― Mark, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― o. nate, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― DeRayMi, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dleone, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― ddd, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Has anyone heard any really odd cover versions of this (ie not just Numan's cod-romanticism).I'd also like to hear whatever the Arabic/Chinese/Korean equivalent of this piece is, if there is one - to hear the intensity of cultural convention in the representation of emotion in music.
― Ray M, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I don't know any music theory to back this up with, but it seems to me that I have read that Satie was stepping outside of some aspects of western musical tradition here. Isn't there some playing around with microtones here? or at any rate attempting to simulate them? Anyway, my point is that part of the force of these pieces may be a result of breaking certain conventions; so I'm not sure how representative they are of European music.
I don't know what I would consider equivalent in non-western music. A good oud solo can sometimes put me in a similar space, but the means are a bit different. Not the same sort of repetition.
It was a charge when I recognized it -- deep in the mix but still audible, I seem to recall.
But as you say, there was also something about the chords as well as the repetition.
http://www.zeryab.com/Etaksim.html
A nicer way to say the same thing is to call them "studies in harmonic stasis". Or to be less technical about it, you could just say that they are tranquil, hypnotic and almost otherworldly.
― Jez, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― OleM, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Plus chic
― michael k, Saturday, 3 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 26 March 2004 09:53 (twenty years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Friday, 26 March 2004 10:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 26 March 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 26 March 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago) link
can't go wrong with the two Pascal Roge discs, and I remember loving my ex-girlfriend's 3 CD set by France Clidat, which she sold after listening twice, saying "this is very mean-spirited music & I don't like being mocked"
― (Jon L), Friday, 26 March 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago) link
what he said.
― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 26 March 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 27 March 2004 05:10 (twenty years ago) link
Ciccolini always played Satie's music as though it had been written by Claude Debussy, not by some cheap charlatan or uneducated primitive (which, to an extent that is still debatable, Satie was)
!!!!!
― Dave M. (rotten03), Saturday, 27 March 2004 05:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 27 March 2004 05:43 (twenty years ago) link
the backing music was cleverly assembled as an orchestral medley of French classical classics - and there's one exquisite moment with French countryside and the melody of the most famous of the Gymnopodies - which stands out above all the other tunes.
― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 27 March 2004 05:52 (twenty years ago) link
― darth nader, Saturday, 27 March 2004 22:40 (twenty years ago) link
fucking hell. I should know better than to link to Amazon, but they were the only people with a jpg of the cover.
― (Jon L), Saturday, 27 March 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link
I hear echoes of Trois Gymnopédies in this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_boI5ChieE
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 December 2012 08:11 (eleven years ago) link
haha, i mean in THIS:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zplBqBmqh8I
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 December 2012 08:12 (eleven years ago) link
Every Recording of Gymnopedie No. 1:
6 min: https://soundcloud.com/hey-exit/every-recording-of-gymnopedie-1
30 min. https://soundcloud.com/hey-exit/every-recording-of-gymnopedie-1-slowly
― longform Gordon thinkpiece (Eazy), Sunday, 17 January 2016 07:04 (eight years ago) link
love the concept. Both versions are stunning
― octobeard, Sunday, 17 January 2016 09:18 (eight years ago) link
the short one is great haven't listened to the second one yet. i'm a huge fan of this concept, including that guy who played 100 versions of the white album at the same time: https://soundcloud.com/rc428/side-1-x-100?in=l-b-w/sets/deadly-buzzes
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 17 January 2016 09:25 (eight years ago) link
oops link is to a playlist, here's the real one: https://soundcloud.com/rc428/side-1-x-100
learning how to play this myself recently, i've been listening to lots of different recordings of it. why does everyone perform these at fast tempos??? the slow takes are much, much more moving, in my opinion. the slowest version of No.1 i can find on spotify is a touch over 5 minutes long (by reinbert de leeuw), but most of them clock in around 3 minutes or less! i am bewildered by what appears to be the mainstream tempo interpretation for these pieces. the first song is fucking marked "SLOW AND PAINFUL". have any of these pianists ever endured slow pain? it doesn't sound like a fucking 3:12 version of the first gymnopedie, that's for sure.
anyone have any good slow performance recommendations, besides the reinbert de leeuw versions? i'm not looking for novelty 10% speed remixes, just some SLOW and PAINFUL versions.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 12 August 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
here is every recorded version at the same time:https://soundcloud.com/hey-exit/every-recording-of-gymnopedie-1
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 12 August 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link
Look up Philip Corner’s album “Satie Slowly”. Not as long as five minutes for 1er but still glacial.
― faculty w1fe (silby), Sunday, 12 August 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link
I agree that often his pieces are played too fast but de Leeuw is VERY slow !
― AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 12 August 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
I found a 6 minute no.1 on spotify just now, that's too slow though imo. i like the ones that come in at 4 minutes and change
― ciderpress, Sunday, 12 August 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
i feel similarly about a lot of andante/largo written solo piano stuff re: most recordings being too fast. I'm trying to learn a rachmaninoff prelude (op 23 #4 in D) and almost everyone plays it a full minute faster than what I think sounds good. (ashkenazy nails it though)
― ciderpress, Sunday, 12 August 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
I should learn these though, they fit my style and don't seem very hard for the payoff
― ciderpress, Sunday, 12 August 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
Stunt slowness can easily be overdone imo. After Sviatoslav Richter’s super slow Schubert recordings, which were sometimes profound and sometimes boring, there started this occasional tradition of ridiculously slow recordings of Schubert and Liszt by pianists of later generations which almost never work imo. The molecular cohesion of the music just gives out. That said, totally agree that ‘slow and painful’ was not meant to be a moderate walking pace. Reinbert de Leeuw can definitely pull this kind of thing off - last week I listened to his live performance of a solo piano version of Liszt’s Via Crucis on YouTube which was beyond incredible in its painful stillness (look it up!). Have definitely loved both fast and slow gymnopedies. Gnossienes I like a little faster (walking pace).
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 12 August 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
Not "slow and painful" - think of it as "slow and sorrowfully". The preamble to my ancient copy takes pains to impress that it's dance music so it has to at least kinda lope along a bit rather than a death march.
You can play #1 pretty fast and it sounds great imo (maybe since the tune is so familiar). 2 & 3 don't work as well.
― everything, Sunday, 12 August 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
I like hearing it very slow but I’m playing it somewhere in the neighborhood of mm60 I think which is slow but not funereal. A big thing to me seems to play sempre non rubato, avoid the temptation to slow way down for the cadences.
― faculty w1fe (silby), Sunday, 12 August 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
I’m only like two years and a bit into learning piano so nailing the dynamics is a substantial physical challenge for me. I’ve heard a range of interpretation there as well. How loud do the crescendos get? Where is the forte?
― faculty w1fe (silby), Sunday, 12 August 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link