I try and keep putting links to The Quietus to a minimum but I guess a lot of people will be interested in this.
Mark E. Smith claims next year's album sounds a bit like "Greek heavy metal".
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 14:15 (fifteen years ago)
MES, he's not from Birmingham!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 14:30 (fifteen years ago)
Ha ha! You were there?
"These New Puritans... I heard them on the radio... they are the most irritating..."
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 14:35 (fifteen years ago)
No, just read the story there...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 14:43 (fifteen years ago)
Ah! It is remarkably easy to confuse me...
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 14:45 (fifteen years ago)
"Ersatz G.B." is out this month. Who's heard it yet?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 4 November 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
Anyone know about a planned U.S. release for this?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 17:40 (fourteen years ago)
It's good but not quite bedded in for me yet. I'm having really serious trouble with my hearing because of an ear infection that won't clear up so frustratingly I can only listen to everything really quiet. Greenway is one of my tracks of the year though.
― Conan The Asshander (Doran), Friday, 4 November 2011 17:42 (fourteen years ago)
I've heard it. There's some good tracks (yeah, Greenway), but I'm not all that into it. So far, at least...
― lone tripster syndrome (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 4 November 2011 18:19 (fourteen years ago)
oh, time to turn on my excitement meter!
― sleeve, Friday, 4 November 2011 19:30 (fourteen years ago)
Every Fall album since "Extricate" takes a good 3-6 listens before I find my way to the heart of it and separate the wheat from the chaff - and there's always clear winners and lesser tracks for me. But which is which isn't always immediately apparent.
Doran, much respect for your continuing championing of this still vital band. Peelie would be proud.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 4 November 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)
Is Greenway about PEEEEDDDEEERRRR GGRRREEEEENNAWAYYYYYYYaah...
― The Pastiche Liberation Front (sonnyboy), Friday, 4 November 2011 23:47 (fourteen years ago)
I'm unsure about this new one on three listens yet, but the song where Mark constantly rhymes about Gossip Girl plotlines is pretty LOL.
― Michael F Gill, Friday, 4 November 2011 23:51 (fourteen years ago)
I had to choose half an hour play list for BBC Radio 6 Music tonight and they edited out the "I had to wank off the dog to feed the cat" lyrics from Greenway.
I think of it as an unofficial sequel to Gut Of The Quantifier.
― Conan The Asshander (Doran), Saturday, 5 November 2011 00:12 (fourteen years ago)
Very interested to hear this. Well obviously, but also because Your Future Our Clutter, which I thought was excellent, had a couple of fairly exotic things going for it. One was that the first version was sent back by the record company with the instruction that it needed more work, and the second, more important probably, was the whole hospitalisation theme gave it a special atmosphere which would be unlikely to be repeated a second time. The albums previous to that, while enjoyable enough, were all super-problematic for me. So very interested to see which way this one goes. Saw excellent live versions earlier in the year, but that's more or less meaningless as a benchmark these days.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Saturday, 5 November 2011 12:11 (fourteen years ago)
I don't find it as good as YFOC so far (Mark seems more interested in ranting than any kind of melody or repetition this time), but like that album it has a unified sound. It's weird to hear "evenness" throughout an entire Fall album.
― Michael F Gill, Saturday, 5 November 2011 16:37 (fourteen years ago)
I didn't get YFOC at all for a *long* time and then it ended up being my favorite album of the year, so no idea how this will go. At the moment, nothing grabs me...
― dlp9001, Sunday, 6 November 2011 13:40 (fourteen years ago)
Listening to the single today (Laptop Dog, Cosmos 7 (single version), Monocard (Lunatic Mix)). Wasn't expecting much, of this or the album.
But Cosmos 7 and Monocard are very good indeed! Cosmos 7 is rockabilly science-fiction ("FURY ON COSMOS 7! Reptilian mythical, sea tremor", then "Cosmos AWAKE!" repeated towards the end).
Monocard (Lunatic Mix) is a sinister and dreary 8 minute trudge, in the vein of Mark'll Sink Us and Theme from Error-Orror, that sparkles blackly and builds up great lyrical force as it goes. Appears to be about some dangerous malignant entity that the narrator is a guest of, ah, amongst other things ('At my peril and at your demand', 'Showbiz and apprentice kneel before, O! Monocard. Their Lord Monocard. His Grace. His perfect station.' It is one of those Fall songs that has a lumbering, perpetually slowing anti-momentum, which feels like it must cease under it's own weight, but is nevertheless kept going by a grinding force of instrumental will.
Laptop Dog is fairly anonymous.
I had quite low expectations, but now I've got very high expectations of the album. Good. Although I do wonder if this is the remix of Monocard, a song I'm already considering as unimprovable, what the LP versions of it and Cosmos 7 are like.
...(a couple of listens later) I'm really enjoying this.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 7 November 2011 19:16 (fourteen years ago)
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― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 7 November 2011 19:22 (fourteen years ago)
Amazon have got a non-import version down for December 6th. Don't know whether such things are reliable info or not.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 7 November 2011 19:29 (fourteen years ago)
is that single available anywhere as an actual CD or vinyl? or is is still promo-only?
― sleeve, Monday, 7 November 2011 19:33 (fourteen years ago)
Well, apparently there is a limited edition 7" available from the record company. I don't know anyone who was buying it though. Not sure how limited it is, but it's hard to believe it'll sell out.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 7 November 2011 19:42 (fourteen years ago)
what label did this record end up being on? in the orig article upthread it mentions that there wasn't one at that point.
― sleeve, Monday, 7 November 2011 20:49 (fourteen years ago)
Cherry Red.
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)
thanks, I just ordered it!
― sleeve, Monday, 7 November 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)
Ok, after a bunch of listens, very fond of this. Nothing seems quite as amazing/unexpected as the high points from YFOC, but it's pretty much solid right through. Anyone know the deal with the alternate tracklisting here:
http://lifeisnoise.com/2011/09/09/the-real-new-fall-lp-ersatz-g-b/
It's an older article. Maybe a mistake, maybe renaming of tracks, or maybe things changed?
― dlp9001, Thursday, 10 November 2011 17:49 (fourteen years ago)
tracks were renamed
― fit and working again, Thursday, 10 November 2011 18:00 (fourteen years ago)
1. Cosmos 72. Taking Off3. Nate Will Not Return (originally listed under the title "Kennedy")4. Mask Search5. Greenway6. Happi Song7. Monocard8. Laptop Dog (originally listed as "Laptop")9. I’ve Seen Them Come (originally listed as "I've Seen Them")10. Age Of Chang (originally listed as "Change")
― fit and working again, Thursday, 10 November 2011 18:01 (fourteen years ago)
they edited out the "I had to wank off the dog to feed the cat" lyrics from Greenway.
wait is the fall covering jon wayne now
― the boy with the gorn at his side (Edward III), Thursday, 10 November 2011 18:55 (fourteen years ago)
i knew i'd heard that line somewhere before....
― fit and working again, Thursday, 10 November 2011 21:37 (fourteen years ago)
Maybe this is obvious, but I was looking around for some way to get the single and suddenly noticed that iTunes has it. Single version of Cosmos 7 I like a lot. It's creeeepy.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 12 November 2011 15:26 (fourteen years ago)
Amazon has it too.
― Michael F Gill, Sunday, 13 November 2011 05:50 (fourteen years ago)
really not feeling compelled to return to this one at this moment, sadly. none of the continuous and surprising highs of YF,OC - seems like there's a lot of waiting around for the good bits to happen on this one - a feeling i never got from the previous LP.
― matt h, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
Has this been linked elsewhere?http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/life-lessons-mark-e-smith-on-bullying-the-occult-and-why-stalin-had-the-right-idea-6260036.html
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:23 (fourteen years ago)
wow, that is extensive, thank u
― sleeve, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:46 (fourteen years ago)
Yeah just finished reading that, thanks!
― Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:51 (fourteen years ago)
Really liked the last two albums but sadly not feeling this one at all. Happi Song is quite sweet but apart from that nothing else stood out.
― Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:55 (fourteen years ago)
I felt the same way initially, but it's actually pretty great...
― dlp9001, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 23:23 (fourteen years ago)
One of the best interviews there, and they are never bad!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 00:17 (fourteen years ago)
Second dlp.
Was EXTREMELY disappointed with this when it came out. Then gradually it just started to creep up on me. Now I think it's an absolute gas - it seems to hit the same centres of pure pleasure as Tromatic Reflexxions.
Nothing about it will reverse the convictions anyone who's come to the (perhaps understandable) conclusion that their best days are behind them, and that the albums are now barely worth listening to - if anything the opposite. But whatever it is that certain recent albums have lacked, this has got in abundance.
I think, I think it's got to do with the amount of musical detail and the fun Smith has with the vocals (which results in its own detail). So many strange details.
It should be said that the lyrics probably aren't up to much generally (although his delivery turns many a sow's ear into a silk purse), but there is some great stuff on here as well, particularly like much of the lyrical atmosphere of Monocard:
"I walk into villageFate infectedTrenches in Hounslow"
etc
― Fizzles, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 22:57 (fourteen years ago)
It's been said that every Fall album in recent years is at least half great and this one is no exception. It's also true new Fall albums take their time revealing which bits are the best and with each listen I find new things to love. Long may MES follow his peculiar vision!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:31 (fourteen years ago)
Monocard is astounding. Why didn't I put it on my Fall tracks ballot?
― OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Monday, 27 May 2013 22:06 (thirteen years ago)
Still haven't heard the new one. Bet it doesn't have anything as good as Monocard on it