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Tell me about them, are they good, what should I own?

New Classic Or Dud & Search & Destroy combined answers, please.

Nick Southall, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Entertainment and Solid Gold, classic. Everything else, dud.

hstencil, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

don't you remember them from 1979, Nick ;)

Entertainment is the album, released 1979 on EMI.

My fav track: I found that essence rare

Biography

Gang Of Four was formed in 1977 in Leeds, England, by Andy Gill, Jon King and Hugo Burnham, all graduates of Leeds University, and Dave Allen, who answered an advert for a 'bass player wanted'. After their first single in 1978, they were snapped up by EMI and released their debut album Entertainment! in 1979.

Their second single, At Home He's A Tourist, actually made the UK Top 40, and Gang Of Four had been due to appear on Top Of The Pops, but were dropped at the last minute when they refused to remove the word 'rubbers' from the lyrics. Having retained their artistic integrity but missed their chance of wider fame, they were destined to remain a cult band, and they never again reached the singles chart.

The second album Solid Gold was released in 1981, but shortly afterwards Dave Allen left to form Shriekback, and was replaced on bass by Sara Lee. A third album, Songs Of The Free followed in 1982, but by this point much of the original hard edge had been lost from the music. Hugo Burnham left after this album, and the fourth album, Hard (1983), featured Andy Gill programming the Linndrum, with Jo Galdo, Ron Albert and Howard Albert also heavily involved. Steve Goulding provided live drums until 1984, when the band broke up. A live album, At The Palace, features one of their last gigs.

For a while, that was it, but in 1990 Gang Of Four was re-formed, on a part-time basis, by Andy Gill and Jon King, with various people filling in on bass and drums. The first single from the reformed band was Money Talks, released by independent record label Scarlett Recordings, and an album Mall followed in 1991, on Polydor. The sound was rather more electronic than Gang Of Four's earlier work, and later they admitted to only being happy with about half of it.

Andy and Jon kept themselves busy with film soundtrack work, and one such film, Delinquent, provided much of the music for the sixth Gang Of Four studio album, Shrinkwrapped. The album was released by When! (part of Castle Communications) in 1995, to widespread acclaim but (presumably) the usual dismal sales. A couple of rare but triumphant gigs followed, in London and America, but Jon King has since left the music business, meaning the end of Gang Of Four.

In 1998 Andy, Hugo and Dave worked together in compiling a 2-CD compilation, 100 Flowers Bloom, which was released in the USA including a number of new remixes and previously unreleased live and demo versions of earlier songs. For the future, a live album and even a live video have been rumoured.

DJ Martian, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Their 'Peel Sessions' disc is also terrific. I sometimes prefer it to 'Entertainment'.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What Andrew said. That collection is genius.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I haven't heard the Peel Sessions. Fuck. I should get that. Gang of Four are in my Top Five fave bands of all time. Just adore everything they do (well, except I Love a Man in a Uniform).

Yancey, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Funny, I consider them one of my favorite bands and never bothered getting anything after the first two. I think that's okay. btw, are they in print anymore?

One of the few political bands where the sound itself was political. So rigorously ugly! So serious! So sharp! And fonky! cf "What We All Want:" whap-boom-boom ad infinitum. Guitars that sound like the rails of a train.

I also have a probably-too-high tolerance for bands that ape their sound shamelessly (Radio 4 et al).

GCannon, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Songs of the Free is utterly, utterly great. Hated by all GoF fans on its release. Visionary in its post-punk-as-synth-popisms.

John Darnielle, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I like Hard. You can dance to it.

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Anybody heard LA's Moving Units? Very cool in a Gof4 way, like a colder, more distant Minutemen.

Andy, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I also prefer the Peel Sessions record to Entertainment! Good that someone else agrees that this isn't totally heretical.

The two-CD retrospective on Rhino from a few years ago somehow manages to make even the good stuff sound not-so-good.

Sometimes I imagine what would have happened if Go4 had only ever released one single: "I Found That Essence Rare"/"At Home He's A Tourist." I don't know if the world would have lost all _that_ much. (Well, "Love Like Anthrax"...)

Douglas, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You don't know how radical "I Love a Man in a Uniform" is until you're walking through a supermarket in the middle of Iowa shopping for vegetables and candy and so on and then you realize the song coming in through the speakers is "ILaMiaU." All products recontextualize themselves under such circumstances.

Dunno what's up with the supermarket tape -- the next song was "The Lovecats" -- and I'm like, "Whoa."

John Darnielle, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ah, so THAT'S what happened to all the old time KROQ program directors, they were hounded away into the Midwest.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That Rhino double CD is really bad, even though there's some fantastic stuff on it. There's a comp on Warner Brothers called A Brief History of the 20th Century that you might still be able to find in cutout bins (I got mine for $4, I think) that has all the best stuff from the Rhino comp on one CD, with very little of the "Fuck Me USA" stuff that doesn't fit in so well. I haven't heard the Peel Sessions album, but I've heard the Rhino anthology and most of the others mentioned and the Warner one is still my favorite.

charlie va, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm not so sure. I mean I grew up with Armalite Rifle/Damaged Goods/Anthrax/Entertainment and all that, but I hadn't listened to them in years until the other week when I dug out Entertainment for some reason. The sound seemed flatter and less incisive than I remembered, but what really grated was the how clumsily they expressed their (boringly) bleak world-view. ('She's dressed for the A-bomb', 'The last thing they'll ever do is act in your interest', 'The Corpse is a New Personality'). I know Leeds wasn't the most fun place to be in the late 70's but there's no excuse for this. Joyless and dull, sorry.

Dr. C, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i just forced my friend - who is staying at my place - to copy it

nath @ work, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Dressed for the H-Bomb" is a great lyric! Other than that I see where Dr C's coming from. I still love the ones everyone loves - the Fast Product single*, "Essence", "Tourist" - but they've palled for me beyond those. I think they were an intelligent but misanthropic band in some ways. It's one reason I'm keen on people using that sound now, seeing what else can be done with it.

*"Armalite Rifle" has that particularly good/telling bit - "I disapprove of it. And so does John." There's something endearingly vicarish about "disapprove" in the context.

Tom, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"He'd Send in the Army" - always loved that one .. the Urgh! version is one of the better ....

I go through bouts of heavy rotation of Entertainment & Solid Gold & Another Day/Another Dollar (followed by brief periods of ..Free, Hard, Live/Palace) and then no Gang of Four for a few years. (And "Mall" almost never gets on - although I played it a lot when it came out.)

So tell me about "Shrinkwrapped".. Is it better than Mall?

Dave225, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"You don't know how radical "I Love a Man in a Uniform" is until you're walking through a supermarket in the middle of Iowa shopping for vegetables and candy and so on and then you realize the song coming in through the speakers is "ILaMiaU." All products recontextualize themselves under such circumstances."

Don DeLillo will steal this for the sequel to "White Noise," promise.

Yancey, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

This is good to ask actually - I love Gang of Four, but I only have a few old 7"s as I remember hearing a Gang of Four album somewhere and thinking it was absolutely rubbish...

Sarah, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i remember entertainment! being a real disappointment after the shock of the peel sessions and the first ep: i went off them real quick, and never bothered with follow-ups

my band-mates saw them supporting pere ubu (on the new picnic time tour? not sure) and said they were awful, i can remember rob (our bassplayer) imitating their bassplayer, and me thinking "yes that sounds awful"

ubu rob said was the best thing he evah saw

the name "the gang of four" i think is one of greatest evah, and i am quite interested in rehearing the post-entertainment stuff again, to check how much *i* have changed

mark s, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I agree - 6 good songs on the Entertainment! album, but there are better versions of both Damaged Goods & Anthrax on the first EP.
Yeah I remember the production sounding a bit thin, flat and brittle - and although that was the idea, it's a bit unsatisfying. The drums in particular sound like a collection of bloody biscuit tins (though even they are not as bad as the 'Scotpop' nightmare that was to follow...)
Still really like the guitar chakkachakk in some places though.
As for the 'boringly bleak-world-view-clumsily- expressed'....ha, Simon Reynolds described them as 'wielding the scalpel of Marxist theory' - more of a bloody rolling pin I'd say.
But....awww, ain't it a bit endearing in a bright-eyed bushy- tailed things-seemed-simpler-then kind of way? Part of me wishes it happened more often instead of the torrent of contextless- interpersonal-nagging that so many lyrics consist of...

Ray M, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Taking sides: Gang of Four vs Shriekback

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Gang of Four vs CHATBACK. Viz 'the chatting over Anthrax' = chatback THE CONCEPTION!

I'll get me coat.

Sarah, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I first heard Anthrax on December 22nd 1978.

OK, there are reasons I remember the date but there are very very few other songs I remember the date I first heard them.

Alexander Blair, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've just ordered Entertainment from Amazon.

Thank you people!

Nick Southall, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four months pass...
Revisit.

"You don't know how radical "I Love a Man in a Uniform" is until you're walking through a supermarket in the middle of Iowa shopping for vegetables and candy and so on and then you realize the song coming in through the speakers is "ILaMiaU." All products recontextualize themselves under such circumstances."
Don DeLillo will steal this for the sequel to "White Noise," promise.

I just found out that Gang of Four were also on the Karate Kid soundtrack (granted it was later shit-version Gang of Four, but still). Paging DeLillo.

Aaron W, Thursday, 5 December 2002 20:21 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Entertainment" is a pretty seminal post-punk record... I've yet to check out any other Gang of Four records, but that one is recommended unreservedly. Very abrasive, dark, rhythmic record; a fine whole. "Anthrax" is a stunning end to it; breathtaking, jagged guitar-playing and a general wrongfooting malaise...

Tom May, Friday, 6 December 2002 00:39 (twenty-two years ago) link

Natural's Not In It is my fave song from E!

Vic, Friday, 6 December 2002 00:59 (twenty-two years ago) link

Entertainment and Solid Gold, classic. Everything else, dud.

The Yellow EP and Another Day, Another Dollar EP are also good.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 6 December 2002 01:04 (twenty-two years ago) link

well, except I Love a Man in a Uniform

HANG ON A SECOND, that's a fantastic song, you nutter. Until the end, when it just kind of forgets that it's over and keeps going.

The greatest moment of like the past year was driving around with two jackasses who'd been wearing Russian military outfits for a week straight for fun when this song came on. "Suddenly this song isn't really f unny anymore." They finally changed their frigging clothes after that. It was beautiful.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 6 December 2002 01:10 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
anyone know anything about this - what it is?

http://www.seetickets.com/xxxtickets/event.asp?e%7Cartist=GANG+OF+FOUR

mark h, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 16:56 (twenty years ago) link

er, its the gang of four reunion dates.

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

it was mentioned on teletext the other day - i'm surprised theres been no mention anywhere else. i'm excited if no one else is!

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 17:27 (twenty years ago) link

I got that re-release of Solid Gold a couple of months back. The live versions of "Cheeseburger" and "What We All Want" are raw as, they destroy the album versions! I wish they'd release the whole gig they're taken from.

The Midnight ROFFLEr (haitch), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:39 (twenty years ago) link

OK, so 'fess up: Is GO4 the infamous "Highly Influential Post-Punk Combo" that is reforming?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:46 (twenty years ago) link

(xpost: it seems so)

yeah, that live version of "what we all want" is a real monument.

frank kogan called them "teachers' pets" somewhere on ilm, which popped the balloon for me i'm afraid.

g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:47 (twenty years ago) link

so i finally got that entertainment!/yellow EP CD deal today. haven't listened yet. i like those songs "anthrax" and "outside the trains don't run on time"

Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:54 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
(revived)

"To Hell with Poverty" greatest fucking moment for Gang of Four? I wish I'd been in a band in college just to have played the song in the little smoky bar where all the school bands played Sublime and shit. I love the "Ow ow ow OWWWWW"s and harmonics.

PB, Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got my ticket already! ***does happy dance***

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:51 (nineteen years ago) link

From another post:

A reunion tour rarely excites me, but since Gof4 was one of my all-time faves, I'm interested, but mostly cuz I've seen them 5 times, but never with Dave Allen on bass.
What's this about a new album? http://www.gangoffour.co.uk/

I wonder what their US dates will look like. I figure 5 or 6 shows apart from that Couchella (sp?) thang in CA.

peepee (peepee), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm speaking of the Seattle show. They are playing Portland too, and some other places. You can find out if you go to www.ticketswest.com or at least I could earlier today.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Whoops. That's not right. It was ticketmaster that told me the other dates. Here they are:

Thu, 05/05/05
09:00 PM Gang of Four McMenamins Crystal Ballroom Portland, OR

Tue, 05/10/05
07:00 PM Gang of Four Quest Club Minneapolis, MN

Wed, 05/11/05
07:30 PM Gang of Four Metro Chicago, IL

Thu, 05/12/05
07:30 PM Gang of Four Metro Chicago, IL

Sat, 05/21/05
08:00 PM Gang of Four Theatre of Living Arts Philadelphia, PA

Sat, 05/14/05
06:00 PM Gang of Four The Phoenix Concert Theatre Toronto, ON

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link

gang of four were like the 4th best thing on the fast product mutant pop comp. maybe 5th.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

shit, I think they're great; the "Brief History of 20th Century" comp is probably all you need, altho I sure love the reissue of "Entertainment"/"Yellow EP."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 27 February 2005 03:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Again, does anyone know anything about a new album? I know I shouldn't get my hopes up (1/ that it'll happen and 2/ that it'll be any good).

peepee (peepee), Sunday, 27 February 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

But peepee, what is it that you've heard that we haven't? The "other thread" you quoted from just said something about an album full of remixes done by Franz Ferdinand/Hot Hot Heat. And the link you posted above does not work. Why don't you tell us whatever YOU heard?

Well maybe if some of the Brits hurry up and get on here...of course it's only 7 AM there, so...

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 07:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Last time I was on that site, it plainly said something like:

"New album to come"

peepee (peepee), Sunday, 27 February 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Well it did say something in that Guardian aritcle about them doing a couple of new songs live.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Sunday, 27 February 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I like "Hard". No, really

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

At Home He's A Tourist was on EMI though

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link

I mean tbh I prefer the album version so maybe it's not a great loss, just if you're gonna do a big box set, with a disc called Singles, you'd think they'd actually put the single on it

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

unless I am mistaken, there has been no notice on ILM that David Pajo has joined what is otherwise a completely credible lineup of King, Burnham and Sara Lee… while I feel pretty much like a putz for not seeing the 2004 tour, the idea of Pajo having an opportunity to go bugshit on top of Lee and Burnham seems pretty enticing…

veronica moser, Sunday, 5 December 2021 20:46 (three years ago) link

Gang of Four Reunite, Plan January Tour!

ufo, Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link

thank you ufo!

veronica moser, Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:40 (three years ago) link

thank you ufo!

veronica moser, Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:40 (three years ago) link

Gang of Four without Andy Gill? Sacrilege!

When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:41 (three years ago) link

Yeah, but I'll be tempted to go for this Go4, if they come close enough geographically. How's the box? Good remasters, good prev. unreleased?

dow, Sunday, 5 December 2021 22:11 (three years ago) link

Ehhhhh, the stuff on the cassette was mostly uninspiring scraps.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 5 December 2021 23:31 (three years ago) link

I kinda always thought the NY Dolls put it so well with the title of that late reunion record "One Day It Will Please Us to Remember Even This". Go to the gigs and have fun with what you got, hopefully they will be a good time. I'm sure David Pajo will give it his all to make it work.

earlnash, Monday, 6 December 2021 00:04 (three years ago) link

Yeah, but I'll be tempted to go for this Go4, if they come close enough geographically. How's the box? Good remasters, good prev. unreleased?


Nice documentation. I was really disappointed it did t include the Fast Product record for completeness.

A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 6 December 2021 00:07 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Looks like Sally Timms will be singing backing vox for at least the Chicago date.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 30 January 2022 20:11 (two years ago) link

Cool

curmudgeon, Monday, 31 January 2022 13:23 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Went to the Brooklyn Made show - it was a lot of fun! Crowd was a pretty good age mix, from I'm guessing late 20's to senior age. The most skeptical remark I overheard was someone saying "it was like watching my dad's older friend's band" which struck me as kind of dumb even though they added they were glad to have seen King et al before they couldn't - the core members have been playing for 45+ years, what did you think they were going to look like? And King performed like a man possessed. He gave it his all and he clearly used up his reserves to deliver - it was likely easier when he was younger, but for someone out-of-shape, I don't think they could've kept pace with the older King for more than a few numbers.

I guess the original line-up played North America for the last time in 2005, correct? Anyone see that tour? I regret missing it - I'm pretty sure I knew and enjoyed at least their debut album by then. How was that tour?

birdistheword, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 21:22 (two years ago) link

Also splurged on a signed tour poster. Basically the cost of another ticket, but they already had a run of bad luck when they cancelled their Toronto show due to their bus catching fire (!) and they seem to give most of their money to good causes anyway.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 21:23 (two years ago) link

Hey there, here is a recording of the Brooklyn gig if you want it, it went up online today and I sent it to a friend who is a diehard fan.

https://www.fromsmash.com/BiS2D6db8e-bt

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 22:04 (two years ago) link

Ah nice! Thanks man!

FWIW, I found this NY Times article about their 2005 reunion, published on Jan. 24, 2005. Gill's passing aside (I'm still sad he's gone, and I never saw him perform), it's amusing to read in light of the current tour since they joke quite a bit about their age.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/24/arts/music/after-postpunk-postpostpunk-by-the-gang-of-four.html

A relevant excerpt for those who encounter a paywall:

"The goal is to be as incredibly intense as we were the first time around," Mr. Allen said. "What we have to do is leave them with their tongues hanging out again. If not, we don't retain our authority in the musical canon. There's no excuse that we're 23 years older."

Mr. Burnham added, "I realized that we could do it because we all still had our hair."

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Mr. Gill is the only band member continuing his recording career, writing soundtracks and producing bands including Killing Joke and the Jesus Lizard. Mr. Burnham, who worked as a band manager and recording-company executive after leaving the Gang of Four, teaches at the New England Institute of Art in Brookline, Mass. The other two members have followed the band's media critiques with media jobs. Mr. King is the chief executive of World Television, which produces news reports, Webcasts and corporate video for clients from Greenpeace to Nestlé. Mr. Allen lives in Portland, Ore., and works in digital-music distribution and brand marketing with his company, Pampelmoose.

The band members had to shape up for the tour. Mr. Burnham hadn't played drums since 1985; he started exercising with his wife, a Pilates trainer. Mr. King, who is still lean, teased the other band members with e-mail messages about the "celebrity fat club." But as they started to relearn the songs, old reflexes came back.

"The blueprint was still in my body," Mr. Allen said.

On the 9-foot-by-18-foot stage of the Montague Arms, Mr. King flailed and twitched, dropped to the floor and leaped up like a funky scarecrow, as hyperactive as he was a generation ago. "It's the tragedy of old age that people stop doing stupid things," he said before the show. "When you're young, you're reckless and oppositional, and that's what you should be your whole life. Why should you not take a risk?"

birdistheword, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 22:10 (two years ago) link

I got to see the ‘05 tour, definitely was a privilege.

Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 00:13 (two years ago) link

Burnham appeared at Pop Con a few years ago. Literate guy.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 00:15 (two years ago) link

Also stumbled upon this from 2010: https://exclaim.ca/music/article/gang_of_four_sell_copies_of_new_album_with_vials_of_their_own_blood

Pretty intense "collector's item."

birdistheword, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 01:05 (two years ago) link

Mr. Allen lives in Portland, Ore., and works in digital-music distribution and brand marketing with his company, Pampelmoose

wait what

is this related to the ILX-famous superstar duo?

thinkmanship (sleeve), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 01:08 (two years ago) link

that's Pomplamoose, but very close!

i read to 69 position (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 02:13 (two years ago) link

I'm connected to Allen on LinkedIn.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 02:17 (two years ago) link

more discussion here :

Gang of Four Live

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 04:10 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

Interesting discovery from another forum:

Not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but I recently got a copy of the standalone Entertainment! LP by Matador, and imagine my surprise to discover it has the full intro to "I Found That Essence Rare" (with the count off and guitar harmonics riff). I noticed that my copy has a different catalog no.—OLE1742LP—as opposed to earlier copies, which have cat. no. OLE1564LP.

Folks who are upset about the missing intro should grab this copy. I wonder if this was just Matador's way of quietly correcting the issue? (If so, that's kinda slimy of them to first deny the mistake by offering a dubious "It's what the band intended" excuse, and then quietly cut and press a second copy with the intro intact.)

I was trying to replace my noisy, worn OG US copy of Entertainment!, and I thought I'd give the Matador reissue a try since it's easy to come by right now, despite the missing intro. Needless to say, I was quite pleasantly surprised to hear the intro there!

birdistheword, Thursday, 12 January 2023 00:49 (one year ago) link

I love that intro, good news

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 12 January 2023 01:14 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

In an answer to someone's question on social media, they said they were planning a more extensive North American tour in 2024.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 23:37 (one year ago) link

Who is in the band now?

dow, Thursday, 25 May 2023 01:10 (one year ago) link

Looks like the same configuration as last year with Sara Lee and David Pajo. They just did a festival show and have more dates this fall in the UK.

birdistheword, Thursday, 25 May 2023 01:15 (one year ago) link

I saw them last week and it was overall a much better show than when they first came through early in 2022. Pajo isn't just copying Andy Gill's guitar lines but instead using them as a launch pad for something more, he and Sara are total MVPs.

This is more or less what it was like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnZbKxC41F0

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 25 May 2023 02:45 (one year ago) link

First part of a multi-part David Pajo interview that's going to be uploaded to this podcast:

https://discograffiti.com/podcast/94-david-pajo-part-1-favorites-as-in-records-firsts-as-in-pre-slint-bands-flavorings-as-in-tortoise-yeah-yeah-yeahs-interpol-gang-of-four/

birdistheword, Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:34 (one year ago) link

That Damaged Goods video sounds like they need to speed it up a bit

nate woolls, Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:49 (one year ago) link

Jon's voice sounds a little tired in that clip. Luckily halfway through he does "that thing live musicians do where they let the crowd sing the chorus."

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 25 May 2023 19:49 (one year ago) link

I almost went to one of their shows. Looking at that video, I'm glad I didn't. Is it just basically all old people trying to re-live their rocker years?

Punster McPunisher, Friday, 26 May 2023 01:48 (one year ago) link

sure looks like it

broken breakbeat (sleeve), Friday, 26 May 2023 01:48 (one year ago) link

You're not wrong.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 26 May 2023 05:13 (one year ago) link

I’m glad I saw the full original lineup reunion in the aughts— Jon was far from tired and seeing Andy shred live was a godlike experience.

Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 26 May 2023 13:35 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

So US tour next year. Is it still Sara Lee, Dave Pajo, Hugo and Jon?

Booger Swamp Road (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 9 October 2024 02:22 (two months ago) link

I think Sara is out, don't know who's on bass

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 02:26 (two months ago) link

It will be Gail Greenwood.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 05:30 (two months ago) link

I see Songs of the Free dropped as a digital remaster last month. Are there any rumors of Hard and Songs of the Free coming as a physical set like the previous albums?

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 9 October 2024 05:50 (two months ago) link

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20241003-why-gang-of-fours-entertainment-was-the-most-blistering-debut-album-of-all-time

Jon King, Hugo Burnham and others on GO4 debut album 45 years later

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 16:21 (two months ago) link

I just wrote about A Brief History Of The Twentieth Century, which I maintain is better than any of their albums, even the debut.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 9 October 2024 17:00 (two months ago) link

Pretty sure a cut-out cassette of that was my introduction to the band, at least before Infinite Zero reissued everything. Man, I miss Infinite Zero ...

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 17:17 (two months ago) link

Reminding me that I think I still have a Peel Sessions EP on late 20th Century vinyl somewhere: always sounded like flying diamond razors, incl. compared to original tracks on Entertainment---prob helped that the 12" EP had all that room for 4-5 cuts, but still---they didn't do a legit live album, did they? What's a good live bootleg (incl. on YouTube)?

dow, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 19:28 (two months ago) link

well there are the (unbelievably great) two live tracks on the B-side of the Another Day Another Dollar EP

go polish your nose ring (sleeve), Wednesday, 9 October 2024 19:50 (two months ago) link

there is an official live album but it's not very good
https://www.discogs.com/master/94851-Gang-Of-Four-At-The-Palace

Booger Swamp Road (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 9 October 2024 21:53 (two months ago) link

It's alright. There's a Peel Sessions CD that is killer.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 9 October 2024 21:58 (two months ago) link

I don’t think they were released physically, but they put half a dozen late ‘70s / early ‘80s live albums on streaming services around the time that “77-81” box set came out a few years ago.

early rejecter, Thursday, 10 October 2024 13:52 (two months ago) link

Here's a really nice, lively audience recording from Minneapolis '79.

https://we.tl/t-n0ask8DNjl

Maresn3st, Thursday, 10 October 2024 13:58 (two months ago) link


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