but back to the subject Andre is def. better than Big Boi and anyone who thinks otherwise is cray, relisten to Andre's "Gangsta Shit" verse. shit even the "So Fresh, So Clean" verse where he raps 100% to the drum hits
― nova, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 08:45 (nine years ago) link
Young Thug's on the Pitchfork list, so=middlebrow, maybe? And in reply to The Reverend way above I meant his approach/image is sort of sloppy, not his technique, tho I hadn't actually thought abt it it till you mentioned it
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 09:56 (nine years ago) link
The Roots are true middle brow rap for naming an album after a Malcolm Gladwell book
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 12:01 (nine years ago) link
Illadelph Half-life is by far my favorite Malcolm Gladwell book
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 12:27 (nine years ago) link
Lmao at nova judging Juicy J w/o knowing 3-6
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 12:28 (nine years ago) link
"I'm just saying, Ice Cube sucks...based on Are We There Yet?... Not familiar with NWA"
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 12:30 (nine years ago) link
novaPosted: August 20, 2014 at 12:10:30 AM
I feel the same way about Keef as I do about Juicy J in that their voices are terrible
not sure someone who doesnt have any ears is the best to judge this
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 13:51 (nine years ago) link
i mean both of those guys have notably amazing voices and its a big part of how they operate
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 13:52 (nine years ago) link
I'm confused - would liking Chief Keef make me highbrow or lowbrow
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link
I think it depends on your reasons for liking him
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link
As for what highbrow rap is, think Native Tongues stuff/Shabazz Palaces seems abt right
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 15:29 (nine years ago) link
pfff try some immortal technique, learn something
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 15:33 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/cqVKrWh.jpg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 15:35 (nine years ago) link
Already know about chem trails thanks
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 15:35 (nine years ago) link
tech n9ne is pretty cool, a lot more creative than most rappers today
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 15:48 (nine years ago) link
a classic example of highbrow rap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTjt6bKlubQ
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link
oi I meant "highbrow" in a purely "Could I think of some examples" way, there prob aren't any really (good)
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link
Also that ws a cool track
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:00 (nine years ago) link
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:48 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
very creative
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
I don't know if it's by people not really listening to the actual music instead of just reacting to the idea of what "Native Tongues" represented or people not really understanding the context of hip hop at the time they were formed, but I find it really odd how some people talk about Native Tongues. They were very afrocentric and black pride but very far from what ppl's idea of "political rap" or "positive rap" is...at the time the striking thing about them wasn't really their politicalness, which was really expressed more through their general vibe and the way they presented themselves as part of a long line of slightly bohemian, jazz influenced black music....but the thing that distinguished them at the time from the Public Enemies and BDPs and NWAs and Too Shorts and Kool G Raps was a sense of playfulness, which had a lot of sex in in (a much less aggressive and maybe more female inclusive sexuality - monie love and latifah being a part of it obv) in stuff like Bonita Applebum and Buddy etc etc.....it was really more of a look at a slightly more "middle class" black rap culture, but it was also an extension - made the most explicit by the Jungle Borothers - of Afrika Bambaataa and the Zulu Nation - dancing and music and fun as a political statement and a form of resistance to both the power structures and the troubles of the neighborhoods they lived it.....was also represented in their look, the more colorful boho clothes, africa medallions etc (again they were de facto political IMO even when doing stuff like Buddy)....also referencing back to the jazz world, Ron Carter, etc...
I hate it when it's portrayed as some corny or overtly preachy "message" thing, it wasn't that at all. Public Enemy was more like that, but with Ferguson going on right now who the fuck is gonna tell Chuck he was wrong?
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
agree w all that
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link
esp the middle class part
Great post upper, ws listening to Done By the Forces of Nature tonight and well put
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link
altho lol @ the course this thread has taken we should just move this over to the rolling irrelevant rap bro thread
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:15 (nine years ago) link
Depends if you think Sir Lucious Left Foot listeners of the future're going to be pissed
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/2bGUnk9.jpg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
awww :) such cuties
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 16:26 (nine years ago) link
young thug isn't middlebrow but there are aspects of his persona that def appeal to the (and middlebrow prob isn't even the best word for this) generic tastes of ppl who enjoy rap for its 'wacky characters' aspects instead of the music
the only people keef's buzz has disappeared w/ are media types, i mean the hottest rookie rapper of 2014 just got signed aping the GBE sound of two years ago
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 17:09 (nine years ago) link
who dat?
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya srsly get yr head out the hypecycle people
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 17:12 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBXniiEgmMk xp
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 17:12 (nine years ago) link
i watched an interview and they asked him where his hat went and he said "straight to the top" lol he is v charming
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 17:13 (nine years ago) link
I like that song but less so this one, altho its Chicago derivativeness is way more evident:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDy_LslMm4I
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 17:15 (nine years ago) link
this stuff is not bad but yeah I find the beats/music totally boring
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 17:21 (nine years ago) link
this is my own personal idiosyncrasy but the further rap moves away from funk rhythms usually the less I care about it on a strictly musical level. why because I am old and conservative now lol
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 17:23 (nine years ago) link
tastes of ppl who enjoy rap for its 'wacky characters'
and idk if this is directed at me or not but Waka and Keef are not wacky characters...? they're def caricatures of a certain type
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 17:24 (nine years ago) link
can u read? young thug, dude
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 17:26 (nine years ago) link
and no, human beings are not caricatures
ok nm
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 17:28 (nine years ago) link
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, August 20, 2014 5:28 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm not judging his career tho, i'm just saying I don't like his recent shit & I'd be cool never hearing "Dark Horse" again (that's not entirely his fault though)
― nova, Thursday, 21 August 2014 04:05 (nine years ago) link
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:09 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok but isn't this always gonna be an element with left-field creative types, no real getting away from it
also I don't think finding some of dude's lyrics/delivery amusing or getting amped to the "wackier"/wilder elements of his flow/beats has to be condescending or ironic
― nova, Thursday, 21 August 2014 04:08 (nine years ago) link
BOOMING POST, ums
― The Reverend, Thursday, 21 August 2014 04:44 (nine years ago) link
yeah, just yeah
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Thursday, 21 August 2014 04:55 (nine years ago) link
I don't know if it's by people not really listening to the actual music instead of just reacting to the idea of what "Native Tongues" represented
it's gotta be this, i don't know how anyone could listen to tribe or jungle brothers or de la soul and come away with "preachy"
― brimstead, Thursday, 21 August 2014 04:59 (nine years ago) link
it's some of the funnest, most laid back music ever made
― The Reverend, Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tru
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 21 August 2014 05:02 (nine years ago) link
Yeah the perception of Native Tongues got to be that they were preachy and boring so quickly, that's how they seemed to me when I started listening to hiphop in the mid90s. Thing is I kept hearing A Tribe Called Quest singles and got over it p quick
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Thursday, 21 August 2014 05:08 (nine years ago) link
Oh and brimstead otm
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Thursday, 21 August 2014 05:09 (nine years ago) link
I've tried to articulate those points in that past and failed. I will probably be referencing and/or copy n pasting that post for many years.
― FKATlovestofu better (Spottie), Thursday, 21 August 2014 05:25 (nine years ago) link
Really the Tongues only started getting preachy in 96 and even then not all of them.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 21 August 2014 06:07 (nine years ago) link