@somanyshrimpreasonably confident that finally rich will ultimately be considered a classic tbh
― some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
4:16 PM - 15 Dec 12 ·
yes lex is definitely going to be the voice of reason here
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:03 AM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fwiw this was about how i think others are going to perceive it at a future date & wasnt my own take on the record
the thing about iTunes is they update their sales ranks constantly (hourly?) so if you get a cult rushing the gates when something first drops, that doesn't necessarily mean it'll sell enough throughout the week to do major damage on the Billboard charts. although it would be pretty cool if she does crazy numbers for an independent R&B release.
― some dude, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:51 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fwiw, Armor On placed at #145 on the BB200. I think this will do better than that just on account of her having solidified her fanbase but not exactly knocking down the top ten.
also, lol at "LARP&B"
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
i would never, ever use the word "classic" about an album in its week of release lol
save that for the kendrick stans
― lex pretend, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:00 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no but you said "MASTERPIECE" same thing
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
on a more substantive note, it's "the proof was in the flood"??
― goole, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
the flood of pudding, obv
― some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
i guess that makes sense next to "hurricane"
― goole, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, I'd always heard that as "in the blood" and still do
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
"classic" has connotations of standing the test of time, "masterpiece" is a more subjective thing
xp "the proof is in my blood"
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
lyrics - http://www.slideshare.net/Dawn_Richard/dawn-richard-goldenheart-lyrics
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:16 (eleven years ago) link
the beginning of the video says "chapter one: the proof was in the flood" though
― some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
oh weird so do those official lyrics - the lyric docs the PR sent me say "in the blood"
WHO KNOWS
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
her lip-syncing looks like "flood" to me. kind of.
― goole, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
abiguity!! 10/10 classic!!
haha
― DJP, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
you mean Masterpiece
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
I always thought she was talking about katrina and the resulting flooding.
― prolego, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that makes sense, with the line about hurricanes coming before it. duhhh @ me
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
I’ve been searchingTrying to find my way backMy way back to the throneAnd I know If I couldclimb, crawl, fallBreak these wallsThen maybe I’ll get homeI’m building it upTo break it back downWe’re building it upTo burn it downWe can’t waitTo burn it to the ground
― Evan R, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
Listening again and the Riot - Gleaux - Pretty Wicked Things section is a real drag, which is weird given they're the bangers, but they've got the sort of dead-eyed detachment you expect from lesser artists/complete hacks.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
From 86 to the end is unfuckable with though.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
86 heart heart heart
probably the song I'll direct Dawn newcomers to from now on
― Evan R, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
just the song, not the video
― queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
haha yeah
― some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
The intro to "Gleaux" is gorgeous.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
hahah, there are so many landmines to tip toe when trying to sell Dawn. "no, no, I swear, it doesn't sound like Danity Kane." "Yeah, but that Dirty Money was actually really good though, for real." "Just ignore the Xena warrior princess shit."
She doesn't make it easy.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
why would anyone think there's anything wrong with danity kane, dirty money or xena warrior princess?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
you already KNOW that most of the people listening to her solo records never checked for Danity Kane, what's with the act
― some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
i mean i get they're not the ~trendy~ buzzwords du jour and if she was all 80s reverb triangles self-pitying melancholy seapunk chillwave hanging out with grizzly bear you could sell her way easier but why would you want that?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
did danity kane even have a big enough profile to put anyone off?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
― goole, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:11 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the f is actually an old-timey s, she's singing the proof was in the slood, like you know how a slood is... wait
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
Danity Kane weren't unavoidably huge but i mean two #1 albums ain't bad as public profiles go
― some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think Danity Kane was very good. But the bigger problem with that reference point is that Danity Kane was the quintessential manufactured band—literally pieced together on television. Dawn's solo albums, though, are defined by her autonomy.
I'm not assigning values to either approach or saying one is better than the other, but it makes the Danity Kane reference point doubly misleading
― Evan R, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
Ahem anyway going back to talking about the album - I think the fact that exactly the same vocal treatment is used on every single track goes some way towards explaining accusations of samey-ness. I'm not really that keen on the autotune that's all over this, she's evidently got a great voice and it just flattens everything out, especially the high notes and melisma when she should be sounding her most expressive. It gets kind of frustrating after an hour. I mean she used the same trick over most of Armor On so maybe I wouldn't care if the songs were better but I can't help but feel a lack of joie de vivre here.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
http://youtu.be/JqQ-vL2AinQ
― Evan R, Friday, 18 January 2013 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
OK, I'll bite the bullet and admit I don't know how to embed YouTube videos on this site anymore. What am I doing wrong?
― Evan R, Friday, 18 January 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
Don't do the short version of the address. Do the full version.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 January 2013 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
the URL (without spaces) should look like:
http:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=[videoID]
URLs that start with that pattern will autoembed. Don't use the shortened share URL and don't use secured (https) URLs
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Friday, 18 January 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks! OK, lemme try this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqQ-vL2AinQ&feature=youtu.be
― Evan R, Friday, 18 January 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
Terrible. Sorry everybody.
― Evan R, Friday, 18 January 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
Dope
― queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 18 January 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
Wow I really like this whole album.
I will contribute this which I feel has some sonic similarities to Goldenheart (mostly the hand claps).
― hurricane weather (forapper), Friday, 18 January 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
confused as to how there somehow isn't a pop track to rally around. like, actually mystified. how is "Riot" not blatantly, completely that? does it need to cram in *more* radio trends (house beat, 4/4 handclaps, squelchy synth, vocal stutters, the MELODY FROM MOVES LIKE JAGGER EVEN)? (n.b. I really like "Riot" but ffs) "Pretty Wicked Things" has a fucking dubstep drop! I mean, sure, this probably is not going to go anywhere near radio, any format, but those are marketing factors, not anything in the music. (and I've love to be proven wrong)
oh, and I really, really like this album, a lot more than _Armor On_. which I did hear and wasn't as impressed as others. "Frequency" probably most slept on track.
― katherine, Friday, 18 January 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
Love this album.
― MikoMcha, Saturday, 19 January 2013 04:21 (eleven years ago) link
"'86" is the single, makes sense to me as the most accessible song on the album even if i don't see it helping her odds of ever getting on the radio.
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 04:25 (eleven years ago) link
Not sure if 86 is especially the most accessible - it is one of my favorites - but my only complaint about this album is that there's a lot to take in And that I could have probably done without the title track...
― MikoMcha, Saturday, 19 January 2013 04:28 (eleven years ago) link
Agreed re title track. As a general rule Dawn is better when the music is honed in on rhythms so it stands to reason that a piano ballad would be a stretch.
Mind you I've only gotten this in the last few hours and listened to it once. What did strike me though is that in some ways this reminds me more of #A Tell-Tale Heart than Armor On - that sense of consistency of vibe and the flow from track to track being more important than the individual songwriting.
"Frequency" hit me hardest on the first run through.
― Tim F, Saturday, 19 January 2013 04:35 (eleven years ago) link
'accessible' is kind of subjective, i guess, i just meant a slow jam like "'86" has a little more mainstream potential than most of the stuff on the album. she's good at those kinds of songs but hasn't done them much since A Tell-Tale Heart xp
― the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Saturday, 19 January 2013 04:35 (eleven years ago) link