plus, the solo in Hot Blooded blew my mind when I was a kid. So, Foreigner wins.

Although, Neal Schon being married to Pat Benatar gives him some cool he'd otherwise lack.

Pat Benatar is married to Neil Giraldo.

(her own band's guitar player since whenever her rock career started, which is pretty impressive in its own way)

yeah i think schon is married to that crazy chick he fake kidnapped that snuck into the white house or whatever

Has anybody heard Journey's soundtrack for Dream After Dream from 1980? Supposed to be all epic jams like the first lp

Is pre-Perry Journey more Santana/fusion-ish?

Foreigner > Loverboy > Journey

Pre perry journey IS Santana minus Carlos and with aynsley Dunbar replacing shrieve

Not much Latin flavor, but it rocks like epic Santana

Btw Abraxis Pool is awful.

Thx for the correction. Got my Neils mixed up.

There sure were a lot of Neils on '70s rock radio.

Adding nothing to this argument:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfzJtKZUCw8

I only know Perry-era Journey but I rate them over Foreigner. Foreigner has some classic singles but any of their albums that I've listened to all the way through has contained plenty of filler while Escape is pretty consistently great. Even for singles, I'd take Journey's best over Foreigner's.

I love Lou Gramm forever, and Foreigner are cool but there's something about their songs where I'm happier hearing them in the supermarket than putting on a whole album.

Perry-era Journey for me are at least a little more rockin'. Separate Ways! big-nose is a douchebag and I personally think Gramm smokes him vocally but there's just something a bit more fun about Journey. Foreigner is a little uptight? I dunno.

Jukebox Hero's awesome though.

Foreigner is fucking awesome.

fun fact: that's lou gramm contributing backing vox on "cuts like a knife"

six degrees of bryan adams probably deserves own thread.

I am all about "Urgent" today.