should i give the grateful dead a chance?

that's my second fave DS

so in terms of studio albums, I've done american beauty, workingman dead and terrapin station. any thoughts as to what I should tackle next

Blues For Allah is very good.

Bob Weir’s Ace is actually a GD album that is cut from the same cloth as Workingman’s Dead and American Beauty, and it’s really good. It was recently remixed and a lot of people don’t like the new version as much.

❤️❤️❤️❤️

Besides Ace (which lives up to its title), the other companion solo albums, Garcia and Mickey Hart's Rolling Thunder, are worth checking out. The former is a widely acknowledged classic, and the latter is weird in the best way.

I may be alone in this, but I think the debut is a fun Garage Rock record. In fact, I'd rep for all of the '60s albums.

I never realized until I got copies, but so many GD live classics come from Ace/Garcia.

my question is do we feel like the grateful dead and jefferson airplane ever hung out

Absolutely. Have you heard the first David Crosby solo album? Members of both bands on there, along with Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, and others.

yeah they all played together in the Planet Earth Rock & Roll Orchestra!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Planet_Earth_Rock_and_Roll_Orchestra

well not "all" but a bunch

stop

Jerry played steel guitar on the Volunteers album too, and was credited as "Spiritual Advisor" in the Surrealistic Pillow liners (an album he named BTW).

wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhht. wow I'm dumb. thank you for this. JP was my absolute favorite band growing up

love volunteers

JA rather

I recently finished the "Got A Revolution" JA bio, recommended

👍 finally I was just looking into the Crosby scene for the first time in ages the other night, must be something in the air clearly

*funnily

my question is do we feel like the grateful dead and jefferson airplane ever hung out

― Swen

this thread keeps reminding me of shit from my curated dark star playlist that i lost in the crash, some sweet fillmore side project jams with jack casady on bass

i love lesh a lot but jerry and jack together is a beautiful thing as well

(to be clear i didn't lose the files themselves, what i lost was the _curation_ haha)

loving it

Kantner's Blows against the Empire has some prime post-airplane jefferson/dead weirdness too.

Where has this studio version of PITB been all my life lmfao

they probably lived together at the Fulton at house, yeah?

should I have (re)bought Sunfighter today for $6 y/n

I sampled those perro adjacent albums and didn’t take much away

pay no more than 1.99 for sunfighter, punx

yeah, I was gonna say, that's a dollar bin staple of Silk Degrees proportions

no shade intended to the quality of Silk Degrees, which everyone should own a near mint copy of that cost them between 50 cents and a dollar.

fwiw even the thrifts in Oregon price at $2.99 minimum, but yeah I passed on it

Silk Degrees mention lol

Sock accounts itt? lol

so in terms of studio albums, I've done american beauty, workingman dead and terrapin station. any thoughts as to what I should tackle next

― Swen, Sunday, 3 March 2024 16:50 (yesterday)

Aoxomoxoa was my introduction to GD, and I still enjoy it.

next up then! this is exciting. thanking you all. (loved blues for allah btw, and loved the title track)

Aoxomoxoa was my introduction to GD, and I still enjoy it.

― Duke

ok but WHICH MIX

If you get the 2019 reissue, both mixes are on the same disc!

('69 mix is my answer, btw)

both mixes are on the same disc!

and a live show on the 2nd disc! that's the version I got to replace my old LP (no, I don't remember which mix it was)

TBH I don't know which mix I have! I've a (probably 1980s) UK vinyl edition and a 2001 CD version from the Golden Road boxset. I must read the notes to the latter again.

^^Those are probably both the Remix (the 2001 CD definitely is).

Wiki:

Second-guessing the end results, Garcia and Lesh went back in the studio in 1971 to remix the album, removing many parts present on the original release, including a choir singing on "Mountains of the Moon", many difficult-to-identify sounds on "What's Become of the Baby", and an a cappella ending for "Doin' that Rag," dropped for an earlier fadeout. The remix also uses different vocal takes on some songs, most noticeably "Dupree's Diamond Blues." The result, with the same catalog number (WS1790) and perhaps brighter sound, but with much of the original's experimental character removed, can be identified by the "Remixed September, 1971" legend on the back cover. Mistakenly, the song timings on the first (1987) CD release refer to the original mix, not the remix (varying most significantly on "Doin' that Rag," which was edited from 5:15 to 4:41, and "China Cat Sunflower," edited from 4:15 to 3:40).

The original mix was later planned for CD release, but the original master tapes could not be located. When the masters were finally found, years later, they were used for The Warner Bros. Studio Albums vinyl box set, marking the first time the 1969 mix has been available since the 1971 remix replaced it, in 1972. The 2013 high definition remastering for download uses the remixed version – even though promotion related to this release declared "produced from the original analog master tapes in 2013, using the original album mixes".

An edit of the track "Doin' that Rag" was released on the Warner/Reprise Loss Leaders compilation The 1969 Warner/Reprise Record Show. Since this set stayed in print through the late 1970s, it provided a sample of the original mix for some years after the full album was only available in the remixed version.

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On June 7, 2019 Rhino Records released the "50th Anniversary Deluxe Edition" of Aoxomoxoa. Disc one contains both mixes of the album – the one from 1969 and the one from 1971. Disc two contains previously unreleased live tracks from the Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco, recorded on January 24–26, 1969.

Yes. Going by the outro to Doin' That Rag, it seems both my versions are the 71 remix. So I've never heard the 69 mix. I must rectify that.

interesting that the Warner/Reprise record show was in print for so long, for just a promo sampler comp

the original mix is definitely worth hearing, but I hardly ever listen to it.

a very strange Aoxo outtake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg10Puy1kYo

'Doin that Rag' is such a shambles...like they're still learning it and lurch into the different parts

also has some rare Jerry falsetto

still surprises me when i remember members of the Dead put in session work for David Crosby's "If I Could Only Remember My Name." That pedal steel work Jerry puts in for "Laughing" is fantastic. "What Are Their Names" is such a wild tune to come out of a Crosby, Neil Young and the Dead composition.

this is what i'm talking about when i talk about how much i love the one drummer approach. i much prefer it. so good! well, they had the right one drummer for it. that helps. i mean i get that the mickey/bill combo is part of the mythos...and before 1972 i feel like i enjoy it more? i dunno. anyway, this is a really good show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtsB3lgvN5w

how many 60s and 70s bands wish that they had ONE show with the sound quality of that one above that they could listen to now. kinda crazy really.

(that set is really down-home. nothing out or crazy long. old-fashioned.)

many difficult-to-identify sounds on "What's Become of the Baby"

all-time wiki writing tbh