DJ Shadow vs. Chemical Bros

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who is more talented?

― lore, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

well, probably shadow in the technical expertise vein - he does amazing things(the 129 7" sample record thingy w. cut chemist is really impressive). However, the Chemicals kick one's head off for sheer energetic fun ans sweaty dancing. one for the head, one ofr the feet.

― Andrew, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Chemicals are miles better than DJ Shadow and his electronic music for people who like classic rock.

― Ronan, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Chemicals are miles better than DJ Shadow and his electronic music for people who like classic rock.

Huh? I woulda thought that statement applied to the Chems more than DJ Shadow.

― Vic Funk, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was about to say it could apply to both but I think to DJ Shadow more because of his hendrix of the sampler rubbish and the fact that he doesn't make dance music.

― Ronan, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not the fact that the name hendrix is used, more that DJ Shadow is seen as some kind of technical genius, yadda yadda yadda.

― Ronan, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Christ, that's like asking if The 400 Blows is better than Enter the Dragon. It's a comparison between often- introspective, technically-minded envelope-pushing drama-as-art/vice- versa and move move move, dammit hyperkinetic action with occasional forays into simmering anticipation. The closest they've gotten to one another is "GDMFSOB" and "Lost in the K-Hole", and that's the extent of any real stylistic overlap.

I guess if I have to take sides I'll pick DJ Shadow 'cos he had the better album this year and that's the only point of comparison I can grab onto.

― Nate Patrin, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thom Yorke vs. Richard Ashcroft - there is no winner!

― J Blount, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, and Shadow easy.

― J Blount, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

... and the fact that he doesn't make dance music.

You should see a room full of bikers getting down to Molly Hatchet!

― Andy K, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

electronic music for people who like classic rock = electronic music + Noel Gallagher, Richard Ashcroft, Jonathan Donahue, Beth Orton, Hope Sandoval....gee, who does this apply to?

― J Blount, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Um.....yes since all of the above are in well known classic rock bands. Anyway if you think Where Do I Begin sounds like Beth Orton then you're obviously deaf. As for Gallagher/Ashcroft tracks, yes they're shit, but Chemical Brother's finest moments are far far better than anything DJ Shadow has ever done.

― Ronan, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

DJ Shadow, no challange.

― Geoffrey Balasoglou, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the concept of The Chemical Brothers more, and I think that FWIW they're more "important" than DJ Shadow, in terms of opening up a wedge within music where they inserted their sound, in terms of doing things that had been alluded to but skated around by artists prior. And, because ideas of importance are dumb, I'd add that they verge on brilliant in the rhythmic department (or did at one point) and are terribly fun.

DJ Shadow's innovations don't sound to me like innovations - rather, precise articulations of ideas that had already floated around for ages. But The Private Press impresses and affects me in a way that no Chemical Brothers album has (though Dig Your Own Hole comes close), so in terms of who I treasure more right now, the answer's probably Shadow.

― Tim, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone actually heard the thing w. cut chemist? it's incredible! (and quite funny in parts as well.) dunno if you could dance to it or not, but I've found if i'm drunk enough i'll attempt to dance to anything.

― Andrew, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"all of the above are in well known classic rock bands" - precisely

― J Blount, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Brainfreeze and Product Placement are tons of goofy fun, but I'm not sure there's anything on there as HOLYSHITDIDTHEYJUSTDOTHAT?!-worthy as the segue from Eric B. and Rakim's "Juice (Know the Ledge)" to Red Snapper's "Wesley Don't Surf" on the Chems' Live At the Social Vol. 1 mix. The way they bring in the guitar noise right when Rakim does his "'Cause the streets await me, so I take my gun off safety..." line is just DAMN.

― Nate Patrin, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Both of them are genius

― jenny, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If the Chems are Bruce Lee, Fatboy is Jackie Chan - a lesser but more than adequate substitute. But there's only one Truffaut, and I dare anyone to argue that Kid Koala is Godard.

― B-Rad, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Scott Herren is Godard. Kid Koala is Jacques Tati.

― Nate Patrin, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jackie Chan sucks

― lilys, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I missed Jacques Tati's "chicken noise" period.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah well Traffic="Fender Bender" maybe.

― Nate Patrin, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

not even a fair fight; shadow kung-fu kicks the chems tables right out from under them; in one swoop it's over!

tim: shadow is without a doubt a gazillion times more inovative than the chems. all they excell at is applying the same time testd formulas and generic styles that apeal to the masses whom don't realize how diverse electronic music can be.

― dyson, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I realize how diverse electronic music can be and I still like the Chemical Brothers. OH I MUST BE A STUPID PROLE

― Nate Patrin, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'M A MORONIC MASSES WHOM DONT REALISE HOW "DIVERSE" ELECTRONIC MUSIC CAN BE.

― Ronan, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

relax, guys. i did phrase that poorly, sorry; that wasn't directed at anyone here. i happen to like the chems myself, obviously not that much tho. i did just see shadow live and am still a little wired from the experience. i should proof read these things.

― dyson, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There's too much puffy self regard in Shadows music to ever truly love it. The Chemical Brothers are always keeping you on their toes and tracks like "It doesent matter" demolishes dancefloors. Which isnt what Shadow is about I guess. But I appreciate what the Chemicals do more than Shadow any day.

― Michael Bourke, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'Endtroducing...DJ Shadow' is the greatest album of all time in my worthless opinion. I love it because it strips so much away from what the definitions of music and albums is/are seen as but this does not result in a lack of imagination, creativity or provocation of an emotional response from the listener. Its an intense, deep and thoughtful piece of work that runs the spectrum of moods with a surreal yet dark edge juxtaposed with the occasional humourous quirk.

― , Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"The Chemical Brothers are always keeping you on their toes" - except when they're boring as fuck, ripping off their own hits, or collaborating with NME cover stars.

― J Blount, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"tim: shadow is without a doubt a gazillion times more inovative than the chems. all they excell at is applying the same time testd formulas and generic styles that apeal to the masses whom don't realize how diverse electronic music can be. "

But this argument can always run both ways - especially for someone like DJ Shadow, who is notorious for being the token (not-really)-hip hop album in people's collections.

I could just as easily argue that "the chems are without a doubt a gazillion times more innovative than shadow. all he excels at is applying the same time tested formulas and generic styles that appeal to the MOR-pretentious masses who don't realise how diverse hip hop music can be."

But I don't argue this because it's a stupid argument that has nothing to do with the music, and only insults listeners whose tastes you have no idea of. use other arguments plz.

― Tim, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

italics always seem to undercut the power of my rhetoric.

― Tim, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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