Harsh or no, I think he was given quite a few warnings about dropping it and ignored them.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
the 28 days would be a result of the number of days in temp bans increasing every time you get one + the number of times whiney has been temped - just fyi
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
What just happened? Why was Whiney banned? Does it have something to do with my username? I'm genuinely curious, as this is the only one of the IL_ boards I post on so it's very, very possible there's something I missed.
― No Means Yes. Yes Means Anal. (unperson), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
this is kind of a side thing, but fwiw a lot of people have a problem with your display name and would really prefer if you changed it
― markers, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh, this is only going to feed his righteous indignation over the whole thing
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:36 (14 minutes ago)
^^^^
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously dude, I'm only changing mine when you change yours
― Colombian means Curvy. Curvy means Wife. (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
You did miss something.
You should still change your display name, since even knowing the context behind it still leaves it bordering on being a gross rape joke.
― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Just change your fucking username. Christ.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
omg totally know that girl in "Sexual Aids" - her name is Meredith
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEszTzdUMcY
― am0n, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
So I guess that's Cake Shop in NYC, right?
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Henry comes off like a colossal dick in this clip
― klacktoveedesteen (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
um but I guess this thread is about something else now? lol
― klacktoveedesteen (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
you guys and your silly bickering
Rollins comes off like a complete idiot full of the most ridiculous assumptions in this video. Those kids seem to like his music.
― prettylikealaindelon, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I don't really understand why he immediately goes after them for being egotistical trust funder elitists and whatnot? because they recognized him and yelled "Get in the van" at him? wtf
― klacktoveedesteen (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
The idea of ALL HIPSTERS ARE *THIS*, AND *THIS* IS DESPICABLE RAARHRRAHRAR is soooo fucking played. Because apparently you're not allowed to wear skinny jeans and listen to AnCo without a trust fund and hefty dose of condescension or something?
― twisted sister hazel dickens (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
But at this point even saying ^^^^ that is soooo fucking played. Why is this shit even still going on?
― twisted sister hazel dickens (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i can see how "OMG HENRY ROLLINS LOL" would be irritating, but yeah, Rollins is a total paranoid, egomaniacal shithead here. seem like he went into the place looking for a confrontation.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
you're not allowed to wear skinny jeans and listen to AnCo without a trust fund and hefty dose of condescension
that sounds about right
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
It's worth remembering that Rollins is a) a socially awkward nerd (I've met him and interviewed him twice in person and twice by phone) and b) a guy people used to stub out cigarettes on, throw things at and start fights with during Black Flag sets, so the idea that he might be a little more guarded, and might perceive slights more quickly, than your average person isn't totally surprising to me.
― new non-rapey display name (unperson), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
he got thrown through a sliding glass door by al pacino of all people too, ffs
― omar little, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ygDMHnt-Lg
― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Das Sweatshirt vermisse ich.
― del griffith, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
not to mention crucified by dolph lundgren
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
It's worth remembering that Rollins is a) a socially awkward nerd (I've met him and interviewed him twice in person and twice by phone) and b) a guy people used to stub out cigarettes on, throw things at and start fights with during Black Flag sets
i don't know if i'd classify a guy who does spoken word, is a talking head on just about everything, had his own interview show, etc. as a genuinely socially awkward nerd. also re: Blak Flag, it's not like he was being picked on or anything. BF and Rollins had a certain reputation and he played to it.
xpsts
― circa1916, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Those elitist assholes shouldn't bring up his grammy winning audiobook thankyouverymuch.
― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Really the only reasonable person here is the lady hanging with Henry. The Cakeshop women were off camera, so their claim of just wanting to hang out seems a little bogus. They acted out and pretty much asked for H. to confront them. Fairly easy to imagine that they knew he may be an easy mark.
As far as them being into his music and thus on his side (and undeserved of the "Rollins treatment"), it's hard to imagine many people saying on camera "Black Flag sucked" or some such thing. A general bad showing all around.
― grandavis, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
― new non-rapey display name (unperson), Wednesday, November 3, 2010 5:32 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
is this really any better? there must be a username you can think of that just doesn't reference rape at all.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
smh
― markers, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
why do you guys even care
― klacktoveedesteen (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
lex otm
― only! assholes! write on doors! (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
well, i don't find it anything more than something to roll my eyes at, but there's more than one rape survivor - that i'm even aware of - on ilx
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Those hipsters were probably just in the shop anyway, they see Rollins and they wanna talk to him. It's not like they were being explicitly elitist as Rollins had warned. They didn't 'act out', they didn't seem to have bad intentions and when Rollins comes over to greet them he is the one who looks like 'a total paranoid, egomaniacal shithead'.
― prettylikealaindelon, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i can't believe anyone would try to defend Rollins' behavior in that video. felt really bad for the hipsters and for Shirin Neshat.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Not defending Henry, just saying that there is blame to go around. There are ways to decide to talk to someone that do not involve yelling things from off camera is all I'm saying. Of course Rollins was a pud about it, totally. What I am suggesting is that, just maybe, they knew he would be.
― grandavis, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I would be very disappointed if Rollins behaved like Neil Gaiman in public.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Of all the offensive display names I've seen over the years, I'm kinda surprised this is the one to ruffle so many feathers. Oh yeah, wait a minute, the offender isn't part of the 77 clique. That explains it all. I mean, come on, if Whiney or, say, deej, used that display name as a "joke" it wouldn't have been such an issue.
Not to say I condone "rape joke" display names, mind, but this is such a weird one for people like Whiney to draw a fine line around.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
he got thrown through a sliding glass door by al pacino of all people too, ffs― omar little, Wednesday, November 3, 2010 1:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
― omar little, Wednesday, November 3, 2010 1:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
That scene always bugged me! Pacino's so shrimpy, I didn't buy it for a second.
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/pictures/2009/1/27/1233078219288/Neil-Gaiman-001.jpg
― prettylikealaindelon, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, seems like he has the self-awareness to know he is being a dick and know that he is going to be a dick, but not the self-control to stop himself. the way he held onto Shirin Neshat's shoulders while she has this incredibly uncomfortable, apologetic look on her face made me squirm. (xpost)
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
rollins' imdb bio says he's 5' 9 1/2" but i think they're being generous by a couple inches.
― omar little, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
weird conflation of rollins and whiney behavior itt
― String Yr BLOBs (bnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought Rollins was being funny like dumb stereotypes about music isn't he some jazz wanker or something? How can you take him seriously he is clearly being sarcastic or have you never heard his spoken word. Not like some band called Sexual Aids is some high minded art band....
― like you really know who trisomie 21 is (u s steel), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
where do you guys rate doucheyness of rollins versus jose canseco (another dude who, if he had practiced the neil gaiman school of social graces, would not have made the excellent "I trolled jose canseco" thread possible)?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
the way he held onto Shirin Neshat's shoulders while she has this incredibly uncomfortable, apologetic look on her face made me squirm.
The way he was parading her around, like she was an anti-hipster human shield or something... christ.
― like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
just the sanctimony of "this is Shirin Neshat, you should know who she is" is like...I mean...I am a sanctimonious fuckin guy, so if I notice your sanctimony, you're doing something wrong
― honkin' on joey kramer (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Rollins came off more as insecure rather than doucheyThat was a panic move
― PEAVEY Ó))) (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
the 77 clique!!!!!!!!!!
― max, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
High vote for Rollins here...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 09:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Right,I have actually got round to seeing the vid.
He comes over as not a douchebag at all. Someone shouts him, he goes up to them and engages. not in a threatening way.
He may come over as less than modest about his book, but at least she now knows what it was about.
Oh, and the people in the shop are also not douchebags. No-one was insulted or insulting.
So, there you go.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I think they were mocking him, but backed down when he came over, trying to make it appear that they were just fans.
― /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\||||||( *__* )||||||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (res), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
so are we assuming that the average nyc hipster recognizes henry rollins on sight... but only in order to mock him?
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Mocking is not exactly 'insulting', really.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
He's maybe not a 'douchebag', but he is very intense and overbearing in a way that doesn't look at all fun to be around. Everyone else in the video is just a person doing normal stuff.
― A brownish area with points (chap), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
At the start of the video Rollins was just a person doing normal stuff, he was looking at records and talking about them... Its not like he burst through the doors and called them all fuckfaces.
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
is it normal to film yrself doing normal stuff
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
+ not that they could have possibly known it at the time unless they had super-keen hearing, but he was ALREADY being kind of a dick just talking about the records
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
those poor records!
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
uhhh i mean i don't know what the larger context of this trip to the record store is, but talking about how "elitist" a store is while you rifle through their shelves pulling out cool albums to show your friend is p.douchey
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
"here we are at my favorite sushi place — as you can see there is a lot of good sushi on the menu, and that is because only elitist sushi-obsessed snobs who hate me come here to eat"
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
some of the stuff he says is complete aids
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Have Pomplamoose covered any Black Flag songs yet? I behind on ILX reading and want to collapse as many threads as possible.
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link
(xp) there must be a post you can think of that just doesn't reference aids at all. i don't find it anything more than something to roll my eyes at, but there's more than one aids survivor - that i'm even aware of - on ilx
― ☜(⌒▽⌒)☞ (jeff), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty prominent video, but the guy is a complete ass in thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_3g4QPojMc
― heh (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean here's this dude vehemently against hipsters and he accuses some 14 year old kid of not knowing enough about "good music".
― heh (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^^^
Wow, that 1984 clip brings back all my mixed feelings about Black Flag at the time.
I will say this: Not all social behavior on the other side of decent is equally bad, and that kind of confrontational narcissism is both very '84 punk and very sociable in its stunted way--the idea of putting it all out there (including prejudices), making people defend themselves, snapping them out of politeness, challenging received thinking, etc. If there are less healthy impulses mixed in (aggressiveness, asking questions so loaded you couldn't possibly want an answer), that only shows the risks of living too long on the other side.
The reason the kid isn't too shocked is he's used it. (Even Henry touching his hair is very slam-pit, somewhere between tenderness and a prelude to a fight.) He runs the interview in that same play-acting way until the tables get turned, and obviously doesn't know what to make of Kira, who's unacculturated enough to think she's being interviewed. And as if to confirm Henry's paranoia, he invokes the common, automated critique of Black Flag at the time--that they were playing "heavy metal," "selling out," not playing "TV Party" etc.
So I don't see a bully and a kid, I see a bunch of kids trying to figure out who they are in a radical situation. And there's a bit of punk culture-clash in the New York footage too, where, what, these women are surprised Henry Rollins is baiting them with whatever demons lurk in his head rather than asking them questions and getting to know them after they yell, "Get in the van!"?
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, December 20, 2010 7:35 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Punk attitude confuses the hell out of me. It's a rebellion against everything, including itself, so it's hard for me to tell when somebody is acting punk... or being punk in the face of perceived notions of punk? I don't know.
― heh (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:56 (thirteen years ago) link
being in black flag, for many people in the group (not least rollins, treated like a human ashtray by some in the audience), seemed to be about positioning yourself in opposition to everything, including your fans.
― this guy ☜ (stevie), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 08:54 (thirteen years ago) link
and a lot of their behaviour, imho, is down to being pretty damaged people in their own right, participating in a project that wasn't designed as a healing process, if that makes sense.
― this guy ☜ (stevie), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link
but talking about how "elitist" a store is
tbh, I thought he was being reasonably non-sarcastic here.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah sorry jeff that was my bad! stupid schoolyard slang
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
― heh (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:56 (12 hours ago)
don't get rollins at all, just seems awful, his obscure logic and weird emo roidhead persona
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xMkHgan0Y
― Moka, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 06:40 (ten years ago) link
thing abt fucking w rollins is if youre into his music u kno hes like a rattlesnake
those ladies and the kid above kno who theyre dealing w and probably anticipated some confrontation with their comments (ladies: ha u wrote that book man; boy: going heavy metal eh fellas?) which is probably how they got their kicks, the boy handled himself rly well and trolled him back good tho
so yes rollins is/was a douche but i mean why taunt the guy unless you want to put up w his dickish antics
taunting him even slightly knowing how easily u can wind him up also makes u a bit of a douche tho not as much as rollins sure
but people liked to push rollins' buttons
heres a fun one by my man nardwuar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt8i4lStIxg
― infinity (∞), Saturday, 30 December 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link