Should Festivals be Banned?

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Such is the post-post-post-punk blog view, via k-punk (nuke 'em) and Marcello:

The money that's being spent on all these Pimms tents by the moneyed middles is the money which they should actually be paying in the form of taxes to subsidise the health and education systems of this country. And then they'll all troop back off in their 4WDs to bloody Twickenham and Kensal Rise and complain articulately to dumb local 'phone-ins about how All Their Hard-Earned Taxes Are Going To Waste, the real subtext being Somewhere Else, Other People Are Having More Fun Than We Are And Are Less Mediocre Than Us. We settled for what we were told was best. And we hate ourselves for it, and as compensation we're going to spoil all your fun as well. The health and education services are going to pot because YOU PEOPLE prefer to spend your money on second cars and second nannies and Pimms tents at Glastonbury, and the organisers are compelled to put on Radio 2 mediocrities to keep you happy)

Tightly argued as this is, is it a) an accurate reflection of festival goers (hint: no) and b) what kind of socialism is this exactly because I though Marx was all for 'the withering away of the state and c) is it in fact entirely possible to enjoy something without subscribing to every one of its aspects, ie okay so Macca is lame and Franz Ferdinand are shit, but perhaps one can have more FUN at Glasto than watching TV, roaching a spliff, etc... and having fun is a political act, maaaaaan...

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

BWAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!

Thanks for the first genuine laugh out loud moment of the day.

― My New Identity (kate), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, erm, second.

― My New Identity (kate), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Should festivals be banned? Absolutely not! Should festivals stay small, however.....

― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, that quote is so off the money it needs a new special scale for itself.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It just strikes me as yet more proof that Marxists Hate Fun.

― My New Identity (kate), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I fully expect Marcello to be selling his entire record collection right now and donating the proceeds to the NHS, as well as a sizeable proportion of that famous £80k salary he's taking home from self-same crumbling health service.

There was no Pimms tent at Glasto. Sigh, if only. I would have felt so happy sipping away knowing that at that moment another child is dying in Africa.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The V Festivals should, definitely.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

It's off the money to the extent that anyone claiming it is anywhere near it will surely result in Weimar Republic levels of inflation.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it *actually* a Marcello quote? Cause in that case I will refrain from further discussion of the political aspect.

I don't like festivals, I don't particularly enjoy either camping or large crowds, nor the music that they attract, but there are other more valid reasons to ban them (Glasto has to be kept at the length that it is because it is only 24 hours away from a major cholera epidemic every time it rains) than, tedious, pathetic reverse classism and banging on about socialism.

― My New Identity (kate), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

[NB: I have actually worked for the NHS, and everyone in it is a SAINT obviously, and there is NO WASTAGE whatsoever and to suggest otherwise is a TORY PLOT and the managers are ENTIRELY COMPETENT and everynight I give myself TWENTY LASHES on my BACK because I earn almost TWICE the minimum wage]

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

that's an absolutely extraordinary quote.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe we should ban Marcello. With fire.

― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Pimms. It's a drink. Get over it.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I like small, local festivals. I have never had to queue for a chemical toilet at Charlbury or Truck.

― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Less ad hominem attacks and more discussion of the quote and proposition, please. He's been quiet on ILX lately, and I don't want to jinx that, please!

― My New Identity (kate), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I really like Pimms and I earn £12k.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Wandering around Glasto, 1997 or so, I found a table/silver service restaurant tent. I told people, they thought I was halluc. but I heard mention of it and that it had started 'last year'....

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Which explains why I've not bought a bottle since university.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Marcello really earning 80K? That's outrageous! No-one should earn more than 30K. what on earth do they find to do with it all?

― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)

'BUY LOTS OF OBSCURE JAZZ REKKIDS?'

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

but glastonbury is curiously behind the times, caught in the 90s, oversubscribed?

somewhere along the line glastonbury did get caught in a groundhog day scenario?

also, i think things like festivals make better sense in some years than others, the last few years has seemed very urban, anti-rural, from grime through to electroclash, a new more non-urban scene might need to come through to make glastonbury et al feel up to date?

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't deny any of that, Gareth. Still doesn't make what Marcello said any less ridiculous.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Gareth is right in the whole urban v rural thing, although I think part of Glasto's charm is that it doesn't TRY to be up to date - look at the Reading/Leeds festivals for what happens when you hoover up all the 'now' bands and make them sign contracts saying they won't play any other UK festival.

I can't imagine grime or electroclash in a big field, really. It just wouldn't work, in the same way that the Rapture didn't seem to fit. You need a club, a warehouse, or at the very least a packed and sweaty tent for that sort of music to make sense.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)

marcello's salary is, according to a comment made on my blog estimating how many times my salary he thought he probably earned, actually closer to £400k per year!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno, I thought the Rapture worked very well in a big field. But yeah, grime and electroclash aren't outside genres in the way the early nineties dance stuff was.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

well, thats my point really, that it needs a less citycentric music scene to make glastonbury seem more current.

festivals (and outdoor raves) reached a massive highpoint in the 90s, and, perhaps understandably, theres a certain reluctance to let that go, despite the fact that the world around has changed

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

did anyone see boris johnsons comment that glastonbury was now as essential fixture on the society event list as henley

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm -- but grime has duch affinities w/ rave that I think one can overegg the urban/rural split. (Southern) England is so densely populated that I don't really think the urban/rural split obtains.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Grime's social affinities with rave are entirely those that come from its urban side (ie pirate radio culture) NOT the orbital and rave-in-a-field aspect.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

but i fucking hate festivals, find them horribly mediocre, especially glasto etc, the embodiment of received taste, targeting fund managers wanting to recapture their youth. with a couple of exceptions i'd rather watch telly. this is classic marcello polemic and waaaaaay over the top but there's a kernel of truth there.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean 'south-east england', Enrique. You want to go to Cornwall, mate.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, having spent the late eighties and very early nineties in a small Sussex village, I can assure you that there was a very noticeable rural/urban split then and I see no reason for that to have changed.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

the thing is that glastonbury really isn't about the music. i know that sounds incredibly tossy, but it's true. otherwise i'd be agreeing with all you haters.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

ricardo is spot-on. grime has nothing to do with the "communal" (always and only ever an illusion anyway) ecstasy vibe of dancing in a shitey spud field. it would fuck up your air force 1s too much for a start.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)

all these people who say glasto isn't about the music discourages me from going even more. I can go camping any old time. At a fraction of the price too.

― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

how is Glastonbury behind the times? rock music is as popular as ever and the festival's organisers reflect that in their choices. true the festival does not represent pop and urban style music and cutting edge electronic and dance music as well as other festivals but most people accept that as not strictly necessary (as they do with magazines such as NME). outside of popular music tho, Glastonbury festival's attributes are timeless and exist outside of zeitgeist/trend cycle really.

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

oh good.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)

glastonbury is for "fund managers wanting to recapture their youth"? ummm, no. lots of hippies, yes. maybe a couple of well-disguised fund managers, yes, but to generalise the festival in this way is incorrect.

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)

in any case there were a number of new dance and electronic acts there anyway from Mylo to Erol Alkan's DJ sets, plus the usual barrage of Jools-friendly jazz and roots music - and some Senegalese hip hop. Who gives a shit if there were no grime (or whatever) DJs really?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

because its stuck in 1997?

to say it is just the same and outside of zeitgeist cycle is ridiculuous, glastonbury 1985 vs glastonbury 1992?

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Hrmph, I dunno Steve. Glasto certainly *felt* more zeitgeisty in 93, but then I was still an impressionable teenager and hardcore fit the feel of Glastonbury remarkably well.

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

how the fuck is it stuck in 1997? there were a huge range of artists performing there who have emerged since 1997. who do you think the headline acts should've been?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

M Mayer and Felix in the Dance Tent would've been nice!

― Ricardo (RickyT), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Glasto was especially up-to-date with rock music this year though, but that's partly as I mentioned upthread because of other festivals signing up all the really big bands with the big money that Eavis really doesn't pay out.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

for the record, glastonbury is definitely about music - the point is that you can do other stuff there if you want to, unlike other festivals. or you could just be like the guys we camped with who just chilled out by their campsite the whole time and only really ventured out to see squarepusher. since when is being able to do/see/hear what you want 'behind the times'?

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:19 (twenty-one years ago)

As Peel said last night Glasto could have done with a "Weird Bands tent", then he played the superb: Mastodon as an example.

meanwhile Glasto had the plodding contrived singalong soft indie of Snow Patrol, and f-ing retro mods The Ordinary Boys joined by Jupit-arse on stage.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

my point re zeitgeist/trend cycles is that Glastonbury trades on an ethos supposedly developed in the late 60s that has become so fundamental wrt to pursuit of hedonism in certain divisions of society that it's effectively now a constant i.e. getting high, drunk and watching music and all kinds of other weird shit is perenially viewed by a vast number of people as a great great thing to do. something like that cannot ever be unfashionable or 'behind the times' as such.

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

well, until it is, obviously.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:21 (twenty-one years ago)

and if you're saying the music was behind the times...well we could list all the bands who performed along with the style of music they play and what year they formed if you like...

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 09:21 (twenty-one years ago)

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are you agreeing with me there? i am totally fucking lost now.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

(Is this where I wheel out the reason poppers are called poppers is after Karl Popper?)

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

do you see it works on so many levels? dave -- i am agreeing with some things you said, not with others! i know that isn't very 'ilx' but hey wtf

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(I know the discussion has moved on quite a bit, but I just read the k-punk thing and the line 'nuke 'em' type talk on it is more stupid than anything marcello- who mostly sticks with the line up and an anti-macca rant, much of which is based on his uncut interview- wrote, and the 'I'm being punk here' justification he uses is even more retarded)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

MC also said we needed a new punk in which we should all cut our hair and other wild and crazy shit. There's this band he should check out
-- The Strokes. They're a bit edgy I guess but boy is their hair neat! They'd never play no hippy festival, that's for skippy.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

the last thing the world needs is a new punk. the ver idea of punk needs to be destroyed.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

well I'm not sure whether he did, this is another line from his piece:

"8. Time for a new punk, then. Even - especially - the Grauniad said so in their editorial yesterday. One which will doubtless end up as beer-sodden and smelly a wreck as the first one."

He's in two minds about it, bcz he knows how it will all end up.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

well, i'm not saying he did, but the guardian line is worth criticising. the constant harking back to punk is massively counterproductive. the days of MASSIVE cultural shifts are pretty much over as far as i can see. now it's easier for kids to make/get music/scenes that's their own has put paid to things like that. now e'lll just have micro-scenes and niche genres and if you can't be bothered to look for exciting stuff, then you should shut up, stop moaning and content yrself with pop (which is pretty good right now) and the old stuff that meets yr needs.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Is he in two minds about expropriating the kulaks (or whatever lunatic faux-leftism his 'all leisure is exploitation' is)?

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave otm but very earnest! Massive cultural shifts happen in film, so why not music?

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

there's less need

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

there's aso probably a generation of kids 15 years younger than me saying "when are all those old cunts going to stop crapping on about acid house and hardcore?" (today is a swearing day for me, btw, in case anyone had not noticed).

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Massive cultural shifts happen in film, so why not music?

Because the enjoyment of music is fundamentally societal in nature, far more so than film? A massive cultural shift in music is also a massive shift in fashion, going out, dancing, drug use to an extent and even the sort of books and films people will take an interest in.

If anything there's MORE need for massive cultural shifts, although I think all cultural shifts are tribal and not universal, even punk/rave/psychedelia/whatever's in the pop history books these days.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

[grime prolly involves comparable number of ppl that '76-'77 punk did]

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Grime is weird because its a post-filesharing genre - Soulseek and so forth have eroded the societal side of things to an extent - the relationship between artist and audience is different now, from Ewing 'we're all dilletantes now' to Carmody 'everything is mobile, we can listen to grime in Dorset' to Petridis going on about how many grime fans are geeky bloggers etc. And I'm sure Dave has said a few words about this one as well ;)

One of the good things about festivals is that you do get that societal feeling back, like the Glasto site is some massive town-community even if everyone is into different things.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

'One of the good things about festivals is that you do get that societal feeling back'

for just the one weekend a year.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Two, for some of us ;)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

That was the point I was trying to make above. One weekend of societal feeling is nowhere near enough, but its better than nothing.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Glasto is naicer now (And that's a good thing) -- I didn't feel very societal when I got my tent slashed in '98. Which is to say, I don't think it's very rural-utopian, but an experience in itself, a crazy one mashing up of urban foodstyles and musics with Somme-core living conditions.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

what does "grime" mean? It sounds unpleasant.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

barry, its what the kids are up to these days.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course it isn't rural utopian! If you want to commune with nature go out and do it on your own or with a couple of other people and appreciate it properly rather than trampling all over it and generally making a complete mess of it that will take months to put right.

If you want to get fucked in the open air and listen to loud music and dance about though, its great.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Trampling over it along with thousands of other people, I mean.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

exactly! i think a lot of the hataz but into the idea that glasto is hippy-dippy-rural-conservative, and it isn't.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmmm, yeah i have written stuff abt grime and p2p and i agree to a point, matt. all those views are valid but don't alter my basic contention that filesharing doesn't really do anything to give a scene momentum or weight and i still think grime is v regionalist. however, so is dancehall and no one's goona tell me that i can't like that. i do recognize that it's less relevant to my life than yr average kingstonian, though. this is acrtually turning into a really good thread, btw. big up yer chests, all crew.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, I think giving people a chance to exist outside the scene is great - I like the idea that when I'm middle aged and fat and wearing a suit all day that I'll be able to hear what black teenagers in Bow are listening to, because face it by then its not a scene that will have me even if I want to be part of it.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

my local TV station, which is hilariously early-Alan Partridge, show music vids from 10pm-midnight sunday-friday ('passion tv:oxford's sexiest dance and rnb'), with scrolling txts/requests from the viewers. 'fix up look sharp' has been a fixture for almost 12 months now, practically every night; i mean it got to, what, number 26?, but there is obviously something about it that these totally non-rockist fans out in the thames valley 'countryside' (it's not very countrysidey) fix on to.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't understand this thread at all.

― the kenfox (ken c), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

massive cultural changes will not happen:

news in today:
The Red Hot Chilli Peppers hit Californication has been voted the best album of the last 10 years.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30500-13144960,00.html

= Britain a nation of mostly morons when it comes to music !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

or = the people in britain moronic enough to vote in something stupid like this are mostly morons when it comes to music

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

That's interesting though, cos it wasn't a mega-hit at the time at all.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

it's probably been on heavy rotation on Virgin !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i love heavy rotations on virgin.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Ken do you have Prince's Dirty Mind ? ;-)

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i have ken's dirty prints

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

you still haven't washed your hair since glasto?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

what a dum thread

― discus, Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)

probably one of the dumbest threads to be revived all day.

― D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:19 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

nrq ardently reading k-punk

good times

― Nedrag "Neđa" Mijatović (nakhchivan), Friday, 31 December 2010 06:31 (fifteen years ago)

five months pass...

I would argue this one should be banned. HT to Whiney:

http://www.electricforestfestival.com/lineup/artists

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 June 2011 21:45 (fifteen years ago)

Come on Ned, where else are you going to get to see Shpongle presents the Spongletron Experience, the Pimps of Joytime, and Rubblebucket all in one weekend for only $239.50?

― unmetalled world (wk), Monday, 6 June 2011 22:32 (fifteen years ago)

REO Speedwagon, you're better than this.

― tylerw, Monday, 6 June 2011 22:34 (fifteen years ago)

Some of those names are great! Two Fresh! (Are they anything like Funky See Funky Do?) The MacPodz! REO Speedwagon! (Actually the most interesting band in the line-up!)

This is a The Onion wind-up, isn't it? Isn't it??

― henry s, Monday, 6 June 2011 22:35 (fifteen years ago)

It seems not.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 01:02 (fifteen years ago)

It's almost a chore to find a not-completely-stupid name in that lineup. I was going to post more but, really, just... all of them.

― unmetalled world (wk), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 02:47 (fifteen years ago)

Trying to control the urge to punch my monitor in the hopes that the punch will translate directly to Pretty Lights guy's face.

― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 04:15 (fifteen years ago)

Ya know, I'd probably have a good time at that festival. But I'm a hippy and I'd like to see what Skrillex does. Also, I had no idea that The New Deal were still a going concern. Ticket price is WTF thought.

― everything, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 04:35 (fifteen years ago)

My local hippyfest: http://www.shambhalamusicfestival.com/2011-artists/

Actually a much, much stronger line-up despite a few similarities like Bonobo doing a DJ set, Ursulla 1000 instead of Tiesto, Doctor P and DJ Fresh as well as Skrillex.

Plus these chicks: "Bitchin'"
http://www.shambhalamusicfestival.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/29893_10150222731955457_839610456_13000234_1528084_n-280x230.jpg

― everything, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 04:50 (fifteen years ago)

Feels like Glastonbury's dance lineup has improved immeasurably since this thread was started - having a load more venues and rave tents has probably helped, so you're not stuck with Fatboy Slim + Carl Cox on Saturday night.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 10:44 (fifteen years ago)

I SMELL A SITCOM

― aka best bum of the o_O's (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 11:27 (fifteen years ago)

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