Benjamin Orr vs Doug Yule

Yule's gonna drive you home ... tonight.

both of them were much better singers than their more-famous counterparts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hwE0slNd3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpA3NVafsdo

xpost and yet plenty of cars/velvets fans can go years without realizing lou/ric didn't sing some of their tracks

i don't think orr sounded that much like ocasek. ymmv.

Dougie

Ben Orr singing the Cars' best early singles

vs

Doug Yule filling in for Lou Reed cuz Lou's voice was shot

Now that I'm aware both groups rocked two singers I can tell the difference, but in high school I just assumed Lou could sing far prettier in 1969 when he wanted to than he could later on. And never would have guessed "My Best Friend's Girl" and "Just What I Needed" had different singers.

Ric Ocasek looks kinda like a cross between Cale and Reed tho

I think part of my adolescent obliviousness re: Yule/Orr was probably helped by the words "Yule" and "Orr" rarely appearing in articles about the Velvets reunion or Ric exploiting his Weezer success.

rejected thread titles: "all mixed up"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDnvHZO3zSg

there is no "or" for me, only Orr

I have to admit a weakness for this synth gunk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwWTLREMpTc

Other guy's a good singer but Dougie for me every time

one of these people sang Candy Says

fuck doug yule imo

Yule and unusual punishment, etc.

(Just wanted to write that)

Yule (Orr's Somebody Like Yule)

one of these people sang Candy Says

But yeah, Ben Orr was good too.

ben orr's 60s band was the house band on Upbeat, a tv show ... that the Velvet Underground appeared on! COINCIDENCE?

show was apparently the greatest tv show of all time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upbeat_(TV_series)
Headliner performers performing on "Upbeat" (partial listing)

James Brown
The Who
The Rolling Stones
Neil Diamond
B.B. King
The Miracles
Steppenwolf
The Pink Floyd
The Impressions
Bobby Sherman
Love
The Left Banke
The Monkees
Otis Redding (Appeared on December 9, 1967, the day before he died in a plane crash)
The Yardbirds
Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich
The O'Jays
The Barbarians
Blue Cheer
Jefferson Airplane
Little Anthony and the Imperials
Inez & Charlie Foxx
Lesley Gore
Frankie Valli and The Four Seasons
Jerry Lee Lewis
Paul Revere and The Raiders
The Shadows of Knight
The Music Explosion
The Fifth Estate (band)
The Velvet Underground
Jerry Butler
Jack Blanchard & Misty Morgan
Funkadelic

Wow.

For reference:
Doug Yule - Classic or Doug?:

fuck doug yule imo
what did dougie ever do to steven tyler? is this still lingering bitterness over the loaded vs. american beauty thread?
Loaded vs. American Beauty

one of these people sang Candy Says

one of these people sang "candy-o"

how hot is this btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEltz3jhelU

^ touché - I mean, that is a JAM (never heard it before)

Was thinking of posting picture of Iggy Pop and saying "this man sang Candy" but I didn't really want to look at the picture on this thread.

who's gonna drive yule home tonight?

fuck doug yule imo

― Steven Tyler the Creator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, May 13, 2011 8:51 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it must be hard 2 b doug yule :(

any excuse to post this pic
http://worldclassshitty.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/lou-reed-doug-yule-e-maureen-tucker-por-timothy-greenfield-sanders.jpg

it is impossible for lou not to look like a dick, i think

Thought that was Chevy Chase in the middle for while. Chevy says.

lookin kinda like old-lesbianish in that pic imo

chevy says
I hate everybody

re: Upbeat, I'm pretty sure that Funkadelic perf made it onto youtube awhile ago, some of the only existing live footage of the Eddie Hazel/Billy Bass/Tiki Fulwood lineup

yeahhh, saw that as i was digging around. cool yardbirds clip too. i think that the velvets footage is kind of a holy grail thing. for people who are into that stuff.

one of these guys sang on some of the best songs of the new wave era

the other one was the perfect embodiment for the sad & too-soon decline of my favorite bands of all time

Kinda wanted to bring Dusty Hill into this, but he didn't sing as often.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YADH-QSSaxk

also not dead

and still touring

RIP Doug Yule

the other one was the perfect embodiment for the sad & too-soon decline of my favorite bands of all time

― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Friday, May 13, 2011 3:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude shouldn't have kept going post-lou but you really think it was all his fault?

can't believe he had such a deleterious effect on all of Drugs A. Money's favorite bands

also lol yeah c'mon everyone knows Lou's a great team player!

i mean..like i guess the next velvets record just woulda sounded like the early lou solo shit, right? that's the direction he was going on loaded anyway...i can't imagine like it would have been some crazy ass art rock if only for doug.

dude gets a kenny jones level bad rap imo

i love yule era VU as much as cale era

blame =/= embodiment

also lol Shakey that was supposed to read "one of my etc"

nah third album is great but a step down and Loaded is lesser than that

Idk if no Yule means that Transformer and Berlin become VU albums or not

actually what i said was unfair to kenny jones, he's way better than yule, one of the great drummers of the 60s/70s

Idk if no Yule means that Transformer and Berlin become VU albums or not

― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Friday, May 13, 2011 3:40 PM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i didn't mean literally, like who knows but stylistically you could tell lou was going way more trad, loaded's practically a creedence record compared to the earlier VU stuff

hell, even cale went trad -- vintage violence and paris 1919 are total pop albums. only one who really took the VU's experimentalism to heart might've been nico, of all people.

and once again, the loaded bashing confounds me! it is one of the best rock albums ever, dawgs!

yeah that's true, that original sound was just a time/place thing and prolly couldn't really be sustained yule or no yule

and once again, the loaded bashing confounds me! it is one of the best rock albums ever, dawgs!

― tylerw, Friday, May 13, 2011 3:43 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i like loaded, i went thru a phase where i didn't but now i do again

oh I dunno Mo's "Playin Possum" album is pretty out there

xp

ha, yeah, that record is probably closer to the out there stuff the VU did than, say, sally can't dance.

btw i'm collecting for the Doug Yule Defense Fund, can u spare $10

someone should poll post-VU albums from all the members

(maybe someone already has...?)

Best Non-Lou Member of The Velvet Underground Poll

in terms of Art, you really can't fuck w/ Cale-era VU - but I've always found myself reaching for s/t or 1969 Live most often. Yule is just fine in my book. Even if I don't view him as an especially valuable voice in the band, he was serviceable as a foil for Lou (which was a role that suited them just fine at the time). It was when he started trying to leverage more say in the band that things became problematic.

(to say nothing of Squeeze, obv)

no angus maclise, no credibility

whether Doug Yule ruined the VU or not (prolley not, i didn't nec mean to say that, tho 'too soon decline' does imply a certain causality), the question remains whether he can go toe-to-toe with the man who sang on "Just What I Needed" & "Bye Bye Love"

nah

and once again, the loaded bashing confounds me! it is one of the best rock albums ever, dawgs!

― tylerw, Friday, May 13, 2011 4:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

OTM. Also, Yule's participation in the 1993 reunion would have improved those shows exponentially (read: if Yule had sung "Venus In Furs" instead of Reed).

i love yule era VU as much as cale era

I'm inclined to say I like it more, in the absence of more live documentation of the Cale era

I'm surprised people are still peddling this idea that Doug Yule ruined the Velvets, I assume they haven't heard the live stuff from 1969/70?

One would assume.

That version of "All Mixed Up" JBR posted is great.

also lol yeah c'mon everyone knows Lou's a great team player!

― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, May 13, 2011 4:32 PM (Yesterday)

I've always loved the cover of Squeeze:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c375/tmckenz/mailedD1.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pElJMcwXAYo

Are you trying to make me change my vote to Benjamin Orr, Mark?

Ha, that's the Velvet Underground.

Squeeze may not have sold a lot of records back in the day, but everyone who heard it later sold insurance or handled HR for moderately successful car dealerships.

Ha. In other VU news, there is currently an exhibit running in NYC of the art of their original drummer, Angus MacLise. Looks pretty interesting.

Don't know why I just thought this, but I remember really liking the way the lyrics were printed on the dust sleeve of that first Cars album.

Listened to that last song again. Think Doug was trying to evoke Pickwick Records-era Lou.

Man, I like Squeeze (the album). Whatever. Did Orr have a solo album?

This one. Fuck everybody...it's a really nice song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwCwGBHd61s

Did Orr have a solo album?

Sure did:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lace_(Benjamin_Orr_album)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwWTLREMpTc

OK, that last Squeeze song was pretty good.

fucking squeeze

preemptively appalled that yule will beat ben orr but the velvets are so sacrosanct that people would vote moe tucker over john bonham on this board

ruin, ruin, all is ruin

Was originally going to give a knee-jerk vote to Orr on the grounds that no one beats the guy who sang "Just What I Needed". Yule was talented, though, and I should spin some of those later Velvets recordings before deciding.

I'm not exactly sure why, but I feel like Milkwood should be a part of this thread...

And I'd never actually bothered to look for the Cap'n Swing stuff. Interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVla6rOqZuQ&feature=related

(Probably don't need to point out the Velvets influence here...)

Interrupting this thread to point out that the ZZ Top clip upthread rips completely.

Orr.

(Probably don't need to point out the Velvets influence here...)

oh there's no reference at all to this song oh wait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZY24VUpsG0

the original is still the greatest

(Probably don't need to point out the Velvets influence here...)

― dlp9001, Saturday, May 14, 2011 8:25 PM

I hear it, but I hear Roxy even more.

The Cars were one of those synthesists where you could hear all sorts of stuff at once: Velvets, Suicide, esp. Roxy Music. Just like the JAMC: Beach Boys/Ramones/Sex Pistols/girl groups/surf music.

x-post Man, that ZZ Top clip makes me think of the Minutemen.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Interrupting this thread to point out that the ZZ Top clip upthread rips completely.

― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:33 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Never saw that clip, that kills. I vote Dusty Hill.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4pDWgIlBRA

what other songs sound similar to this & are this good (besides the Cars)